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Anonymous wrote:Its irrelevant. Read Job. God knows, we don't.

If we don't know, how do you know? That argument makes no sense. It's a square circle.

I never said I know. I said God knows, and as God said in Job, if you would read it, some things only he knows.

How do you know God knows if you don't know? That's the illogical square circle. Cannot be.

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Anonymous wrote:Its irrelevant. Read Job. God knows, we don't.

If we don't know, how do you know? That argument makes no sense. It's a square circle.

I never said I know. I said God knows, and as God said in Job, if you would read it, some things only he knows.

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Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

Your belief He doesn’t exist isn’t universal. Christianity is the world’s largest religion.

which is not indicative of its value or veracity.

Spiritually and religious beliefs are based on faith. There’s no expectation or need to prove anything true about either. Science also is based on faith. Though these things are understood by philosophers of science, the general public is often unaware of the nature of the scientific enterprise. Most people asking this question assume that Christianity is a blind leap in the dark. Christianity, they say, is not concerned with evidence, but is believed in the absence of evidence, or even contrary to the known facts. Faith is not, however, a leap. Rather, it is a foundation. All science is based upon a faith of some kind. For example, we must believe that there is a real world of matter out there that is accessible and correlated to our senses. We must believe that our minds are giving us reliable information about the world. We must believe that language and mathematics, reason and logic can all be applied to the world of our senses. It is true that scientists take certain things on faith. It is also true that religious narratives might speak to human needs that scientific theories can’t hope to satisfy.

But they're not! What the Bible says is TRUTH, not faith. The scriptures are God's word. I get flyers from the local Christian school that says belief in Christ is not a matter of faith but based on Biblical truth. Stop selling these folks short and being condescending by suggesting their beliefs are just based on faith.

I am confused. Are you discussing that you believe what the Bible says is the TRUTH, not faith, and that scriptures are God’s word? Or discussing that flyers from other people believe that? It sounds in the first part if your post you believe it; in the second, that a local Christian school believes that?

The school mailers from a local Christian school to my house say the Bible is truth, and belief is not not based on faith (those exact words). Plus I've heard others on this forum express the same view. It is rather condescending to these people and their beliefs to assert that "Spiritually and religious beliefs are based on faith." I'm just saying a lot of people would disagree with you about that.

Have you asked the Christian school to take you off their mailing list so you don’t need to be subjected to their flyers? Have you tried not coming to a religious forum that might have possible different opinions about religion? I am not Jewish, but the Jewish posts and comments here are interesting and fit the theme of the forum (religion) so they don’t make me feel like Jewish people are forcing their religion on me? They have a right to be Jewish in public/on a religion forum. I like to hear about their faith/traditions/culture.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

Your belief He doesn’t exist isn’t universal. Christianity is the world’s largest religion.

which is not indicative of its value or veracity.

Spiritually and religious beliefs are based on faith. There’s no expectation or need to prove anything true about either. Science also is based on faith. Though these things are understood by philosophers of science, the general public is often unaware of the nature of the scientific enterprise. Most people asking this question assume that Christianity is a blind leap in the dark. Christianity, they say, is not concerned with evidence, but is believed in the absence of evidence, or even contrary to the known facts. Faith is not, however, a leap. Rather, it is a foundation. All science is based upon a faith of some kind. For example, we must believe that there is a real world of matter out there that is accessible and correlated to our senses. We must believe that our minds are giving us reliable information about the world. We must believe that language and mathematics, reason and logic can all be applied to the world of our senses. It is true that scientists take certain things on faith. It is also true that religious narratives might speak to human needs that scientific theories can’t hope to satisfy.

But they're not! What the Bible says is TRUTH, not faith. The scriptures are God's word. I get flyers from the local Christian school that says belief in Christ is not a matter of faith but based on Biblical truth. Stop selling these folks short and being condescending by suggesting their beliefs are just based on faith.

I am confused. Are you discussing that you believe what the Bible says is the TRUTH, not faith, and that scriptures are God’s word? Or discussing that flyers from other people believe that? It sounds in the first part if your post you believe it; in the second, that a local Christian school believes that?

The school mailers from a local Christian school to my house say the Bible is truth, and belief is not not based on faith (those exact words). Plus I've heard others on this forum express the same view. It is rather condescending to these people and their beliefs to assert that "Spiritually and religious beliefs are based on faith." I'm just saying a lot of people would disagree with you about that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

Your belief He doesn’t exist isn’t universal. Christianity is the world’s largest religion.

which is not indicative of its value or veracity.

Spiritually and religious beliefs are based on faith. There’s no expectation or need to prove anything true about either. Science also is based on faith. Though these things are understood by philosophers of science, the general public is often unaware of the nature of the scientific enterprise. Most people asking this question assume that Christianity is a blind leap in the dark. Christianity, they say, is not concerned with evidence, but is believed in the absence of evidence, or even contrary to the known facts. Faith is not, however, a leap. Rather, it is a foundation. All science is based upon a faith of some kind. For example, we must believe that there is a real world of matter out there that is accessible and correlated to our senses. We must believe that our minds are giving us reliable information about the world. We must believe that language and mathematics, reason and logic can all be applied to the world of our senses. It is true that scientists take certain things on faith. It is also true that religious narratives might speak to human needs that scientific theories can’t hope to satisfy.

But they're not! What the Bible says is TRUTH, not faith. The scriptures are God's word. I get flyers from the local Christian school that says belief in Christ is not a matter of faith but based on Biblical truth. Stop selling these folks short and being condescending by suggesting their beliefs are just based on faith.

I am confused. Are you discussing that you believe what the Bible says is the TRUTH, not faith, and that scriptures are God’s word? Or discussing that flyers from other people believe that? It sounds in the first part if your post you believe it; in the second, that a local Christian school believes that?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

Your belief He doesn’t exist isn’t universal. Christianity is the world’s largest religion.

which is not indicative of its value or veracity.

Spiritually and religious beliefs are based on faith. There’s no expectation or need to prove anything true about either. Science also is based on faith. Though these things are understood by philosophers of science, the general public is often unaware of the nature of the scientific enterprise. Most people asking this question assume that Christianity is a blind leap in the dark. Christianity, they say, is not concerned with evidence, but is believed in the absence of evidence, or even contrary to the known facts. Faith is not, however, a leap. Rather, it is a foundation. All science is based upon a faith of some kind. For example, we must believe that there is a real world of matter out there that is accessible and correlated to our senses. We must believe that our minds are giving us reliable information about the world. We must believe that language and mathematics, reason and logic can all be applied to the world of our senses. It is true that scientists take certain things on faith. It is also true that religious narratives might speak to human needs that scientific theories can’t hope to satisfy.

But they're not! What the Bible says is TRUTH, not faith. The scriptures are God's word. I get flyers from the local Christian school that says belief in Christ is not a matter of faith but based on Biblical truth. Stop selling these folks short and being condescending by suggesting their beliefs are just based on faith.

Maybe don’t worry about the flyers? Don’t you have something important in your life (dog, kid, job, sandwich) that makes the flyers an annoyance, but not a matter of life and death?

That school is just one example of people who believe the Bible is truth. Others have expressed this same opinion right here on this forum. People can believe what they want but some beliefs are more rational and supportable than others.

The school has both a right to believe the Bible is the truth and also at the same time, no need to be seen rational by you or others, or supported by you or others. That’s where your dog/job/kid/sandwich comes in, hopefully.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

Your belief He doesn’t exist isn’t universal. Christianity is the world’s largest religion.

which is not indicative of its value or veracity.

Spiritually and religious beliefs are based on faith. There’s no expectation or need to prove anything true about either. Science also is based on faith. Though these things are understood by philosophers of science, the general public is often unaware of the nature of the scientific enterprise. Most people asking this question assume that Christianity is a blind leap in the dark. Christianity, they say, is not concerned with evidence, but is believed in the absence of evidence, or even contrary to the known facts. Faith is not, however, a leap. Rather, it is a foundation. All science is based upon a faith of some kind. For example, we must believe that there is a real world of matter out there that is accessible and correlated to our senses. We must believe that our minds are giving us reliable information about the world. We must believe that language and mathematics, reason and logic can all be applied to the world of our senses. It is true that scientists take certain things on faith. It is also true that religious narratives might speak to human needs that scientific theories can’t hope to satisfy.

But they're not! What the Bible says is TRUTH, not faith. The scriptures are God's word. I get flyers from the local Christian school that says belief in Christ is not a matter of faith but based on Biblical truth. Stop selling these folks short and being condescending by suggesting their beliefs are just based on faith.

Maybe don’t worry about the flyers? Don’t you have something important in your life (dog, kid, job, sandwich) that makes the flyers an annoyance, but not a matter of life and death?

That school is just one example of people who believe the Bible is truth. Others have expressed this same opinion right here on this forum. People can believe what they want but some beliefs are more rational and supportable than others.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

Your belief He doesn’t exist isn’t universal. Christianity is the world’s largest religion.

which is not indicative of its value or veracity.

Spiritually and religious beliefs are based on faith. There’s no expectation or need to prove anything true about either. Science also is based on faith. Though these things are understood by philosophers of science, the general public is often unaware of the nature of the scientific enterprise. Most people asking this question assume that Christianity is a blind leap in the dark. Christianity, they say, is not concerned with evidence, but is believed in the absence of evidence, or even contrary to the known facts. Faith is not, however, a leap. Rather, it is a foundation. All science is based upon a faith of some kind. For example, we must believe that there is a real world of matter out there that is accessible and correlated to our senses. We must believe that our minds are giving us reliable information about the world. We must believe that language and mathematics, reason and logic can all be applied to the world of our senses. It is true that scientists take certain things on faith. It is also true that religious narratives might speak to human needs that scientific theories can’t hope to satisfy.

But they're not! What the Bible says is TRUTH, not faith. The scriptures are God's word. I get flyers from the local Christian school that says belief in Christ is not a matter of faith but based on Biblical truth. Stop selling these folks short and being condescending by suggesting their beliefs are just based on faith.

Maybe don’t worry about the flyers? Don’t you have something important in your life (dog, kid, job, sandwich) that makes the flyers an annoyance, but not a matter of life and death?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

Your belief He doesn’t exist isn’t universal. Christianity is the world’s largest religion.

which is not indicative of its value or veracity.

Spiritually and religious beliefs are based on faith. There’s no expectation or need to prove anything true about either. Science also is based on faith. Though these things are understood by philosophers of science, the general public is often unaware of the nature of the scientific enterprise. Most people asking this question assume that Christianity is a blind leap in the dark. Christianity, they say, is not concerned with evidence, but is believed in the absence of evidence, or even contrary to the known facts. Faith is not, however, a leap. Rather, it is a foundation. All science is based upon a faith of some kind. For example, we must believe that there is a real world of matter out there that is accessible and correlated to our senses. We must believe that our minds are giving us reliable information about the world. We must believe that language and mathematics, reason and logic can all be applied to the world of our senses. It is true that scientists take certain things on faith. It is also true that religious narratives might speak to human needs that scientific theories can’t hope to satisfy.

But they're not! What the Bible says is TRUTH, not faith. The scriptures are God's word. I get flyers from the local Christian school that says belief in Christ is not a matter of faith but based on Biblical truth. Stop selling these folks short and being condescending by suggesting their beliefs are just based on faith.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

Your belief He doesn’t exist isn’t universal. Christianity is the world’s largest religion.

which is not indicative of its value or veracity.

Spiritually and religious beliefs are based on faith. There’s no expectation or need to prove anything true about either. Science also is based on faith. Though these things are understood by philosophers of science, the general public is often unaware of the nature of the scientific enterprise. Most people asking this question assume that Christianity is a blind leap in the dark. Christianity, they say, is not concerned with evidence, but is believed in the absence of evidence, or even contrary to the known facts. Faith is not, however, a leap. Rather, it is a foundation. All science is based upon a faith of some kind. For example, we must believe that there is a real world of matter out there that is accessible and correlated to our senses. We must believe that our minds are giving us reliable information about the world. We must believe that language and mathematics, reason and logic can all be applied to the world of our senses. It is true that scientists take certain things on faith. It is also true that religious narratives might speak to human needs that scientific theories can’t hope to satisfy.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

Your belief He doesn’t exist isn’t universal. Christianity is the world’s largest religion.

which is not indicative of its value or veracity.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

Your belief He doesn’t exist isn’t universal. Christianity is the world’s largest religion.

Anonymous wrote:According to what you believe?

Lol. "God" doesn't exist

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Hilarious! so much for space exploration. I doubt even most religious people believe this antiquated stuff.

To inhabit other planets you have to conduct space exploration first. God isn't going to give a map of the universe and give all the answers to everything; no, God is going to allow the wonders of discovery to find habitable planets and discover the technological means to colonize them. This will be more readily achieved with sin removed which causes all of humanity to be little more than a scrambling pile of rats each clawing over each other and dragging down others preventing them from climbing out of the cesspool.

And just because something is old does not mean it is not true. "1 + 1 = 2". This antiquated equation was true 5,000 years ago and is true today and will be true 5,000 years into the future. "God exists and created the universe as stated in the book of Genesis" is also true.

Prove it.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. --Matthew 7:6

There is ample scholarship on the web to be read if one is seriously seeking the truth of what the bible says.
And there is nothing I can say that can "prove" to you that "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." It is self-evident that it is so.

Jesus quoted the scriptures, such as Jonah and Genesis, affirming their truth.

And the rich man said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Jesus said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
--Luke 16:30

Were Jesus to appear and do and say what he did about 2,000 years ago, even if his miracles were caught on video, there would be those who say it's fake, or that Jesus works through the power of Satan, just as those wicked Jews said who put him to death for exposing their crooked, Babylonish religious traditions when their very own Torah clearly laid out the time of his appearing.

You are of the same mind: even if one came back from the dead, if you will not hear Moses and the prophets, nor Jesus, you will not be persuaded nor will you repent even if your great great granny rose from the grave and appeared before you like Jacob Marley imploring you to believe and repent.

You are using the bible to prove the bible?

That's not how proof works. So, fail. Care to try again?

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Hilarious! so much for space exploration. I doubt even most religious people believe this antiquated stuff.

To inhabit other planets you have to conduct space exploration first. God isn't going to give a map of the universe and give all the answers to everything; no, God is going to allow the wonders of discovery to find habitable planets and discover the technological means to colonize them. This will be more readily achieved with sin removed which causes all of humanity to be little more than a scrambling pile of rats each clawing over each other and dragging down others preventing them from climbing out of the cesspool.

And just because something is old does not mean it is not true. "1 + 1 = 2". This antiquated equation was true 5,000 years ago and is true today and will be true 5,000 years into the future. "God exists and created the universe as stated in the book of Genesis" is also true.

Prove it.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. --Matthew 7:6

There is ample scholarship on the web to be read if one is seriously seeking the truth of what the bible says.
And there is nothing I can say that can "prove" to you that "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." It is self-evident that it is so.

Jesus quoted the scriptures, such as Jonah and Genesis, affirming their truth.

And the rich man said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Jesus said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
--Luke 16:30

Were Jesus to appear and do and say what he did about 2,000 years ago, even if his miracles were caught on video, there would be those who say it's fake, or that Jesus works through the power of Satan, just as those wicked Jews said who put him to death for exposing their crooked, Babylonish religious traditions when their very own Torah clearly laid out the time of his appearing.

You are of the same mind: even if one came back from the dead, if you will not hear Moses and the prophets, nor Jesus, you will not be persuaded nor will you repent even if your great great granny rose from the grave and appeared before you like Jacob Marley imploring you to believe and repent.

Thanks Pat

Sounds like someone has heard this shtick before from someone named "Pat"