Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 10:36     Subject: Re:Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
In my eyes most of the NESCAC and Patriot League schools fit this definition but DCUM wants to think everything's a meritocracy so i'll get flamed for that.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 10:32     Subject: Re:Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
I once would have said NYU, Boston U, CU Boulder or USC but no more.

Chapman
Santa Clara?
Gettysburg College
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 10:29     Subject: Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:Example of a classy but broke school: Sarah Lawrence


I see what you mean but is Sarah Lawrence ''classy''? From what I can see among my kids' friends urban schools are hip now and ''preppy'' is out. ''Hipster'' is in.

I'd say the following are rich average kid schools (by average I mean average among rich kids):

Pace
Hofstra
Any art school
Emerson
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 10:22     Subject: Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Example of a classy but broke school: Sarah Lawrence
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 10:15     Subject: Re:Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I’m saying what if a UC kid gets a 1100 SAT and is a C student. What do they do in 2021?



There are 4000 colleges and universities in this country. There is a place for everyone.


I know but I’m talking about the very wealthy who aren’t going to mesh with the riff raff.


Truly wealthy people can send their so so kids to alternative private schools without grades. They either maneuver them into easy programs at fun state schools or classy but broke private schools, or they get them into programs aimed at kids with learning disabilities.


Curious, what are some examples of the “classy but broke” schools?


DP But if a school is known enough to be mentioned on here in *any* light its not really broke. Schools are never going to close in droves like DCUM thinks they are. I could name many private colleges with seven digit endowments and they are still open, and I have not once seen these schools mentioned on DCUM. THOSE are the ''broke'' ones. Schools that are known enough to be mentioned here like Juniata or Rollins aren't going anywhere.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 10:12     Subject: Re:Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably outdated here on some of these but here’s some wild guesses:

UMiami
Tulane
GWU
Syracuse
Hobart and William Smith
Connecticut College
U of Vermont
Trinity College
Penn State
Hampden-Sydney
Mount Holyoke


UMiami, Tulane and GW with a C average? C’mon PP, even with the “this might be outdated” disclaimer, you can do better than that. Tulane had like a 9 percent acceptance rate this year. Highly doubt many of those had C’s. Maybe a few outliers with very large donations. Your list could be appropriate for wealthy kids with C‘a and made huge donations.


I totally think UMiami and GW are still average rich kid schools. Remember these schools have programs where you agree to delay attending for fall semester of freshman year so you are not counted in the entering stats and only rich kids can afford to do these programs, usually they are study abroad.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 08:35     Subject: Re:Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I’m saying what if a UC kid gets a 1100 SAT and is a C student. What do they do in 2021?



There are 4000 colleges and universities in this country. There is a place for everyone.


I know but I’m talking about the very wealthy who aren’t going to mesh with the riff raff.


Truly wealthy people can send their so so kids to alternative private schools without grades. They either maneuver them into easy programs at fun state schools or classy but broke private schools, or they get them into programs aimed at kids with learning disabilities.


Curious, what are some examples of the “classy but broke” schools?
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 07:21     Subject: Re:Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:Probably outdated here on some of these but here’s some wild guesses:

UMiami
Tulane
GWU
Syracuse
Hobart and William Smith
Connecticut College
U of Vermont
Trinity College
Penn State
Hampden-Sydney
Mount Holyoke


UMiami, Tulane and GW with a C average? C’mon PP, even with the “this might be outdated” disclaimer, you can do better than that. Tulane had like a 9 percent acceptance rate this year. Highly doubt many of those had C’s. Maybe a few outliers with very large donations. Your list could be appropriate for wealthy kids with C‘a and made huge donations.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 03:23     Subject: Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The "side door" may be closed, but the continued existence of USC still very much answers your question, OP!

I think of places like College of Charleston, Bucknell, American U in this vein as well. They're all "fine" schools, of course, totally appropriate for a UC kid, but when you've had all the privileges of a UC upbringing they're probably not what you were hoping for.


Oh, c’mon, Bucknell does not belong in the same sentence with College of Charleston. American is actually a decent university.


NP. All three are decent or better but give off “rich boarding school kid” vibes. The academic quality standard of “decent” school is a much higher bar to clear in my eyes for private universities like American and Bucknell, considering how much they charge.

I have an estranged but wealthy close relative who used the fact their FIL purchased a named building for the school to guarantee their middling kid an admissions offer. This was for a school listed in this thread.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 03:12     Subject: Re:Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably outdated here on some of these but here’s some wild guesses:

UMiami
Tulane
GWU
Syracuse
Hobart and William Smith
Connecticut College
U of Vermont
Trinity College
Penn State
Hampden-Sydney
Mount Holyoke

Yes on most of these. Tulane has gotten ridiculously competitive in the past half decade or so. U Miami slightly less so but still not an easy admit.
Others:
Rollins
Elon
College of Charleston
University of Denver
Furman
TCU
Miami of OH
Indiana
CU Boulder



I think SMU, Baylor and Pepperdine might fit too?
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2021 00:51     Subject: Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:The "side door" may be closed, but the continued existence of USC still very much answers your question, OP!

I think of places like College of Charleston, Bucknell, American U in this vein as well. They're all "fine" schools, of course, totally appropriate for a UC kid, but when you've had all the privileges of a UC upbringing they're probably not what you were hoping for.


Oh, c’mon, Bucknell does not belong in the same sentence with College of Charleston. American is actually a decent university.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2021 23:49     Subject: Re:Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I’m saying what if a UC kid gets a 1100 SAT and is a C student. What do they do in 2021?


I have an average student. He got mainly B and C grades. He only received an A in PE and some other electives he was able to pick. Core classes, the ones he was required to take for graduation that he had zero interest in, he received a C. Those he had a bit of interest in, like history, he'd get a B.

Anyway, his SAT was just slightly higher than that at 1240. He hates taking long standardized tests. His GPA when applying was 2.3 and his end of the year GPA was 2.4.

Here are the colleges he applied to and the results:

JMU (waitlisted - he didn't want to go here, but his girlfriend wanted him to apply b/c she's going there)
GMU (waitlisted then accepted)
WVU - accepted
CNU - accepted
ODU - accepted
LSU - accepted
Pitt - accepted
Univ. of Kansas - accepted
Co. State Univ. - accepted
FSU (his reach) - rejected

So, as you can see, there are still some decent universities for average students.



Wow, Pitt is really unexpected, the middle SAT has him below the 25%ile and GPA is far below the weighted 25%ile of 3.75. And that's not even factoring OOS. Is the 2.3 weighted? It's below what some of the listed schools say is the minimum required GPA.


I was rushing and I didn't add a note to that one. DH went to Pitt as well as other relatives on his side. DS had zero interest in Pitt but DH was adamant he apply. DH and my FIL are donors but not BIG donors, however they are still pretty active alums. They got up to various alum events from time to time, etc.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2021 23:49     Subject: Re:Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:Probably outdated here on some of these but here’s some wild guesses:

UMiami
Tulane
GWU
Syracuse
Hobart and William Smith
Connecticut College
U of Vermont
Trinity College
Penn State
Hampden-Sydney
Mount Holyoke

Yes on most of these. Tulane has gotten ridiculously competitive in the past half decade or so. U Miami slightly less so but still not an easy admit.
Others:
Rollins
Elon
College of Charleston
University of Denver
Furman
TCU
Miami of OH
Indiana
CU Boulder

Anonymous
Post 08/09/2021 22:57     Subject: Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Anonymous wrote:Omg 2.4 mom you give this 2.7 mom of a full pay blue chip athletic recruit hope. I literally cannot sleep thinking about my kids utter failure of grades and the implications this will have. I’d be thrilled with those schools.


English please.
Anonymous
Post 08/09/2021 22:54     Subject: Post-Varsity Blues, where do the UC send their kids if they end up being average academically?
Omg 2.4 mom you give this 2.7 mom of a full pay blue chip athletic recruit hope. I literally cannot sleep thinking about my kids utter failure of grades and the implications this will have. I’d be thrilled with those schools.