UVA fans need to relax. You had a nice run. But it’s over. You’re not neck and neck with Michigan & Berkeley. (Or even UNC, apparently.) You’re a nice, pretty, Southern public. The Ann Arbor campus is a sprawling academical CITY, and almost every ugly building houses a nationally ranked department. Quaint serpentine walls can only get you so far.

Incredible, 32 pages of chest puffing

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Anonymous wrote:People only went to Washu because it was T15. Apps are going to crater this year and next.

You're seriously think so? Is there a past example of similar drops in ranking, followed by significant drops in apps?

Honest, question. I find this whole ranking and prestige discussion fascinating.

No, and besides its a top 25 National University out of hundreds.

Anonymous wrote:People only went to Washu because it was T15. Apps are going to crater this year and next.

You're seriously think so? Is there a past example of similar drops in ranking, followed by significant drops in apps?

Honest, question. I find this whole ranking and prestige discussion fascinating.

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Anonymous wrote:It's baffling that Michigan and UNC are ranked so high compared to UVA. In Virginia, Michigan is regarded as a safety school and UVA is much better. UVA has a much lower acceptance rate and the SAT scores are much higher, this ranking is a joke.

UVA is a public ivy and Michigan is a safety for public ivy.

? according to whom?

I keep hearing that SAT scores are really meaningless and that's why so many colleges are going TO, so what does it matter that one college has higher SAT scores than the other? It's self selecting. BTW, my kid had a 1580 on their SATs.

The acceptance rate is based on the number of people applying there, correct? If more people apply to UVA only because more kids in VA go to college compared to MI, then the acceptance rate doesn't really matter much.

Michigan gets more applications than UVA but is much easier to get into as an instate student.

The get more applicants from out of state than UVA? Doesn't that mean that on a national scale, Mich is more popular than UVA?

No it means Michigan is almost two times the size of UVA at 51,225 and it takes 50% OOS, so, yes, more students nationwide are going to apply to it. UVA is 17,000 students and takes only 26% OOS and international. They are applies and organges.

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Anonymous wrote:What are you talking about?

24 < 25

Did you take any math classes in your life?

Anonymous wrote:It is noticeable that all the top publics went up in rankings except for one. Only UVA went down and out of top 25. Wonder why?

I thought UVA was at 26?

You might want to get your eyes checked. It moved up from 25 to 24.

it is currently ranked at No. 26.

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24 < 25

Did you take any math classes in your life?

Anonymous wrote:It is noticeable that all the top publics went up in rankings except for one. Only UVA went down and out of top 25. Wonder why?

I thought UVA was at 26?

You might want to get your eyes checked. It moved up from 25 to 24.

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Anonymous wrote:"These rankings don't matter" crowd sounds similar to the Test optional crowd that secretly pays $500/hr to test prep their kids to move from 1200 to 1250 .

People, the only rankings that matter is US News and this is it for 2024!

Oh give it a break! No one pays $500 an hour. This is liberal screed. You lose all credibility when you keep saying this. And in case you didn’t notice it, no one here comments on your posts about tutoring inequality because no one believes it or cares. Take it to Reddit or some Marxist publication. Btw kids can self tutor very ably and have no need of expensive tutors

You are out of touch. I happily paid over $500 an hour for test prep. It was worth every penny! My DC got a 36 and was 1 and done.

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Anonymous wrote:It's baffling that Michigan and UNC are ranked so high compared to UVA. In Virginia, Michigan is regarded as a safety school and UVA is much better. UVA has a much lower acceptance rate and the SAT scores are much higher, this ranking is a joke.

In Virginia (VA resident for 26 years), Michigan is regarded as a better school in general than UVA and UVA has a higher acceptance rate than Michigan. UVA should be ranked around 30.

I'm a college counselor. This is false. Usually, instate Virginians go to Michigan as OOS public if they can't get into the Virginia school of their choice. UVA has a lower acceptance rate at 16.3 percent compared to Michigan at 22.9 percent. UVA has been ranked at 25 for a long time (now 24) and a top public Ivy for decades. The only reason it dropped on the public list from no. 3 to 5 is due to the Pell Grant factor which USNWR seems hung up on, but the Virginia colleges can control because Pell Grants are assessed after admissions. So long as that factor remains, UVA and other economically stronger states will be lower on the public school lists. Michigan also takes in 50% OOS because it needs to drive up its stats. UVA doesn't need to do that. And, finally, Michigan's stats are not as good as UVAs. Michigan's SAT 50% is 1350-1530 and ACT is at 31-34. UVA is higher in both categories at 1390-1570 and 32-35.

And as to costs, the reasons that Virginians prefer in-state VA is because OOS Michigan is $76,295 a year and UVA is $36,316.

Anonymous wrote:High school rank as an “academic merit-signaling” variable has become meaningless over time as many/most schools no longer even calculate it. Its removal from the methodology is a good thing. SAT scores are a better calibration of incoming student quality/strength and for all top 10 schools the majority of students submitted SAT or ACT scores and the top 25 percentile numbers strongly signal high quality matriculating students. The mean scores are also very high. So, despite the grousing, USNWR DOES in fact measure incoming student body quality. Interesting to note that most of the privates with big moves in negative direction have ED2 and that is signaling something, perhaps slightly less strong academic ability.

Except the UC schools do not have test score (US News just counted their graduation rates at a higher percentage as a substitute). So they move up with both test scores and class rank (a surrogate for grades) removed as criteria.

Penn State folks I know used to consider their school much more like U of Michigan than Mich State. It’s going to be tough to maintain that optimism with PSU tied with MSU. No smiles in Happy Valley today.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the new methodology removing class rank raises a legit issue about the ranking removing too many academic-focused factors, but by the same token, the class size and alumni engagement factors were too easily gamed by a lot of private schools and artificially propped them up.

Ultimately, I think the new rankings overall are better in clarifying, “Which schools are actually worth paying $90,000 per year over our in-state flagship?” The rankings still indicate that there’s a clear difference by going to an Ivy or its other peers in the top 20-ish, but maybe people will be dissuaded from thinking that paying a lot extra for, say, Tufts or Wake Forest is going to result in materially different outcomes compared to many of the major public flagships.

I disagree, if you want small class sizes, more professors with phds, and more money spent per student, you are going to get that at Wake or Tufts over Rutgers.

If you care more about social mobility, pick Rutgers.

That’s fine if you want those things, but those are luxuries. If Rutgers is enrolling essentially the same academic caliber of students as Wake or Tufts while also providing greater social mobility and not costing $90,000 per year, then that’s honestly more valuable information to the vast majority of people (even relatively affluent people in the upper middle class). Once again, the true academic elite (Ivy League and their peers) largely didn’t go down in these rankings. The next tier of private schools were getting an artificial boost based in the luxury good items that you mentioned compared to public schools with students with just as good or better academic qualifications and often higher-ranked programs in a lot of areas like engineering and business.

But they do cost $70,000 if you aren’t in state, so then you are paying the same for bigger classes and less credentialed faculty.

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Anonymous wrote:All the ivys except Dartmouth moved up. Surprised by a few like UNC and UMich and poor WashU. Disappointed in Emory thought they would move up to 20.

UMich should be at the same ranking level as UCLA and Berkeley. It's more well rounded academically and geographically.

But it doesn't get the same star students. UCLA, , Bekerleys and UVAs stats are higher than Michigan for incoming students and applicants.

Not true at all. Check the stats for yourself

https://www.collegesimply.com/colleges/compare/university-of-california-berkeley-vs-university-of-california-los-angeles-vs-university-of-michigan-ann-arbor-vs-university-of-virginia-main-campus-vs-

They’re all comparable. You’re wrong again.

Michigan reports SAT 50% at 1350-1530. UVA reports at 1390- 1570. Michigan reports 50% ACT at 31-34. UVA at 32-35. So, yes, higher for UVA. The 75th percentil of last year's incoming class reports having a 4.53 GPA, a 35 ACT and a 1520,

High school rank as an “academic merit-signaling” variable has become meaningless over time as many/most schools no longer even calculate it. Its removal from the methodology is a good thing. SAT scores are a better calibration of incoming student quality/strength and for all top 10 schools the majority of students submitted SAT or ACT scores and the top 25 percentile numbers strongly signal high quality matriculating students. The mean scores are also very high. So, despite the grousing, USNWR DOES in fact measure incoming student body quality. Interesting to note that most of the privates with big moves in negative direction have ED2 and that is signaling something, perhaps slightly less strong academic ability.

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Anonymous wrote:A college education has the most impact for the non wealthy, so this ranking list makes more sense

So this new ranking works best for the poor - and that's fine. I'll bet that many (if not most) on DCUM don't fit that category though.

It works for more than just the "poor". Lots of middle/umc families cannot afford these crazy expensive colleges. These are the donut whole families.

The vast majority of college students are not wealthy, so again, this ranking list works for the vast majority of people in this country. DCUM crowd is not a reflection of this country.

But you can’t go for cheap to any of these top public of you don’t live in state. All of them charge as much as private schools for oos, with no merit.