Anonymous
08/03/2021 09:17
Subject: USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
Can’t you both just agree that at the root of all USWNT/US Soccer problems is FCV?
Anonymous
08/03/2021 08:43
Subject: Re:USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you want to talk about? If you have an opinion then state it. That was a complete nothing way to start a thread.
PP has been stating this opinion in every. single. thread.
US Soccer is broken, only PP has known this and how to fix it, wishing a death spiral on USWNT, blah, blah...
So folks are still in denial.
Maybe. But your posts have become dull. Say something interesting or insightful.
This is intended to be a discussion. I’m aware you have to get past your own “we are amazing and will always be amazing”. Those posts have been so informative as well.
Except that no one says that. Only you, in every thread.
I’ve contributed ideas you’ve contributed nothing. Either contribute or find another thread.
Happy to bow out if you will also stop derailing every other women's soccer thread with this conversation.
Anonymous
08/03/2021 08:03
Subject: Re:USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you want to talk about? If you have an opinion then state it. That was a complete nothing way to start a thread.
PP has been stating this opinion in every. single. thread.
US Soccer is broken, only PP has known this and how to fix it, wishing a death spiral on USWNT, blah, blah...
So folks are still in denial.
Maybe. But your posts have become dull. Say something interesting or insightful.
This is intended to be a discussion. I’m aware you have to get past your own “we are amazing and will always be amazing”. Those posts have been so informative as well.
Except that no one says that. Only you, in every thread.
I’ve contributed ideas you’ve contributed nothing. Either contribute or find another thread.
Anonymous
08/03/2021 08:02
Subject: USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
There’s not a problem to solve here.
The US does things its way and Europe does its thing it’s way. Once college b-ball and football go semi-pro and the money dries up for other college athletics, things here will change on the college soccer front, likely spelling the end of most women’s pro team sports (except WNBA) at any meaningful level as the money and interest are not there. This will drive the top young US soccer playing women to sign with Euro clubs. MLS will never subsidize women’s teams unless there is money to be made and as long as pro US soccer ranks below b-ball, football, baseball, and hockey in this country the money won’t be there. The USWNT will continue to compete and be top 5 in the world, year after year. I mean look how bad they are this time and they are still top 4.
The US does things its way and Europe does its thing it’s way. Once college b-ball and football go semi-pro and the money dries up for other college athletics, things here will change on the college soccer front, likely spelling the end of most women’s pro team sports (except WNBA) at any meaningful level as the money and interest are not there. This will drive the top young US soccer playing women to sign with Euro clubs. MLS will never subsidize women’s teams unless there is money to be made and as long as pro US soccer ranks below b-ball, football, baseball, and hockey in this country the money won’t be there. The USWNT will continue to compete and be top 5 in the world, year after year. I mean look how bad they are this time and they are still top 4.
Anonymous
08/03/2021 08:02
Subject: USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:a lot of families and kids pick a sport based on a dream of earning potential
Um, it doesn't work that way. The sport picks the athlete. There are very few athletes who can simply choose the professional sport they wish to play. It just isn't how it works.
As sports become even more and more specialized it is nearly impossible to excel at the highest levels in more than one sport.
Kids primarily pick sports that they enjoy and have some connection to. Picking a sport and "planning" on making a living at it is beyond ludicrous.
It does work that way.
Sprinting in Jamaican is both idolized and a way to $
In the us football and basketball are preferred over baseball and others for the majority of players as they are a way to $ of college scholarship
It simply is what it is
In us kids grow up wanting to be ballers and the $ that comes
Combined with the pay to play soccer in us model it is no surprise.
Akeem Olajuwon etc
Bo Jackson Danny Ainge
Steve Nash
Kobe Bryant
Anonymous
08/03/2021 06:38
Subject: Re:USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you want to talk about? If you have an opinion then state it. That was a complete nothing way to start a thread.
PP has been stating this opinion in every. single. thread.
US Soccer is broken, only PP has known this and how to fix it, wishing a death spiral on USWNT, blah, blah...
So folks are still in denial.
Maybe. But your posts have become dull. Say something interesting or insightful.
This is intended to be a discussion. I’m aware you have to get past your own “we are amazing and will always be amazing”. Those posts have been so informative as well.
Except that no one says that. Only you, in every thread.
Anonymous
08/03/2021 00:03
Subject: Re:USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you want to talk about? If you have an opinion then state it. That was a complete nothing way to start a thread.
1. Cultivate talent at younger ages. Prioritize technical and game IQ as much as athleticism regardless of the package it comes in at 8/9/10 years old.
2. Make ODP relevant again. There needs to be a competitive ID process that is league agnostic.
There is certainly more to do but that is a start.
Anonymous
08/02/2021 23:48
Subject: Re:USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It is about the trajectory of woman's soccer in America. DUH. That's what I'm speaking to. It's not just the AGE, we are going to be eclipsed more and more because America (boys and girls sides) does not have the training methodology and system that is overseas. They are 30 years behind America with their women's side and everyone is catching up quickly. That's my point.
Our youth soccer identification, national team selection process, coaching, etc. all pale in comparison.[/quote
YES! ID process needs completely revamped, national team selection needs updated. Why are the same kids picked over and over when there are more than 4000 kids in the age groups wanted. Each age group. Stop paying scouts for nothing.
And - really what's the point? To make 40K on a pro team??
Again…let them go to Europe. What’s the issue? Problem solved
FIFA rules prevent it below 17 years old without a European passport.
Most players can’t go until college years, how hard is this to understand?
There is no way the US will develop a similar soccer developmental system to what Europe enjoys. The money is not there and the interest to sustain a robust tier system is also not there. What is here are promising women soccer players who should be allowed to further develop their skills in Europe after hs and while on the uswnt. It is much preferable to stagnating in the nwsl.
Here's the problems facing women's soccer in this country.
Everything is funneled through club and college soccer. Europe is taking sport more seriously and funneling kids through academies.
The athletic gap may still exist but the technical gap is closed. If you watched Sweden or Netherlands against the US, the opponents played a much better brand of soccer and could get through lines. US was mostly reduced to long balls and using physical superiority.
Ideally, yes, women would go to Europe against better competition, but it won't be like the men because so much is tied into making the domestic league be successful. USSF props up this league as part of the current collective bargaining agreement that is now back again under scrutiny. There's less financial incentive for the top players to play in Europe because they get a subsidized salary and benefits playing in the NWSL.
It's not a surprise that all the women that played in Europe except one - Abby Dahlkamper - have returned to NWSL. Catarina Macario is another one who just moved to Europe. Playing in the states is more comfortable lifestyle and the pressure hasn't been to push the envelope on development while the team was winning internationally. Perhaps with the loss in the Olympics and a newer generation coming in, there will be more women that go play in Europe and the team will be better for it.
Anonymous
08/02/2021 22:46
Subject: USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
I understand and don’t give AF.
And, you obviously fail to mention to vast vast majority of the kids in Europe wash out of the academies.
It’s a BS dream.
And, you obviously fail to mention to vast vast majority of the kids in Europe wash out of the academies.
It’s a BS dream.
Anonymous
08/02/2021 22:45
Subject: Re:USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It is about the trajectory of woman's soccer in America. DUH. That's what I'm speaking to. It's not just the AGE, we are going to be eclipsed more and more because America (boys and girls sides) does not have the training methodology and system that is overseas. They are 30 years behind America with their women's side and everyone is catching up quickly. That's my point.
Our youth soccer identification, national team selection process, coaching, etc. all pale in comparison.[/quote
YES! ID process needs completely revamped, national team selection needs updated. Why are the same kids picked over and over when there are more than 4000 kids in the age groups wanted. Each age group. Stop paying scouts for nothing.
And - really what's the point? To make 40K on a pro team??
Again…let them go to Europe. What’s the issue? Problem solved
FIFA rules prevent it below 17 years old without a European passport.
Most players can’t go until college years, how hard is this to understand?
There is no way the US will develop a similar soccer developmental system to what Europe enjoys. The money is not there and the interest to sustain a robust tier system is also not there. What is here are promising women soccer players who should be allowed to further develop their skills in Europe after hs and while on the uswnt. It is much preferable to stagnating in the nwsl.
I understand and don’t give AF.
And, you obviously fail to mention to vast vast majority of the kids in Europe wash out of the academies.
It’s a BS dream.
Anonymous
08/02/2021 22:39
Subject: USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
What sports do kids who live in the hood pick up? At what age do they start picking them up? 14? LOL don't think so
Anonymous
08/02/2021 22:13
Subject: Re:USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What do you want to talk about? If you have an opinion then state it. That was a complete nothing way to start a thread.
1. Cultivate talent at younger ages. Prioritize technical and game IQ as much as athleticism regardless of the package it comes in at 8/9/10 years old.
2. Make ODP relevant again. There needs to be a competitive ID process that is league agnostic.
There is certainly more to do but that is a start.
How would ODP fix anything? Parents complain about the club coaches now. They would just get on here and complain about the ODP coaches.
Anonymous
08/02/2021 22:07
Subject: Re:USWNT: Are people finally ready to talk accept and talk about the future?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It is about the trajectory of woman's soccer in America. DUH. That's what I'm speaking to. It's not just the AGE, we are going to be eclipsed more and more because America (boys and girls sides) does not have the training methodology and system that is overseas. They are 30 years behind America with their women's side and everyone is catching up quickly. That's my point.
Our youth soccer identification, national team selection process, coaching, etc. all pale in comparison.[/quote
YES! ID process needs completely revamped, national team selection needs updated. Why are the same kids picked over and over when there are more than 4000 kids in the age groups wanted. Each age group. Stop paying scouts for nothing.
And - really what's the point? To make 40K on a pro team??
Again…let them go to Europe. What’s the issue? Problem solved
FIFA rules prevent it below 17 years old without a European passport.
Most players can’t go until college years, how hard is this to understand?
There is no way the US will develop a similar soccer developmental system to what Europe enjoys. The money is not there and the interest to sustain a robust tier system is also not there. What is here are promising women soccer players who should be allowed to further develop their skills in Europe after hs and while on the uswnt. It is much preferable to stagnating in the nwsl.