Anonymous
08/22/2021 15:51
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah - fake post. Well the “post” is real in that exists. Typical racists crap. Anyone of average intelligence who graduated with a teaching degree - and that obviously does not include the person making the post - understands the issues that disparity imposed, and that you cannot ignore them in the classroom.
The issue largely arose because kids in classrooms were largely from the same socio-economic group. But, obviously, that has never been the case with all students in the classroom and ignoring that fact is not permitted. So - no - you cannot assign a project that requires kids to have access to materials or abilities that are not available to all kids.
Example: Everyone in your 3rd grade class needs to go to the public library and get a library card. Problem: Billy’s mom is single parenting and his Grandma watches him after school. Grandma is great but does not drive and it is a 3 mile walk from Grandmas house to the library. When Billy’s mom gets home the library is closed. When Billy cannot show his new library card in class 2 weeks later shall we blame Billy? What do you think Billy got out of that assignment? Did it make Billy a more confident student? Did it make Billy want to go to the library and get books to read? Or, did you just embarrass and humiliate Billy?
Frankly - embarrassing and humiliating Billy is what the poster wants. Ha ha. Isn’t that fun?
Well I am the OP and I am a real person. Contrary to the many assumptions here I am not an ignorant recent graduate but a middle aged teacher who came from a different district to this one. You seem to come from a place of caring about kids — while slinging unfounded insults at me — but nevertheless have not defined for me what “equitable outcomes” are supposed to be. No one in my former or I presume my new school would ever give an assignment like the one you describe, so it is an unfair straw man. In my old school, and in much of the country, “outcomes” are test scores. I cannot guarantee they will be equal, or equitable, however we define that.
You are still stuck —quite stupidly— on the idea that equitable outcomes means equal. You’ve been told your perception is incorrect. I am terribly worried that you might teach one of my own kids or be a coworker.
Anonymous
08/22/2021 15:47
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher...I interpret this as " treat every child with the love, respect, encouragement and access that you would want for your own child".
That's a great interpretation but if your back and Hispanic kids score a lot lower than your Asian and white kids you're going to be fired. Because to many school districts, equity means closing the achievement gap. Because you can't make the former group work any harder of the later group work any less, it's impossible. Best of luck to you.
Do you have proof of your assertion that a teacher who did provide equal access and equitable outcomes was fired because the outcomes were not equal?
Do you have proof that a teacher wasn't?
You know damn well that you’re asking someone to prove a negative.
And you know damn well that proving a teacher was fired for not closing the achievement gap is impossible. The admin would simply move them elsewhere like they did with the drunk-driving principal a few years ago. They never admit what's really going on.
Anonymous
08/22/2021 15:45
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did you become a teacher without any discussion or awareness of equity issues and their impact on how children learn? Genuinely curious.
They need to focus on how to teach kids how to read and write and not on equity. Everyone knows that students should be given equity of opportunity but that doesn’t mean the same results.
Be quiet.
EVERYONE should focus in equity. We should all have done awareness of how we are treating people, if we are dealing with the with understanding, empathy and respect. We should understand that everyone’s circumstances and experiences are different so we should not operate on assumptions.
Yes! And we should keep dumbing down the schools until the least capable kids can get As. That'll fix everything.
Again, this is not what is meant by teaching for equity. I have never been asked to show all kids have As. I have been asked to explain and actively address clear patterns of one or more groups having significant underperformance compared to one group. If I have white boys all performing two levels below Asian girls on all of my assessments, why do I think that is happening? And it wasn’t always about race and ethnicity. I had a strong T pattern of calling that discouraged students on the wings or let them off the hook. Once I had to examine the data with a coach, it was glaringly evident. I got support in using several equitable calling practices and started using them. Within two weeks, engagement in the wings rose considerably. That is equitable teaching. It has nothing to do with race.
You sound fantastic. I wish my son had you as a teacher. Unfortunately equitable teaching almost always means race. And because teachers are not in control of the biggest predictor of academic success (home life) there's only so much you can do. Woke lunatics are pushing for the dumbing down of the curriculum, getting rid of testing, etc. to close an unclosabe achievement gap.
Anonymous
08/22/2021 15:06
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did you become a teacher without any discussion or awareness of equity issues and their impact on how children learn? Genuinely curious.
They need to focus on how to teach kids how to read and write and not on equity. Everyone knows that students should be given equity of opportunity but that doesn’t mean the same results.
Be quiet.
EVERYONE should focus in equity. We should all have done awareness of how we are treating people, if we are dealing with the with understanding, empathy and respect. We should understand that everyone’s circumstances and experiences are different so we should not operate on assumptions.
Yes! And we should keep dumbing down the schools until the least capable kids can get As. That'll fix everything.
Again, this is not what is meant by teaching for equity. I have never been asked to show all kids have As. I have been asked to explain and actively address clear patterns of one or more groups having significant underperformance compared to one group. If I have white boys all performing two levels below Asian girls on all of my assessments, why do I think that is happening? And it wasn’t always about race and ethnicity. I had a strong T pattern of calling that discouraged students on the wings or let them off the hook. Once I had to examine the data with a coach, it was glaringly evident. I got support in using several equitable calling practices and started using them. Within two weeks, engagement in the wings rose considerably. That is equitable teaching. It has nothing to do with race.
Anonymous
08/22/2021 14:48
Subject: Re:How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Well I am the OP and I am a real person. Contrary to the many assumptions here I am not an ignorant recent graduate but a middle aged teacher who came from a different district to this one. You seem to come from a place of caring about kids — while slinging unfounded insults at me — but nevertheless have not defined for me what “equitable outcomes” are supposed to be. No one in my former or I presume my new school would ever give an assignment like the one you describe, so it is an unfair straw man. In my old school, and in much of the country, “outcomes” are test scores. I cannot guarantee they will be equal, or equitable, however we define that.
OP, you need to meet with your administrators and come to a better understanding of their terminology instead of dinking around on here where people want to poke you and bring in their own agendas.
Multiple teachers here have explained to you how they would interpret "equitable outcomes." Ultimately, the only perspective that matters to you right now is your administrators' , so ask them to define the terminology, since it seems unclear to you (equal and equitable are not synonymous). In the DC-area school systems I have worked in, multiple data points are used to show that students have made progress--which is ultimately what your evaluation is measuring. You should have a team lead or a mentor who can help you understand the intricacies of your evaluation better as well.
Anonymous
08/22/2021 14:46
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher...I interpret this as " treat every child with the love, respect, encouragement and access that you would want for your own child".
That's a great interpretation but if your back and Hispanic kids score a lot lower than your Asian and white kids you're going to be fired. Because to many school districts, equity means closing the achievement gap. Because you can't make the former group work any harder of the later group work any less, it's impossible. Best of luck to you.
Do you have proof of your assertion that a teacher who did provide equal access and equitable outcomes was fired because the outcomes were not equal?
Do you have proof that a teacher wasn't?
You know damn well that you’re asking someone to prove a negative.
Anonymous
08/22/2021 14:14
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah - fake post. Well the “post” is real in that exists. Typical racists crap. Anyone of average intelligence who graduated with a teaching degree - and that obviously does not include the person making the post - understands the issues that disparity imposed, and that you cannot ignore them in the classroom.
The issue largely arose because kids in classrooms were largely from the same socio-economic group. But, obviously, that has never been the case with all students in the classroom and ignoring that fact is not permitted. So - no - you cannot assign a project that requires kids to have access to materials or abilities that are not available to all kids.
Example: Everyone in your 3rd grade class needs to go to the public library and get a library card. Problem: Billy’s mom is single parenting and his Grandma watches him after school. Grandma is great but does not drive and it is a 3 mile walk from Grandmas house to the library. When Billy’s mom gets home the library is closed. When Billy cannot show his new library card in class 2 weeks later shall we blame Billy? What do you think Billy got out of that assignment? Did it make Billy a more confident student? Did it make Billy want to go to the library and get books to read? Or, did you just embarrass and humiliate Billy?
Frankly - embarrassing and humiliating Billy is what the poster wants. Ha ha. Isn’t that fun?
Well I am the OP and I am a real person. Contrary to the many assumptions here I am not an ignorant recent graduate but a middle aged teacher who came from a different district to this one. You seem to come from a place of caring about kids — while slinging unfounded insults at me — but nevertheless have not defined for me what “equitable outcomes” are supposed to be. No one in my former or I presume my new school would ever give an assignment like the one you describe, so it is an unfair straw man. In my old school, and in much of the country, “outcomes” are test scores. I cannot guarantee they will be equal, or equitable, however we define that.
1. The choice is yours: (a) you are lying or (b) you are stupid. Either way you are a racists. So if you are teaching - quit. Immediately.
Anonymous
08/22/2021 13:16
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did you become a teacher without any discussion or awareness of equity issues and their impact on how children learn? Genuinely curious.
They need to focus on how to teach kids how to read and write and not on equity. Everyone knows that students should be given equity of opportunity but that doesn’t mean the same results.
Be quiet.
EVERYONE should focus in equity. We should all have done awareness of how we are treating people, if we are dealing with the with understanding, empathy and respect. We should understand that everyone’s circumstances and experiences are different so we should not operate on assumptions.
Yes! And we should keep dumbing down the schools until the least capable kids can get As. That'll fix everything.
Yes - you are a racist. No - your thoughts on how we should keep racism rolling are not worthy of consideration.
What?
Anonymous
08/22/2021 13:16
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher...I interpret this as " treat every child with the love, respect, encouragement and access that you would want for your own child".
That's a great interpretation but if your back and Hispanic kids score a lot lower than your Asian and white kids you're going to be fired. Because to many school districts, equity means closing the achievement gap. Because you can't make the former group work any harder of the later group work any less, it's impossible. Best of luck to you.
Do you have proof of your assertion that a teacher who did provide equal access and equitable outcomes was fired because the outcomes were not equal?
Do you have proof that a teacher wasn't?
Anonymous
08/22/2021 13:15
Subject: Re:How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the responses. I’m trying to dig deeper on what equitable outcomes means since it’s part of what I will be evaluated on, it sounds like. If it doesn’t mean equal outcomes, then what does it mean in terms of learning outcomes, scores, grades, etc. ?
Equitable outcomes means that the outcome is fair (grade reflects effort and ability) given that equal opportunities were provided, no false barriers were created (what this might be depends on individual circumstances), and unequal barriers were removed (e.g., access to wi fi, IEPs correctly implemented).
Exactly as I said above. Teachers will have to set expectations at the lowest ability students or be accused of inequity. It's a race to the bottom.
Anonymous
08/22/2021 12:56
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm a teacher...I interpret this as " treat every child with the love, respect, encouragement and access that you would want for your own child".
That's a great interpretation but if your back and Hispanic kids score a lot lower than your Asian and white kids you're going to be fired. Because to many school districts, equity means closing the achievement gap. Because you can't make the former group work any harder of the later group work any less, it's impossible. Best of luck to you.
Do you have proof of your assertion that a teacher who did provide equal access and equitable outcomes was fired because the outcomes were not equal?
Anonymous
08/22/2021 12:53
Subject: Re:How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the responses. I’m trying to dig deeper on what equitable outcomes means since it’s part of what I will be evaluated on, it sounds like. If it doesn’t mean equal outcomes, then what does it mean in terms of learning outcomes, scores, grades, etc. ?
Equitable outcomes means that the outcome is fair (grade reflects effort and ability) given that equal opportunities were provided, no false barriers were created (what this might be depends on individual circumstances), and unequal barriers were removed (e.g., access to wi fi, IEPs correctly implemented).
Anonymous
08/22/2021 12:37
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Yeah - fake post. Well the “post” is real in that exists. Typical racists crap. Anyone of average intelligence who graduated with a teaching degree - and that obviously does not include the person making the post - understands the issues that disparity imposed, and that you cannot ignore them in the classroom.
The issue largely arose because kids in classrooms were largely from the same socio-economic group. But, obviously, that has never been the case with all students in the classroom and ignoring that fact is not permitted. So - no - you cannot assign a project that requires kids to have access to materials or abilities that are not available to all kids.
Example: Everyone in your 3rd grade class needs to go to the public library and get a library card. Problem: Billy’s mom is single parenting and his Grandma watches him after school. Grandma is great but does not drive and it is a 3 mile walk from Grandmas house to the library. When Billy’s mom gets home the library is closed. When Billy cannot show his new library card in class 2 weeks later shall we blame Billy? What do you think Billy got out of that assignment? Did it make Billy a more confident student? Did it make Billy want to go to the library and get books to read? Or, did you just embarrass and humiliate Billy?
Frankly - embarrassing and humiliating Billy is what the poster wants. Ha ha. Isn’t that fun?
Well I am the OP and I am a real person. Contrary to the many assumptions here I am not an ignorant recent graduate but a middle aged teacher who came from a different district to this one. You seem to come from a place of caring about kids — while slinging unfounded insults at me — but nevertheless have not defined for me what “equitable outcomes” are supposed to be. No one in my former or I presume my new school would ever give an assignment like the one you describe, so it is an unfair straw man. In my old school, and in much of the country, “outcomes” are test scores. I cannot guarantee they will be equal, or equitable, however we define that.
Anonymous
08/22/2021 12:25
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did you become a teacher without any discussion or awareness of equity issues and their impact on how children learn? Genuinely curious.
They need to focus on how to teach kids how to read and write and not on equity. Everyone knows that students should be given equity of opportunity but that doesn’t mean the same results.
Be quiet.
EVERYONE should focus in equity. We should all have done awareness of how we are treating people, if we are dealing with the with understanding, empathy and respect. We should understand that everyone’s circumstances and experiences are different so we should not operate on assumptions.
Yes! And we should keep dumbing down the schools until the least capable kids can get As. That'll fix everything.
Yes - you are a racist. No - your thoughts on how we should keep racism rolling are not worthy of consideration.
Anonymous
08/22/2021 10:41
Subject: How would you interpret this as a new school employee?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did you become a teacher without any discussion or awareness of equity issues and their impact on how children learn? Genuinely curious.
They need to focus on how to teach kids how to read and write and not on equity. Everyone knows that students should be given equity of opportunity but that doesn’t mean the same results.
Be quiet.
EVERYONE should focus in equity. We should all have done awareness of how we are treating people, if we are dealing with the with understanding, empathy and respect. We should understand that everyone’s circumstances and experiences are different so we should not operate on assumptions.
Yes! And we should keep dumbing down the schools until the least capable kids can get As. That'll fix everything.