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Anonymous wrote:I think she was able to hide the behavior in general but if it’s true the kids are the with the dad and he has primary custody he must have had some reason even if they were suspicions or things he saw or the girls said that made him think twice even if he was not able to admit the truth.

She may have been doing various deviant things all a long but if the incidents always appeared to be one offs and they were explained away then no one was putting together a pattern.

If the behavior started suddenly or it escalated quickly, it’s possible that she suffered a traumatic brain injury from an injury that from the outside looked innocuous. TBI can alter people’s behavior or escalate already occurring behaviors. Not an excuse but an explanation. It doesn’t relieve her of any responsibility and she is still fully to blame for her actions.

It’s hard to get an adult medical care against their wishes. The family only so much power. Her crime is so horrific that even if her parents suspected I think they quickly shut it down bc they couldn’t handle even the thought of their own child being such a monster. Think about - as parents the idea is so terrible that most people would shut down at the suggestion.

There needs to be far more coverage locally so that possible victims can be identified and so they can receive help. Her rich family can start proving compensation to her victims.

This was not due to a TBI. There has been hypersexuality and deviant behavior for decades. Sites like FetLife and contact with others probably amplified her deviant urges but did not create them. Clues to that may lie in her past and her own childhood.

For those who know the family, what is the mother like? On an online quiz site, Eleanor described her rx with her parents as "overwhelming." It was linked earlier.


Agree that there needs to be more local coverage and victims encouraged to come forward.

Anonymous wrote:I think she was able to hide the behavior in general but if it’s true the kids are the with the dad and he has primary custody he must have had some reason even if they were suspicions or things he saw or the girls said that made him think twice even if he was not able to admit the truth.

She may have been doing various deviant things all a long but if the incidents always appeared to be one offs and they were explained away then no one was putting together a pattern.

If the behavior started suddenly or it escalated quickly, it’s possible that she suffered a traumatic brain injury from an injury that from the outside looked innocuous. TBI can alter people’s behavior or escalate already occurring behaviors. Not an excuse but an explanation. It doesn’t relieve her of any responsibility and she is still fully to blame for her actions.

It’s hard to get an adult medical care against their wishes. The family only so much power. Her crime is so horrific that even if her parents suspected I think they quickly shut it down bc they couldn’t handle even the thought of their own child being such a monster. Think about - as parents the idea is so terrible that most people would shut down at the suggestion.

There needs to be far more coverage locally so that possible victims can be identified and so they can receive help. Her rich family can start proving compensation to her victims.

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After many, many years of hardship

I'm sorry, are we to cue the world's smallest violin for the wealthy family with who knows what skeletons and a freak monstrous relative rather than, you know, CHILDREN SHE HAS HARMED?

Having a mentally ill adult relative is indeed a difficult position, esp if trying to shield children, but tweak your approach.

People have rights. They couldn't lock her in a tower. It sucks but these people have to attempt to commit a crime AND be caught before they can be put away.

"People have rights" should not mean we allow mentally disturbed individuals to freely access innocent victims.

Then you need to change the law. You cannot commit someone based on suspicion. It would be great if we could lock everyone away who is mentallybill who we all suspect will take it too far, but we can’t do that. It’s also against the law.

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know her but a few thoughts in response to certain issues raised:

— the 2019 charge. Prosecutors almost never prosecute those kind of misdemeanor charges, regardless of family connections. They are usually put on the nolle or stet docket and they get dismissed if there is no further offense within a year. So I doubt any strings were pulled.

— on why the feds don’t shut down those sites. I heard a talk from an FBI agent saying that years ago they did shut down the main site used by child molesters and then concluded that had been a mistake as it just pushed them to lots of other sites. They’d rather know where they are so they can track them.

Also, I somewhat want to believe the PP’s saying that she had well known psychiatric problems especially over the past five years. If it was obvious that she was spiraling out, that suggests to me it is much less likely that she was hosting play dates or anything like that in recent years. It’s much more horrifying to think that she was able to act like any other suburban mom that you would trust to watch your kids. I want to believe that anyone’s internal alarm bells would have been triggered by this woman.

Once they go through her computers thoroughly, they may be able to trace back to any other victims. And her lawyer may be able to get her to trade that for a slightly reduced sentence. But she’ll obviously be on the predator watch list forever.

Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility of this: while the family helped get rid of the public park sex charge...if they later discovered child porn, they tipped off investigators?

I'm asking because I could see that as a parent of a mentally impaired adult child, trying to get her off from the former charges which are crazy but consentual, as I tried to get ahold of my adult child's behavior thru counseling etc. But the second I discovered behavior that damages others esp. children, I'd call the police because I'd realize that I can't control it and someone has to, right away.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

After many, many years of hardship

I'm sorry, are we to cue the world's smallest violin for the wealthy family with who knows what skeletons and a freak monstrous relative rather than, you know, CHILDREN SHE HAS HARMED?

Having a mentally ill adult relative is indeed a difficult position, esp if trying to shield children, but tweak your approach.

People have rights. They couldn't lock her in a tower. It sucks but these people have to attempt to commit a crime AND be caught before they can be put away.

You Friends of the Family keep acting like it's a given that she has never attempted a crime before. Forget the sex in the park incident and the fact that family help ENABLED her freedom. She was in possession of child pornography. She did attempted and did commit these crimes, these AT THE VERY LEAST. One can't help wonder if she committed more.

How great a family's responsibility to protect the public from a mentally ill person is may be a debatable question. But it doesn't seem like they tried at all. If they did, then I think a lot of us will rethink our position. How can people not judge them harshly?

Right, the language Eleanor used when communicating with the undercover FBI agent indicates that she was recreating a previous ritual that she experienced. This wasn't her first rodeo. She's 45 years old and didn't suddenly morph into the creature depicted in this last incident.

Anonymous wrote:Is there any possibility of this: while the family helped get rid of the public park sex charge...if they later discovered child porn, they tipped off investigators?

I'm asking because I could see that as a parent of a mentally impaired adult child, trying to get her off from the former charges which are crazy but consentual, as I tried to get ahold of my adult child's behavior thru counseling etc. But the second I discovered behavior that damages others esp. children, I'd call the police because I'd realize that I can't control it and someone has to, right away.

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Anonymous wrote:OP

I don’t know any of the actors or schools you mentioned (apart from UVA) but this story is horrifying. It is hard to believe that any mother could do these despicable things to children.

I hope her own children never suffered any of these abuses.

It is just difficult to comprehend this vile behavior.

The only good that could come out of it (apart from her being removed from society) woukd be that she helps police or federal agents to take down some child porn networks.

What a nightmare that people like this exist.

Her children were removed a while ago from her care. I don’t think she will be much help since she’s basically insane. Her family is actually relieved she is now locked up. She had to do something and get caught for her to be put behind bars.

You people really don’t understand this case at all.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

After many, many years of hardship

I'm sorry, are we to cue the world's smallest violin for the wealthy family with who knows what skeletons and a freak monstrous relative rather than, you know, CHILDREN SHE HAS HARMED?

Having a mentally ill adult relative is indeed a difficult position, esp if trying to shield children, but tweak your approach.

People have rights. They couldn't lock her in a tower. It sucks but these people have to attempt to commit a crime AND be caught before they can be put away.

You Friends of the Family keep acting like it's a given that she has never attempted a crime before. Forget the sex in the park incident and the fact that family help ENABLED her freedom. She was in possession of child pornography. She did attempted and did commit these crimes, these AT THE VERY LEAST. One can't help wonder if she committed more.

How great a family's responsibility to protect the public from a mentally ill person is may be a debatable question. But it doesn't seem like they tried at all. If they did, then I think a lot of us will rethink our position. How can people not judge them harshly?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

After many, many years of hardship

I'm sorry, are we to cue the world's smallest violin for the wealthy family with who knows what skeletons and a freak monstrous relative rather than, you know, CHILDREN SHE HAS HARMED?

Having a mentally ill adult relative is indeed a difficult position, esp if trying to shield children, but tweak your approach.

People have rights. They couldn't lock her in a tower. It sucks but these people have to attempt to commit a crime AND be caught before they can be put away.

You Friends of the Family keep acting like it's a given that she has never attempted a crime before. Forget the sex in the park incident and the fact that family help ENABLED her freedom. She was in possession of child pornography. She did attempted and did commit these crimes, these AT THE VERY LEAST. One can't help wonder if she committed more.

How great a family's responsibility to protect the public from a mentally ill person is may be a debatable question. But it doesn't seem like they tried at all. If they did, then I think a lot of us will rethink our position. How can people not judge them harshly?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

After many, many years of hardship

I'm sorry, are we to cue the world's smallest violin for the wealthy family with who knows what skeletons and a freak monstrous relative rather than, you know, CHILDREN SHE HAS HARMED?

Having a mentally ill adult relative is indeed a difficult position, esp if trying to shield children, but tweak your approach.

People have rights. They couldn't lock her in a tower. It sucks but these people have to attempt to commit a crime AND be caught before they can be put away.