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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

What causes obesity?

Anonymous wrote:I know someone who tried it and could not take it for more than a week. The side effects were so awful.

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Many of us here have literally lost weight through diet and exercise. Yes, it’s anecdotal, but we’ve experienced it so it’s frustrating to see people claim it doesn’t work (and I admit it obviously doesn’t work for everyone).

I mean I have too, but only 20 pounds and I’ve never been obese. Seems like a totally different ball game. And it doesn’t really matter what you or I have done when on a population level everyone is getting fatter. There’s no denying that, so diet and exercise doesn’t work. If it did we wouldn’t be getting fatter every year.

Anonymous wrote:I’m down 23 lbs on Ozempic. Not only have I lost weight but I have absolutely no desire to drink. Wine tastes terrible. My BP is down and I may start going off some of my cardiac meds. I still eat healthy, always did. My workouts keep getting better. And no wine hangover.

Not only am I healthier, I am also happier.

I was very fortunate to get it. I hope it is approved for weight loss and is more accessible to more people.

Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

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Anonymous wrote:I loooove Ozempic. Down 60 pounds. Eat whatever I want. It’s truly a miracle.

Nothing is a miracle.

Tons of medications are, in fact, miraculous.

So far diet pills seem to be more or less a bust. Remember when they were pushing Phen Fen? Maybe this one is different?

Do we know if there are any long term risks with this drug?

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Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

Many of us here have literally lost weight through diet and exercise. Yes, it’s anecdotal, but we’ve experienced it so it’s frustrating to see people claim it doesn’t work (and I admit it obviously doesn’t work for everyone).

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Anonymous wrote:I loooove Ozempic. Down 60 pounds. Eat whatever I want. It’s truly a miracle.

Nothing is a miracle.

Tons of medications are, in fact, miraculous.

Anonymous wrote:No. I’ve been a personal trainer for 30 years. Masters in Exercise Physiology. No drug will ever work. No fad diet will ever work. No shiny new exercise program will ever work. Healthy, strong bodies are built through hard work and discipline. People may lose for a few months or even years. But it always comes back. Changing your body requires a complete lifestyle change. Few people are willing to put in the effort.

Anonymous wrote:NP with no skin in the game who hasn’t thought much about this. I’ve read every page and I have to admit no one has provided any evidence that diet and exercise is an effective weight loss strategy. Your smokingest guns are “I know people who have lost weight” and “Look at Jennifer Hudson”

I’m more inclined to believe the “diet and exercise isn’t helping us be less fat” as they seem to have at least some science on their side…and it is true that public health messaging has been pushing diet and exercise for like 40 years and obesity is just getting worse. It makes sense to move away from that and try something else.

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

Yep. It’s weird.

Aren’t you the ones relying on People magazine for your science in this thread? Are you the personal trainer who is thirty years out of date?

It is the pro-drug people in the thread who have provided literally all hard scientific evidence cited in this thread. In one corner you have Nature, in the other you have People. That’s like putting Logan Paul in the ring against Muhammad Ali: you are such a joke, you can’t be taken seriously.

Do you understand that People magazine is not, in fact, a respected science journal?

Oh honey, I can see why you're upset. The study you cited doesn't say what you think it says. It doesn't disprove what people have been telling you ad nauseam about diet, calories, exercise, etc.

DP, but, what about what you're being told about obesity, hormones, hunger cues, etc.? No scientist in the field would say it's simple, and that's what your post boils down to. "It's so simple!" No knowledgeable expert in the field agrees with that.

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Anonymous wrote:I loooove Ozempic. Down 60 pounds. Eat whatever I want. It’s truly a miracle.

Nothing is a miracle.

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Anonymous wrote:You know our society is messed up when people popping pills to lose weight are accusing those talking about healthy eating habits of being mentally ill. They are talking like they are actually psychologists. For some reason they are unable to separate a general discussion about obesity with their personal situation.

+1. And they are very rude, nasty and angry. Is that a side effect of the meds?

The only people I see being rude, nasty, and angry on this thread are the posters enraged that obese people may have a treatment for obesity that finally works. I think people like you have developed a serious victim complex and may have their own mental health struggles to address, but that doesn’t excuse the rudeness you’ve shown.

FWIW I’m in good shape and not obese.

That's some serious projection right there. You have several overweight posters literally doing nothing except calling people names. You are the one who wants to be a victim. Whenever someone talks about diet or exercise at all, they are accused of fat shaming.

I suppose you would see it that way. You can’t shake your reality; it hurts your perception of the world too much.

I genuinely wish you peace and healing. I am sorry you have to go through the world the way you do. It must be hard.

Maybe that's because many of the posters here are actually talking about reality, and that is something that you are unwilling to accept. We know what causes obesity, and it's well established. Despite claiming to be pro-science, you haven't shown a single study that disproves any of these posters. Kind of funny to read your posts that you think are so witty. They range from psychobabble to name calling, with a little bit of pseudo science mixed in. Too funny!

Yep. It’s weird.

Aren’t you the ones relying on People magazine for your science in this thread? Are you the personal trainer who is thirty years out of date?

It is the pro-drug people in the thread who have provided literally all hard scientific evidence cited in this thread. In one corner you have Nature, in the other you have People. That’s like putting Logan Paul in the ring against Muhammad Ali: you are such a joke, you can’t be taken seriously.

Do you understand that People magazine is not, in fact, a respected science journal?