Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 12:18     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:o/t - what happened to the Bonus Yonas? Where the heck is he hiding?

And I would put $$ on the fact he was all in on moving to the UK. Then went on tour with the bros/family, and they persuaded him not to move overseas.


That’s not a reason to end a marriage.

Something happened to provoke a fight that ended in him filing for divorce.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 12:17     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GMA did a segment with a lawyer this morning.

Long story short: her efforts to make this an international incident aren’t compelling. They had a fight in mid-august that prompted him to file for divorce. She alleges the international kidnapping happened just this week when he refused to turn over their passports and let the kids return to London.

Here’s the thing: if the kids were teens in school in the UK, then you could show their residence. Since they are young, life plans can change and it’s not unreasonable for him to assert that.


I can't tell what from your comment is what the legal expert said on GMA and what is you editorializing. I think the truth is somewhere between "international kidnapping incident" and "she has no case."

The kids are dual citizens, so there's no obvious argument that they must stay in the US. Joe isn't going to be able to force Sophie to stay in the US -- there is no compelling reason why the US is the better place for the children. Sophie also already has a more stable and secure set up for them ready in the UK -- a house purchase underway, her family nearby, plans for education. Her career is a complicating factor but if she continues to do UK-based TV work, that could actually be fairly minimally disruptive and allow her to be home with her kids most of the time. Where does Joe Jonas even live right now? Is his plan to continue touring? How does that work with two small kids who will be starting school soon?

Sophie is going to get 50/50 custody and the right to take the kids to the UK. There is no legal way to prevent her from doing so at this point. And she currently has a strong argument for being the custodial parent because Joe has no plan in place for where the kids will live, go to school, who will care for them while he's working, etc. He filed in Florida but doesn't even live there. His family is in LA but they are all in the entertainment industry and travel a lot.

I think his best bet would be to plan to settle in NY, get an apartment with lots of space for the kids, and hope to maximize his custodial time with the kids by being in the part of the US that is easiest to travel to and from the UK. I don't know if he wants to do that though, and he seems like kind of a jerk who doesn't like compromise, so I can also see him getting made he didn't "win" and just fading out of his kids' lives.


My post was a quick summary of what the lawyer on GMA said.

It’s doubtful an American court will order removal to the UK.

I hope the parents find a solution.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 12:14     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

o/t - what happened to the Bonus Yonas? Where the heck is he hiding?

And I would put $$ on the fact he was all in on moving to the UK. Then went on tour with the bros/family, and they persuaded him not to move overseas.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 12:14     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GMA did a segment with a lawyer this morning.

Long story short: her efforts to make this an international incident aren’t compelling. They had a fight in mid-august that prompted him to file for divorce. She alleges the international kidnapping happened just this week when he refused to turn over their passports and let the kids return to London.

Here’s the thing: if the kids were teens in school in the UK, then you could show their residence. Since they are young, life plans can change and it’s not unreasonable for him to assert that.


But if they already had a long-standing plan that the kids would return to the UK on September 20 and he did not allow that to move forward, then her next move to is to file a complaint under the Hague Conventions (to which UK and US have a bilateral treaty on parental custody).

My guess is that his lawyers advised him to keep the kids here in the US, as there was no return date to the U.S. already decided by the couple prior to the divorce filing. So it would become difficult for Jonas to force a return to the U.S. outside of an agreed upon custody arrangement.

I'm convinced his family is manipulating him behind the scenes. They already "lost" one brother to the UK via Priyanka (who is ridiculously wealthy), so they decided to fight Sophie on this as she has less resources.


The lawyer on GMA said having plans to return to the UK sorta flew out the window when they had the big fight and filed for divorce. The marriage is ending, so the plan to settle in the UK as a happy family obviously changed.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 11:46     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Although it seems they had made plans to move to the UK, no one is bound by those plans especially when a marriage breaks down. Who knows what happened that night of the big fight but it let to the end of their marriage. Of course that changes things for all of them compaired to their previous intentions.

They hadn't actually established residency yet in the UK so unlikely that intended plans will carry much sway. They spent a couple months there in late spring with her family and then the kids went on tour with Joe while Sophie filmed her show.

And they have a Sept 6th court order that the children aren't to be moved pending the next legal proceedings. She can't take them out of the country right now.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 10:37     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GMA did a segment with a lawyer this morning.

Long story short: her efforts to make this an international incident aren’t compelling. They had a fight in mid-august that prompted him to file for divorce. She alleges the international kidnapping happened just this week when he refused to turn over their passports and let the kids return to London.

Here’s the thing: if the kids were teens in school in the UK, then you could show their residence. Since they are young, life plans can change and it’s not unreasonable for him to assert that.


But if they already had a long-standing plan that the kids would return to the UK on September 20 and he did not allow that to move forward, then her next move to is to file a complaint under the Hague Conventions (to which UK and US have a bilateral treaty on parental custody).

My guess is that his lawyers advised him to keep the kids here in the US, as there was no return date to the U.S. already decided by the couple prior to the divorce filing. So it would become difficult for Jonas to force a return to the U.S. outside of an agreed upon custody arrangement.

I'm convinced his family is manipulating him behind the scenes. They already "lost" one brother to the UK via Priyanka (who is ridiculously wealthy), so they decided to fight Sophie on this as she has less resources.


What are you talking about? Nick and Priyanka live in LA.


They have a London home and spend a not-insignificant amount of time there:
https://www.architecturaldigest.in/story/10-photos-and-videos-of-priyanka-chopra-jonas-decadent-london-home/

Where are the Jonas grandparents located?


I think that was a rental they lived in while she filmed Citadel and spent part of Covid lockdown. I don't think they own it or still are in it. They have a 20m mansion in Encino that I think is their main home, and then I believe own an apartment at the Four Season in New York, plus I think Priyanka still owns multiple homes in Mumbai. I do not believe they live in London at all at the moment, and none of her family is there.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 10:31     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:GMA did a segment with a lawyer this morning.

Long story short: her efforts to make this an international incident aren’t compelling. They had a fight in mid-august that prompted him to file for divorce. She alleges the international kidnapping happened just this week when he refused to turn over their passports and let the kids return to London.

Here’s the thing: if the kids were teens in school in the UK, then you could show their residence. Since they are young, life plans can change and it’s not unreasonable for him to assert that.


I can't tell what from your comment is what the legal expert said on GMA and what is you editorializing. I think the truth is somewhere between "international kidnapping incident" and "she has no case."

The kids are dual citizens, so there's no obvious argument that they must stay in the US. Joe isn't going to be able to force Sophie to stay in the US -- there is no compelling reason why the US is the better place for the children. Sophie also already has a more stable and secure set up for them ready in the UK -- a house purchase underway, her family nearby, plans for education. Her career is a complicating factor but if she continues to do UK-based TV work, that could actually be fairly minimally disruptive and allow her to be home with her kids most of the time. Where does Joe Jonas even live right now? Is his plan to continue touring? How does that work with two small kids who will be starting school soon?

Sophie is going to get 50/50 custody and the right to take the kids to the UK. There is no legal way to prevent her from doing so at this point. And she currently has a strong argument for being the custodial parent because Joe has no plan in place for where the kids will live, go to school, who will care for them while he's working, etc. He filed in Florida but doesn't even live there. His family is in LA but they are all in the entertainment industry and travel a lot.

I think his best bet would be to plan to settle in NY, get an apartment with lots of space for the kids, and hope to maximize his custodial time with the kids by being in the part of the US that is easiest to travel to and from the UK. I don't know if he wants to do that though, and he seems like kind of a jerk who doesn't like compromise, so I can also see him getting made he didn't "win" and just fading out of his kids' lives.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 10:25     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GMA did a segment with a lawyer this morning.

Long story short: her efforts to make this an international incident aren’t compelling. They had a fight in mid-august that prompted him to file for divorce. She alleges the international kidnapping happened just this week when he refused to turn over their passports and let the kids return to London.

Here’s the thing: if the kids were teens in school in the UK, then you could show their residence. Since they are young, life plans can change and it’s not unreasonable for him to assert that.


But if they already had a long-standing plan that the kids would return to the UK on September 20 and he did not allow that to move forward, then her next move to is to file a complaint under the Hague Conventions (to which UK and US have a bilateral treaty on parental custody).

My guess is that his lawyers advised him to keep the kids here in the US, as there was no return date to the U.S. already decided by the couple prior to the divorce filing. So it would become difficult for Jonas to force a return to the U.S. outside of an agreed upon custody arrangement.

I'm convinced his family is manipulating him behind the scenes. They already "lost" one brother to the UK via Priyanka (who is ridiculously wealthy), so they decided to fight Sophie on this as she has less resources.


What are you talking about? Nick and Priyanka live in LA.


They have a London home and spend a not-insignificant amount of time there:
https://www.architecturaldigest.in/story/10-photos-and-videos-of-priyanka-chopra-jonas-decadent-london-home/

Where are the Jonas grandparents located?
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 10:11     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:GMA did a segment with a lawyer this morning.

Long story short: her efforts to make this an international incident aren’t compelling. They had a fight in mid-august that prompted him to file for divorce. She alleges the international kidnapping happened just this week when he refused to turn over their passports and let the kids return to London.

Here’s the thing: if the kids were teens in school in the UK, then you could show their residence. Since they are young, life plans can change and it’s not unreasonable for him to assert that.


No. They agreed to make a permanent home in England. He was to keep the kids on his tour while she finished up filming and then return to England. He has now filed for divorce and refusing to bring the kids back to England and keeping their passports. He is being a douche and using the kids as pawns.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 09:56     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GMA did a segment with a lawyer this morning.

Long story short: her efforts to make this an international incident aren’t compelling. They had a fight in mid-august that prompted him to file for divorce. She alleges the international kidnapping happened just this week when he refused to turn over their passports and let the kids return to London.

Here’s the thing: if the kids were teens in school in the UK, then you could show their residence. Since they are young, life plans can change and it’s not unreasonable for him to assert that.


But if they already had a long-standing plan that the kids would return to the UK on September 20 and he did not allow that to move forward, then her next move to is to file a complaint under the Hague Conventions (to which UK and US have a bilateral treaty on parental custody).

My guess is that his lawyers advised him to keep the kids here in the US, as there was no return date to the U.S. already decided by the couple prior to the divorce filing. So it would become difficult for Jonas to force a return to the U.S. outside of an agreed upon custody arrangement.

I'm convinced his family is manipulating him behind the scenes. They already "lost" one brother to the UK via Priyanka (who is ridiculously wealthy), so they decided to fight Sophie on this as she has less resources.


Huh…what are you talking about?
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 09:52     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:GMA did a segment with a lawyer this morning.

Long story short: her efforts to make this an international incident aren’t compelling. They had a fight in mid-august that prompted him to file for divorce. She alleges the international kidnapping happened just this week when he refused to turn over their passports and let the kids return to London.

Here’s the thing: if the kids were teens in school in the UK, then you could show their residence. Since they are young, life plans can change and it’s not unreasonable for him to assert that.


But if they already had a long-standing plan that the kids would return to the UK on September 20 and he did not allow that to move forward, then her next move to is to file a complaint under the Hague Conventions (to which UK and US have a bilateral treaty on parental custody).

My guess is that his lawyers advised him to keep the kids here in the US, as there was no return date to the U.S. already decided by the couple prior to the divorce filing. So it would become difficult for Jonas to force a return to the U.S. outside of an agreed upon custody arrangement.

I'm convinced his family is manipulating him behind the scenes. They already "lost" one brother to the UK via Priyanka (who is ridiculously wealthy), so they decided to fight Sophie on this as she has less resources.


What are you talking about? Nick and Priyanka live in LA.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 09:44     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:GMA did a segment with a lawyer this morning.

Long story short: her efforts to make this an international incident aren’t compelling. They had a fight in mid-august that prompted him to file for divorce. She alleges the international kidnapping happened just this week when he refused to turn over their passports and let the kids return to London.

Here’s the thing: if the kids were teens in school in the UK, then you could show their residence. Since they are young, life plans can change and it’s not unreasonable for him to assert that.


But if they already had a long-standing plan that the kids would return to the UK on September 20 and he did not allow that to move forward, then her next move to is to file a complaint under the Hague Conventions (to which UK and US have a bilateral treaty on parental custody).

My guess is that his lawyers advised him to keep the kids here in the US, as there was no return date to the U.S. already decided by the couple prior to the divorce filing. So it would become difficult for Jonas to force a return to the U.S. outside of an agreed upon custody arrangement.

I'm convinced his family is manipulating him behind the scenes. They already "lost" one brother to the UK via Priyanka (who is ridiculously wealthy), so they decided to fight Sophie on this as she has less resources.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 07:51     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

I had a feeling we were going to find this all out. When news broke they kept airing all these old interviews where she was talking about how they were moving to the UK once they had kids. It all makes sense now. He changed his mind after agreeing to it, and rather than be an adult and discuss it with her and come to some sort of agreement he takes the kids and ambushes her with a divorce so that he can keep the kids in the US. Nice. What a horrible person.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 07:51     Subject: Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

GMA did a segment with a lawyer this morning.

Long story short: her efforts to make this an international incident aren’t compelling. They had a fight in mid-august that prompted him to file for divorce. She alleges the international kidnapping happened just this week when he refused to turn over their passports and let the kids return to London.

Here’s the thing: if the kids were teens in school in the UK, then you could show their residence. Since they are young, life plans can change and it’s not unreasonable for him to assert that.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2023 07:23     Subject: Re:Sophie Turner and Joe Jonas headed to divorce

Anonymous wrote:Did y’all catch who Sophie was hanging out with in NYC recently?



I’d love to have heard that dinner conversation lol!


They’ve hung out together in the past? If not, it's a bit immature and gimmicky.