Truly, no “rationale” cons have anything to say on this matter? Nothing about the fact that their side is using the exact same tactics and wording that they were using over a hundred years ago? Just quietly aiding and abetting fascism’s rise? You think you’ll like it, that your side will finally get things right in this country? You’re going to hate it. You’re going to choke on it.

He has a good thread on the difficulties of voter ID as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

OP, please read this whole twitter thread. It has ALL of the answers you are looking for.

Thanks for the above Twitter link. So very informative. I am following Michael Harriot now. I did not realize that CJ Roberts was instrumental in laying the foundation for the voting rights rollback. Disgusting, how so many Americans do not understand the systematic destruction of rights for POCs. How can we be the land of the free when so many of us do not enjoy the same freedom?

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Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

OP, please read this whole twitter thread. It has ALL of the answers you are looking for.

OP?! Other “rationale” conservatives? Where did you go? What do you say? But please only say it after you read this thread.

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

OP, please read this whole twitter thread. It has ALL of the answers you are looking for.

I am the PP. I said "why shouldn't Dems gerrymander CA"

I didn't say Dems are gerrymandering CA.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems gerrymander, too. The problem is that no one really knows how to fix it---and, if you think this bill would fix it, you are sadly mistaken. There will always be a way around it unless they set up a grid. And, remember, they also have to ensure that some districts in some states are primarily minority.

There are several mostly blue states that have commissions. That is how you fix it. Take politics out of drawing cohesive lines.

Why should the Dems not gerrymander in MD and CA when the GOP does it to greater extremes in 23 other states?

WTF kind of false information is always on those GD message board. There is no gerrymandering in CA. They had a non-partisan board draw districts. Just like every state should do. That’s right - the biggest and most important state in this country - which also happens to be dem controlled did it right.

F*ing done w/ the lies all over this place.

Report false posts; Jeff removes.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems gerrymander, too. The problem is that no one really knows how to fix it---and, if you think this bill would fix it, you are sadly mistaken. There will always be a way around it unless they set up a grid. And, remember, they also have to ensure that some districts in some states are primarily minority.

There are several mostly blue states that have commissions. That is how you fix it. Take politics out of drawing cohesive lines.

Why should the Dems not gerrymander in MD and CA when the GOP does it to greater extremes in 23 other states?

WTF kind of false information is always on those GD message board. There is no gerrymandering in CA. They had a non-partisan board draw districts. Just like every state should do. That’s right - the biggest and most important state in this country - which also happens to be dem controlled did it right.

F*ing done w/ the lies all over this place.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems gerrymander, too. The problem is that no one really knows how to fix it---and, if you think this bill would fix it, you are sadly mistaken. There will always be a way around it unless they set up a grid. And, remember, they also have to ensure that some districts in some states are primarily minority.

There are several mostly blue states that have commissions. That is how you fix it. Take politics out of drawing cohesive lines.

Why should the Dems not gerrymander in MD and CA when the GOP does it to greater extremes in 23 other states?

California has a commission.

Anonymous wrote:Dems gerrymander, too. The problem is that no one really knows how to fix it---and, if you think this bill would fix it, you are sadly mistaken. There will always be a way around it unless they set up a grid. And, remember, they also have to ensure that some districts in some states are primarily minority.

There are several mostly blue states that have commissions. That is how you fix it. Take politics out of drawing cohesive lines.

Why should the Dems not gerrymander in MD and CA when the GOP does it to greater extremes in 23 other states?

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It’s the acting dumb that gets me. They know they’re cheating. They just enjoy trying to gaslight the rest of us; note how the arguments have shifted throughout this thread as their little straw men have been knocked over. Republicans just move on to another lie.

It’s like it’s run by professionals.

Anonymous wrote:Dems gerrymander, too. The problem is that no one really knows how to fix it---and, if you think this bill would fix it, you are sadly mistaken. There will always be a way around it unless they set up a grid. And, remember, they also have to ensure that some districts in some states are primarily minority.

To say that “no one really knows how to fix it” is a bit facile. The Democrats are game to try and make districts more equitable. Republicans just draw ever more convoluted districts that make four Democratic seats into five Republican ones.

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Anonymous wrote:Has there been a single rational conservative on this thread?

It means “I am just a selfish asshole, not a fascist.”

More like, “yeah, I mean the policies I support are fascist, but, like, cuddly fascist! We’re not going to start anything ugly in the streets. Yet. We’re the good kind of fascists.”

Yeah. I think you all are doing a bang up job of convincing OP that voting rights legislation is needed.
Conservatives just love it when you trot out the "fascist" moniker aimed at anonymous people you don't know a lick about. And, they also love being indirectly called 'irrational." And, most of all... they love being referred to as "assholes."
Yep. This type of discourse goes a long way at convincing others of your position!!! Keep convincing her, people!!!

Read the whole thread, please.

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Answers and answers and answers have been supplied and conservatives have glossed right over them. It’s not about “election security;” it’s about voter suppression. I suppose I’m willing to say that that’s not 100% racist; I legitimately believe that Republicans want to suppress the votes of all Democrats - White, Black, Latino, Asian, Native etc.

I will not pretend that the new rules that will allow GOP state houses to overturn elections are anything but fascist. Not a single Republican has said that those laws are anti-democratic and bad. That’s how we know that the GOP is just in this to eke out more wins.

Dems gerrymander, too. The problem is that no one really knows how to fix it---and, if you think this bill would fix it, you are sadly mistaken. There will always be a way around it unless they set up a grid. And, remember, they also have to ensure that some districts in some states are primarily minority.