Someone I know divorced and left their husband after reading this book, used the book as a crutch to justify an affair and moving in with another person. Congrats, GD.
Also know others who went to school with GD and they were not complimentary of her. #winning

Is she like Elizabeth Gilbert? Because I couldn’t get through Eat Pray Love, made it about 2 chapters, and want to know if I’ll like Untamed or not.

Yeah, her career should have been a mug. Or maybe a throw pillow.

Anonymous wrote:A woman I went to college with was a semi-famous mommy blogger and continues to be totally attention-seeking on various platforms and now she literally charges people to "solve problems for them." It is totally fascinating to me. Like, she's not a licensed therapist, and she's not a certified coach, and she's never worked in a consulting firm, but she just holds herself out there as someone who will talk to you on the phone and then tell you how to fix your life or your business or your marriage or whatever. And she charges hundreds of dollars! I guess because she is confidently and openly going on all the time about her life and kids and drama, people hire her. As someone said in this thread or the other one on Glennon Doyle -- some people follow these women for the train wreck aspect, but other people seem to because if you are a mess you gravitate to women who seem to have their shit together....and some will apparently even pay those women to tell you how to get your shit together. If only it were that easy.

Did you go to college near Philly?

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I feel like I'm totally her demographic and I don't get her appeal at all. When you make your mess that public, It's not just about you. The other people in your life who had no choice in the matter also have to deal with the fallout of mess + publicity.

This hashtag wins with internet today. Thanks for the laugh

Drug addict narcissist. Lots of narcissists around here. So, they like her.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to find mommy and inspirational bloggers to be a guilty pleasure - like Glennon Doyle, Brenee Brown, etc. But now I just can't really get anything out of it because it's so clear they are messed up personally.

I never got the enormous appeal of brenee brown, probably because she reminds me of many other ph.d.'s in the psychology field and personally she always struck me as thin skinned, defensive and insecure. She seems to have softened but star quality and the enormous national stage she commands? Baffled. I think personally she probably struggles with it too...I have known other clinicians and faculty/researchers who are so wise, warm and charismatic. Life is funny, these things don't always square.

I can't with Brene Brown either. Ugh.

A few points: Brene Brown is a social worker, not a psychologist. She also has a Ph.D. and a legitimate faculty appointment at an actual university. Finding her style grating is a matter of personal preference, but it's not the same as someone like Glennon Doyle, who has no robust credentials in anything while putting forth the illusion of expertise. That may be part of her charm, in the way that some people find Sarah Palin or Kim Kardashian charming: they're complete BS artists. It's one thing to find people like that entertaining, but thinking they provide actual expert advice in things that matter is troubling. Hard pass.

But whether their advice is actually "expert" or not, if someone finds it helpful, what does it matter? What's the actual harm?

You don't see an issue with people following the advice of someone with no legitimate credentials on a topic? Plenty of things can "seem" helpful that actually aren't. Our country has a weird fixation with ignoring actual experts and thinking they know best, to no one's benefit.

Especially if they are their “authentic” self to readers while actually rewriting their own history. There have been numerous indications on multiple websites that Glennon’s history is not what she says it is.

Sure, if they're giving advice on psychiatric meds or something. But aren't most of these people touting things along the lines of "be true to yourself" and GRATITUDE? I share the cynicism, but it's not like that's deep enough to require credentials.

I was the poster who said I did not get the appeal of Brown, did not know she was not a psychologist, thanks for clarifying. I think early in she looked to me like she was not all that self aware.. I totally get that she actually has creds but oddly this is part of what grated because her response to critique was so unlike what I would expect of a colleague. I'm thinking specifically about her response to Adam Grant who questioned implementing some of her tenants about "authenticity" in the workplace. I can look for the link, but she sounded defensive and she seemed offended for even being challenged. She seemed pissed about having to define her terms. This is what professionals and colleagues in the field do though, they challenge and ask questions about your work and your thinking.

Additionally I was confused because shame in her work was never tied to any of the larger issues they would be in broader theory or clinical work (like looking at the unique relationship between shame and narcissism, or how to work with shame in treatment, or research regarding different common pathways on how shame develops, etc) but i also realize she was writing self help and she has to significantly water down her research for public consumption and this probably is a huge conflict/pia for her too.

So basically i suspect she was really just working her sh"t out as she went along versus having done the work. Which I guess is how it goes,. I found it hard to watch though. There’s no shame researcher who maybe had a better handle on their personal shame? Maybe not, I don't know. I agree...the personality issues of some of these high profile writers can't help but be revealed and this is what happens when you write so personally. And then the fame fuels your issues further and you write personally about it some more, etc. I have not decided if that suggests they are brave and creative or actually naive and a bit too attention seeking/grandiose. Maybe a bit of all of it.

I also had someone highly recommend the book. Read maybe 1/3 of it and had to stop. Terrible.

Some early blog posts (like Don’t Carpe Diem or the letter to Chase on a first day of school) really resonated with me at the time. I read Untamed and find it 10% inspirational, 10% funny, and about 80% eye roll worthy but I know a lot of people who admire her greatly and that has helped them so I can’t dislike her.

I clicked on this story solely so I could post it here. Enjoy DCUM. Enjoy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/style/glennon-doyle-abby-wambach-instagram-podcast.html?mc=aud_dev&ad-keywords=auddevgate&subid1=TAFI&twclid=11403149375535263744

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Anonymous wrote:My sister went to college with Glennon and has always said that Glennon is first and foremost a fiction writer. Notably the alcoholism and eating disorders are exaggerated.

She’s a fraud and mentally ill.

She was also quite the mean girl. Her sister is nice though.

Np- her name was always so familiar to me. When I see her name it rattles around in my head for a while. Glennon Doyle... so I looked her up and turns out I went to high school AND college with her. She was a year ahead.
Don’t remember her.

Anonymous wrote:I only learned of her after she met her now-wife, and I think she’s amazing. I love her takes on authenticity, love, parenting, race, gay rights, etc. Her new book, Untamed, is fantastic. Also kind of hard to read, because it makes me think so critically about my situation in life.

She’s the only blogger/social media personality I can stand.

Hi, Glennon!!

Anonymous wrote:My sister went to college with Glennon and has always said that Glennon is first and foremost a fiction writer. Notably the alcoholism and eating disorders are exaggerated.

She’s a fraud and mentally ill.

She was also quite the mean girl. Her sister is nice though.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to find mommy and inspirational bloggers to be a guilty pleasure - like Glennon Doyle, Brenee Brown, etc. But now I just can't really get anything out of it because it's so clear they are messed up personally.

I never got the enormous appeal of brenee brown, probably because she reminds me of many other ph.d.'s in the psychology field and personally she always struck me as thin skinned, defensive and insecure. She seems to have softened but star quality and the enormous national stage she commands? Baffled. I think personally she probably struggles with it too...I have known other clinicians and faculty/researchers who are so wise, warm and charismatic. Life is funny, these things don't always square.

I can't with Brene Brown either. Ugh.

A few points: Brene Brown is a social worker, not a psychologist. She also has a Ph.D. and a legitimate faculty appointment at an actual university. Finding her style grating is a matter of personal preference, but it's not the same as someone like Glennon Doyle, who has no robust credentials in anything while putting forth the illusion of expertise. That may be part of her charm, in the way that some people find Sarah Palin or Kim Kardashian charming: they're complete BS artists. It's one thing to find people like that entertaining, but thinking they provide actual expert advice in things that matter is troubling. Hard pass.

But whether their advice is actually "expert" or not, if someone finds it helpful, what does it matter? What's the actual harm?

You don't see an issue with people following the advice of someone with no legitimate credentials on a topic? Plenty of things can "seem" helpful that actually aren't. Our country has a weird fixation with ignoring actual experts and thinking they know best, to no one's benefit.

Especially if they are their “authentic” self to readers while actually rewriting their own history. There have been numerous indications on multiple websites that Glennon’s history is not what she says it is.

Sure, if they're giving advice on psychiatric meds or something. But aren't most of these people touting things along the lines of "be true to yourself" and GRATITUDE? I share the cynicism, but it's not like that's deep enough to require credentials.

Which if they’re rewriting their own history to hit the narrative they are not being true, it’s a farce. A bunch of carnival snake oil dealers

" I guess I feel a little bad about feeling that way seeing another PP calling out universal hate for female bloggers, but there is something about this particular flavor...the 'monetize telling struggling young moms how to make it through this difficult times in their life and marriage' only to have their own lives be so clearly dysfunctional that feels manipulative and dishonest."

THIS. It's attention-seeking money-mongering, plain and simple -- a way to fill a deep hole within yourself under the guise of "inspiring" others.