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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not our experience. Our daughter (headed to med school this fall) did very well at a top college, graduating cum laude and a member of Phi Beta Kappa. So did her peers.

My husband, a physician, went to Wheaton High in the 70's, then to Ivies (for both college & med school).

If you don't have a child in the red zone, you don't know what you are talking about.

Your daughter sounds like an outlier, and your husband's experience at Wheaton 30-35 years ago certainly doesn't say much about current conditions there.

Generally speaking, kids from Whitman, Churchill or Wootton will fare much better at an Ivy or another top university than a student from an Einstein, Kennedy or Wheaton. It's not because the former are elitists, but instead because they've received a better education and are used to being surrounded by high-achievers who know they have to work hard to excel. Top kids at Einstein or Kennedy haven't been in a similar environment, so it comes as more of a surprise to them when they attend an academically challenging school and find themselves lagging behind their peers.

This is just not so. I have had kids at Einstein, as have our family and friends. My daughter is not an outlier. Her close friends from Einstein have all graduated from good colleges and most are on their way to grad or professional school, or exploring their various options.

You don't live here, you don't have kids here, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. You assume that because you live in the W district, you just know better - that the default is Whitman (or whatever) and everything else well, just doesn't measure up. And you "know" this based on nothing other than your own biases.

This says more about you than anything else.

Hey, be gentle with 17:14. She has to convince herself that the Bethesda mortgage is worth it, and that she is not an elitist or worse. So, let her continue her delusions. After all, who wants to deal with people like that at PTA meetings? If I wanted to deal with families who have attitudes like that, I wouldn't have moved to Silver Spring.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not our experience. Our daughter (headed to med school this fall) did very well at a top college, graduating cum laude and a member of Phi Beta Kappa. So did her peers.

My husband, a physician, went to Wheaton High in the 70's, then to Ivies (for both college & med school).

If you don't have a child in the red zone, you don't know what you are talking about.

Your daughter sounds like an outlier, and your husband's experience at Wheaton 30-35 years ago certainly doesn't say much about current conditions there.

Generally speaking, kids from Whitman, Churchill or Wootton will fare much better at an Ivy or another top university than a student from an Einstein, Kennedy or Wheaton. It's not because the former are elitists, but instead because they've received a better education and are used to being surrounded by high-achievers who know they have to work hard to excel. Top kids at Einstein or Kennedy haven't been in a similar environment, so it comes as more of a surprise to them when they attend an academically challenging school and find themselves lagging behind their peers.

This is just not so. I have had kids at Einstein, as have our family and friends. My daughter is not an outlier. Her close friends from Einstein have all graduated from good colleges and most are on their way to grad or professional school, or exploring their various options.

You don't live here, you don't have kids here, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. You assume that because you live in the W district, you just know better - that the default is Whitman (or whatever) and everything else well, just doesn't measure up. And you "know" this based on nothing other than your own biases.

This says more about you than anything else.

nope

I wrote the post and should have been clearer. A former student from a red zone school is now at Yale - full scholarship.

From that last line of yours, I'd say you're one sick puppy.

Also, from what little I wrote, how do you know the student was a harship case with "decent" credentials? You know nothing about this student, but you're assuming s/he is a FARMs kid with credentials that aren't necessarily outstanding.

I am far from stupid, but you, PP, are the best example of a racist.

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Anonymous wrote:
full scholarship to Yale
student from the "red zone"

You can make the best out of any situation.

I hate elitists; the only thing that makes them special is their bank account.

You hate elitists but are going to Yale on someone else's dime?

Either you're stupid or ungrateful, or both.

That's actually the concern of many parents about Einstein. Their own kids will get lost while a hardship case with somewhat decent credentials helps an elite institution like Yale meet its quotas.

Anonymous wrote:Not our experience. Our daughter (headed to med school this fall) did very well at a top college, graduating cum laude and a member of Phi Beta Kappa. So did her peers.

My husband, a physician, went to Wheaton High in the 70's, then to Ivies (for both college & med school).

If you don't have a child in the red zone, you don't know what you are talking about.

Your daughter sounds like an outlier, and your husband's experience at Wheaton 30-35 years ago certainly doesn't say much about current conditions there.

Generally speaking, kids from Whitman, Churchill or Wootton will fare much better at an Ivy or another top university than a student from an Einstein, Kennedy or Wheaton. It's not because the former are elitists, but instead because they've received a better education and are used to being surrounded by high-achievers who know they have to work hard to excel. Top kids at Einstein or Kennedy haven't been in a similar environment, so it comes as more of a surprise to them when they attend an academically challenging school and find themselves lagging behind their peers.

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Anonymous wrote:
Not disputing anything you say (although I will point out that the housing prices in Woodside Park are comparable to those in Carderock). Just saying - with accuracy as I am there, doing this right now - that there is in fact, a population of high-achieving, motivated students at Einstein. My kids were/are among them.

And I guarantee you that a qualified applicant to a top college from Einstein is far more likely to be admitted to that school than an equally-qualified applicant from Whitman, because such students are a dime a dozen at the latter and not so much at the former. That is a fact.

Maybe, but the Whitman or Churchill kid admitted to a top college generally will feel much more comfortable surrounded by high-achieving peers than the Einstein kid who has been a big fish in the tiny pond. At the top university I attended, the kids from Whitman and Churchill tended to excel, while the kids from Silver Spring struggled and probably would have been better off at U. Md. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but why take the risk?

Yes, because the U. of Maryland is so mediocre, and that's where underperformers go.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Not disputing anything you say (although I will point out that the housing prices in Woodside Park are comparable to those in Carderock). Just saying - with accuracy as I am there, doing this right now - that there is in fact, a population of high-achieving, motivated students at Einstein. My kids were/are among them.

And I guarantee you that a qualified applicant to a top college from Einstein is far more likely to be admitted to that school than an equally-qualified applicant from Whitman, because such students are a dime a dozen at the latter and not so much at the former. That is a fact.

Maybe, but the Whitman or Churchill kid admitted to a top college generally will feel much more comfortable surrounded by high-achieving peers than the Einstein kid who has been a big fish in the tiny pond. At the top university I attended, the kids from Whitman and Churchill tended to excel, while the kids from Silver Spring struggled and probably would have been better off at U. Md. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but why take the risk?

I think you mean, rich white privileged peers.

My kids in the red zone are surrounded by high-achieving peers.

Anonymous wrote:9:15 You mean they will feel much more comfortable being surrounded by overwhelming affluence than kids who have attended diverse schools in the downcounty area. That says more about elitism than about how well-prepared students are from one mcps school vs. another.

This.

We've had this conversation on this forum before. The "W" cluster people seem to know a lot about the red zone, considering how terrified they are of it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Not disputing anything you say (although I will point out that the housing prices in Woodside Park are comparable to those in Carderock). Just saying - with accuracy as I am there, doing this right now - that there is in fact, a population of high-achieving, motivated students at Einstein. My kids were/are among them.

And I guarantee you that a qualified applicant to a top college from Einstein is far more likely to be admitted to that school than an equally-qualified applicant from Whitman, because such students are a dime a dozen at the latter and not so much at the former. That is a fact.

Maybe, but the Whitman or Churchill kid admitted to a top college generally will feel much more comfortable surrounded by high-achieving peers than the Einstein kid who has been a big fish in the tiny pond. At the top university I attended, the kids from Whitman and Churchill tended to excel, while the kids from Silver Spring struggled and probably would have been better off at U. Md. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but why take the risk?

Not our experience. Our daughter (headed to med school this fall) did very well at a top college, graduating cum laude and a member of Phi Beta Kappa. So did her peers.

My husband, a physician, went to Wheaton High in the 70's, then to Ivies (for both college & med school).

If you don't have a child in the red zone, you don't know what you are talking about.

9:15 You mean they will feel much more comfortable being surrounded by overwhelming affluence than kids who have attended diverse schools in the downcounty area. That says more about elitism than about how well-prepared students are from one mcps school vs. another.

Anonymous wrote:
Not disputing anything you say (although I will point out that the housing prices in Woodside Park are comparable to those in Carderock). Just saying - with accuracy as I am there, doing this right now - that there is in fact, a population of high-achieving, motivated students at Einstein. My kids were/are among them.

And I guarantee you that a qualified applicant to a top college from Einstein is far more likely to be admitted to that school than an equally-qualified applicant from Whitman, because such students are a dime a dozen at the latter and not so much at the former. That is a fact.

Maybe, but the Whitman or Churchill kid admitted to a top college generally will feel much more comfortable surrounded by high-achieving peers than the Einstein kid who has been a big fish in the tiny pond. At the top university I attended, the kids from Whitman and Churchill tended to excel, while the kids from Silver Spring struggled and probably would have been better off at U. Md. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but why take the risk?

Anonymous wrote:If such a critical mass exists, it's shrinking. Why do you think Silver Spring is so much cheaper than Bethesda? Why do realtors highlight when houses are located in the Whitman or Churchill districts and routinely leave out any school information for homes in the red zone?

There's a much lower demand for similar types of homes in Silver Spring; ergo, lower prices. The market tells a different story than you do.

Actually, it is growing. As a PP says, many of the kids who would have gone to CAP at Blair are now choosing Einstein for its IB program.

We are looking at homes and honestly there are sone brand new kensington and ss homes invent $500k range but they all feed into Einstein. That's why they are so cheap and it's the truth. Sorry but would not send my kids there so the house hunt continues.

Anonymous wrote:If such a critical mass exists, it's shrinking. Why do you think Silver Spring is so much cheaper than Bethesda? Why do realtors highlight when houses are located in the Whitman or Churchill districts and routinely leave out any school information for homes in the red zone?

There's a much lower demand for similar types of homes in Silver Spring; ergo, lower prices. The market tells a different story than you do.

Not disputing anything you say (although I will point out that the housing prices in Woodside Park are comparable to those in Carderock). Just saying - with accuracy as I am there, doing this right now - that there is in fact, a population of high-achieving, motivated students at Einstein. My kids were/are among them.

And I guarantee you that a qualified applicant to a top college from Einstein is far more likely to be admitted to that school than an equally-qualified applicant from Whitman, because such students are a dime a dozen at the latter and not so much at the former. That is a fact.

If such a critical mass exists, it's shrinking. Why do you think Silver Spring is so much cheaper than Bethesda? Why do realtors highlight when houses are located in the Whitman or Churchill districts and routinely leave out any school information for homes in the red zone?

There's a much lower demand for similar types of homes in Silver Spring; ergo, lower prices. The market tells a different story than you do.

Not an Einstein parent, but I hear good things. Einstein must have a core of very dedicated parents that run an annual college fair and international night that many schools would be proud to pull off. Students who preivously would have gone to Blair's CAP are choosing Einstein instead for its performing and visual arts programs.