Anonymous wrote:Any bets on how Putin tries to kill Prigozhin for the first attempt?

Tries? Prigozhin has asylum in a puppet state, it's like someone fleeing to Guam to escape US justice. I'm thinking window because it makes a point and everyone will know what happened or they just arrest him and have a show trial.

Any bets on how Putin tries to kill Prigozhin for the first attempt?

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people keep calling it a coup when it was anything but. It was completely pro-Putin.

Almost every revolution is initially premised on removing the leader's evil advisors

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alena Lapshyna "Hello, this is live news on Channel One. Measures are being taken in different regions in connection with the events of last night. The attempted mutiny, the criminal scheme that Yevgeny Prigozhin tried to organize. The counter-terrorist operation mode was introduced in the capital, the Moscow and Voronezh regions. Mayor Sergei Sobyanin addressed the Muscovites."
Dmitry Shchugorev: "Meanwhile, earlier today the president made a statement after the attempted armed mutiny, "Russia is fighting an uphill battle for its future, for the lives and security of our people for our sovereignty and independence," Vladimir Putin said.
https://www.news.com.au/world/this-is-how-russian-tv-covered-wagners-advance/video/6e207b1e4d33dcb4332b221aa8ee73fc

Anyone on this thread ever hear Putin say something like this before?

The War in Ukraine might be over by xmas.

Russia is committing fewer resources to this conflict than the us did in Korea

So until they are getting beaten while fully mobilizing, this thing is gonna drag for years

Putin is trying to lay the foundation for the public to accept that level of war-footing

Russia doesn't have the resources to commit in the first place . The 72 hr special operation has turned into an almost two year debacle .

No, they haven’t been running a “war economy”

Russia does not need a civil war. Any “revolution” will just produce another corrupt, evil leadership.

Russia is like stage 2 cancer for the world. We just need to keep them confined to their corner of the world.

We do not have the balls to eliminate it, so limiting their terrible virus is all we can do.

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people keep calling it a coup when it was anything but. It was completely pro-Putin.

They want to believe 😆

I don't understand why you people keep calling it a coup when it was anything but. It was completely pro-Putin.

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Anonymous wrote:So if the Wagner soldiers were being used like ground meat to buffer the regular Russian military, does this mean the Russian regulars will now take their place on the front lines?

The Russian regulars are conscripts from the ethnic hinterlands with barely any training. At least Wagner had battle-hardened operators and criminals accustomed to violence.

Officially they don’t send conscripts to the frontline. Unofficially it does happen I think, but there is a large number of contracted troops (they are the majority). Not private army but the ones who signed a contract as opposed to have been drafted. Can’t speak to their level of training.

When I lived in Russia, people would often start answers to questions with the predicate "In principal...." It was an indication of what was supposed to happen, but which never actually did happen. I'd follow up -- "And in actual fact?" From what I've been reading, the rule against sending conscripts to the front is totally bogus. They make the conscripts sign contacts to get around t, or they send them to the annexed parts of Ukraine (basically all the places that fighting is now happening) which doesn't count as foreign deployment because of the fake annexation, or they just ignore it totally. They are, for all intents and purposes, conscripts. Some of them are hardened criminals though, because I don't think Wagner was the only one giving criminals a get out of jail for not-really-free card.

Anonymous wrote:I am really confus3d here. Is Putin actually under stress or is this a ploy to get direct control of .ore soldiers?

A little from column a and b.

It sounds to me like the conflict between Wagner and the military has reached the boiling point, and typical of Russia they seized the assets of the business from the hands of the wayward oligarch like they did with Yukos.

OTOH Wagner seems to be impressing the public, and the army is not. So that and the fact that Putin had to flee the coop in the face of troops headed to Moscow damages the aura of invincibility. When it was happening I thought maybe it was part of a coup, but nobody in the military or among the oligarchs stepped forward to join it.

I think for Ukraine the biggest thing is whether the situation has effectively pulled these mercenaries out of the conflict. If that happens or even if they are temporarily thrown into confusion, then it helps them. Seizing people is not as easy as seizing an oil field, but they may just want the money and Russia may be willing to keep paying. And maybe saying no means jail or worse.

Anonymous wrote:Alena Lapshyna "Hello, this is live news on Channel One. Measures are being taken in different regions in connection with the events of last night. The attempted mutiny, the criminal scheme that Yevgeny Prigozhin tried to organize. The counter-terrorist operation mode was introduced in the capital, the Moscow and Voronezh regions. Mayor Sergei Sobyanin addressed the Muscovites."
Dmitry Shchugorev: "Meanwhile, earlier today the president made a statement after the attempted armed mutiny, "Russia is fighting an uphill battle for its future, for the lives and security of our people for our sovereignty and independence," Vladimir Putin said.
https://www.news.com.au/world/this-is-how-russian-tv-covered-wagners-advance/video/6e207b1e4d33dcb4332b221aa8ee73fc

Anyone on this thread ever hear Putin say something like this before?

The War in Ukraine might be over by xmas.

Ugh... Enough with this asinine crap about "the lives and security and sovereignty and independence of Russia" - I feel like blasting an air horn every time I hear some Russian say that utter and complete nonsense.

BULL SHIT. All Russia needs to do to have all of that is to pull its invading troops out of Ukraine.

That's it. Nothing else.

Do that, and the war ends, no more Russian troops lost in meat grinder battle trenches, Russia's sovereignty and independence fully intact.

I am really confus3d here. Is Putin actually under stress or is this a ploy to get direct control of .ore soldiers?

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Russian agents’ threat to family made Prigozhin call off Moscow advance

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fworld-news%2F2023%2F06%2F25%2Fyevgeny-prigozhin-moscow-advance-putin-threat-wagner-family%2F



Putin didn’t even have to fire a shot. Now he will assimilate Wagner soldiers and Prigozhin is in mortal danger. Gotta admit that was a checkmate move.

What a confident propaganda bot. Or at least one set to bootlicking mode.

Anonymous wrote:Alena Lapshyna "Hello, this is live news on Channel One. Measures are being taken in different regions in connection with the events of last night. The attempted mutiny, the criminal scheme that Yevgeny Prigozhin tried to organize. The counter-terrorist operation mode was introduced in the capital, the Moscow and Voronezh regions. Mayor Sergei Sobyanin addressed the Muscovites."
Dmitry Shchugorev: "Meanwhile, earlier today the president made a statement after the attempted armed mutiny, "Russia is fighting an uphill battle for its future, for the lives and security of our people for our sovereignty and independence," Vladimir Putin said.
https://www.news.com.au/world/this-is-how-russian-tv-covered-wagners-advance/video/6e207b1e4d33dcb4332b221aa8ee73fc

Anyone on this thread ever hear Putin say something like this before?

The War in Ukraine might be over by xmas.

Beginning of the break up of the Russian Federation.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alena Lapshyna "Hello, this is live news on Channel One. Measures are being taken in different regions in connection with the events of last night. The attempted mutiny, the criminal scheme that Yevgeny Prigozhin tried to organize. The counter-terrorist operation mode was introduced in the capital, the Moscow and Voronezh regions. Mayor Sergei Sobyanin addressed the Muscovites."
Dmitry Shchugorev: "Meanwhile, earlier today the president made a statement after the attempted armed mutiny, "Russia is fighting an uphill battle for its future, for the lives and security of our people for our sovereignty and independence," Vladimir Putin said.
https://www.news.com.au/world/this-is-how-russian-tv-covered-wagners-advance/video/6e207b1e4d33dcb4332b221aa8ee73fc

Anyone on this thread ever hear Putin say something like this before?

The War in Ukraine might be over by xmas.

Russia is committing fewer resources to this conflict than the us did in Korea

So until they are getting beaten while fully mobilizing, this thing is gonna drag for years

Putin is trying to lay the foundation for the public to accept that level of war-footing

Russia doesn't have the resources to commit in the first place . The 72 hr special operation has turned into an almost two year debacle .

Anonymous wrote:Alena Lapshyna "Hello, this is live news on Channel One. Measures are being taken in different regions in connection with the events of last night. The attempted mutiny, the criminal scheme that Yevgeny Prigozhin tried to organize. The counter-terrorist operation mode was introduced in the capital, the Moscow and Voronezh regions. Mayor Sergei Sobyanin addressed the Muscovites."
Dmitry Shchugorev: "Meanwhile, earlier today the president made a statement after the attempted armed mutiny, "Russia is fighting an uphill battle for its future, for the lives and security of our people for our sovereignty and independence," Vladimir Putin said.
https://www.news.com.au/world/this-is-how-russian-tv-covered-wagners-advance/video/6e207b1e4d33dcb4332b221aa8ee73fc

Anyone on this thread ever hear Putin say something like this before?

The War in Ukraine might be over by xmas.

Russia is committing fewer resources to this conflict than the us did in Korea

So until they are getting beaten while fully mobilizing, this thing is gonna drag for years

Putin is trying to lay the foundation for the public to accept that level of war-footing