Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 14:48     Subject: Re:2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is not only cheating, it is a safety and liability issue. A ninth grader should not be playing a contact sport against sixth graders. It blows my mind that coaches entrusted with kids could be so foolish and so unethical.

The guys who run Cavalier have generally a good reputation. Did they know about this? If I had a son who was considering joining Cavalier at any age, not just 2027, I would definitely ask how this happened and what they did about it. There is at least one travel program at a similar level and location (Evergreen, now Hammers) competing with Cavalier so families do have options.

Somebody said earlier that the Dad of the ninth grader is a HS coach himself - is that true and if so what school?


Not hard to look for which Nova HS varsity goalie could pass for a 6th grader.
cavs knew just where to find one
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 14:42     Subject: 2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:I heard Madlax got crushed and the goalie had nothing to do with it. Upset Madlax parents took photos of Cavs kids with their helmets off and distributed through the community asking for identification. Not okay.


Really? What is an ethical parent supposed to do when an opposing team uses a player who they know is ineligible in a championship game against their son. Go ahead and give a thoughtful answer.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 14:18     Subject: Re:2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
It is not only cheating, it is a safety and liability issue. A ninth grader should not be playing a contact sport against sixth graders.


I don't think I've ever seen a lacrosse goalie make contact with anyone.

It's not like they put in a 9th grade attacker to bulldoze his way through the 6th grade defenders.


If you haven't seen a lacrosse goalie make contact with anyone, you have not watched much lacrosse. It happens all the time. And the frequency of contact by position is not the issue anyhow. If you think playing a ninth grader in a sixth grade game is ok, then I hope your son stays on Cavalier and does not try out for one of the stronger programs like VLC or MadLax.


I've watched many years of middle school, high school, and college lacrosse. It does NOT happen "all the time". I did not say it was OK, idiot, I said that contact was so unlikely that the "liability issue" is not important. Last but not least, my son is not on Cavs. Have a nice day and stop posting stupidly wrong posts.


Why so argumentative? You agree that the cheating by Cavalier is not ok, but you are calling somebody "stupid" and idiot" because they perceive the safety risk differently than you.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 13:50     Subject: 2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:Who cares I am starting to think Cav parents keep posting about this because the club is irrelevant in the lacrosse club scene. This was a B HOCO division move on
i'm not a cavs parent and it was AA division and it matters now matter how irrelevant or uncomfortably annoying this thread is to you.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 13:50     Subject: Re:2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
It is not only cheating, it is a safety and liability issue. A ninth grader should not be playing a contact sport against sixth graders.


I don't think I've ever seen a lacrosse goalie make contact with anyone.

It's not like they put in a 9th grade attacker to bulldoze his way through the 6th grade defenders.


If you haven't seen a lacrosse goalie make contact with anyone, you have not watched much lacrosse. It happens all the time. And the frequency of contact by position is not the issue anyhow. If you think playing a ninth grader in a sixth grade game is ok, then I hope your son stays on Cavalier and does not try out for one of the stronger programs like VLC or MadLax.


I've watched many years of middle school, high school, and college lacrosse. It does NOT happen "all the time". I did not say it was OK, idiot, I said that contact was so unlikely that the "liability issue" is not important. Last but not least, my son is not on Cavs. Have a nice day and stop posting stupidly wrong posts.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 13:36     Subject: 2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:I heard Madlax got crushed and the goalie had nothing to do with it. Upset Madlax parents took photos of Cavs kids with their helmets off and distributed through the community asking for identification. Not okay.


Not okay? You have got to be kidding. Please explain what is wrong with taking a picture of a non-rostered, over-age player to prove who he is.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 13:32     Subject: Re:2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:
It is not only cheating, it is a safety and liability issue. A ninth grader should not be playing a contact sport against sixth graders.


I don't think I've ever seen a lacrosse goalie make contact with anyone.

It's not like they put in a 9th grade attacker to bulldoze his way through the 6th grade defenders.


If you haven't seen a lacrosse goalie make contact with anyone, you have not watched much lacrosse. It happens all the time. And the frequency of contact by position is not the issue anyhow. If you think playing a ninth grader in a sixth grade game is ok, then I hope your son stays on Cavalier and does not try out for one of the stronger programs like VLC or MadLax.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 12:25     Subject: 2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Who cares I am starting to think Cav parents keep posting about this because the club is irrelevant in the lacrosse club scene. This was a B HOCO division move on
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 11:18     Subject: 2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:There's a right way to handle this. If Cavs didn't have a goalie, they should have notified the opposing coach, asked if the other team cared if they subbed in an older player so the kids could have a game, and offered to forfeit according to HoCo rules.

Anything else is just cheating and should be condemned.



Finally, know we are talking... That is the appropriate approach.... anything else is just cheating everyone! No lesson learned there.... if only we had this approach from a majority of clubs, parents and players we wouldn't need this forum and we would all be better for it in the end.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 10:56     Subject: 2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
There's a right way to handle this. If Cavs didn't have a goalie, they should have notified the opposing coach, asked if the other team cared if they subbed in an older player so the kids could have a game, and offered to forfeit according to HoCo rules.

Anything else is just cheating and should be condemned.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 10:49     Subject: Re:2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
9th grade goalie playing for a 6th grade team? He didn't see anything strange about that? Really?
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 10:27     Subject: 2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:Terrible, although I wouldn't necessarily blame the goalie. The rules are weird for goalies and they wouldn't necessarily know what the rules were. With that said, the coach is shameful for doing this and it's a very common problem.


I don't blame the goalie but there's no way a high school freshman wouldn't know that playing in a 6th grade championship game wasn't against the rules. That said, I still blame the coach.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 09:41     Subject: 2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Terrible, although I wouldn't necessarily blame the goalie. The rules are weird for goalies and they wouldn't necessarily know what the rules were. With that said, the coach is shameful for doing this and it's a very common problem.
Anonymous
Post 05/28/2021 09:35     Subject: Re:2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:It is not only cheating, it is a safety and liability issue. A ninth grader should not be playing a contact sport against sixth graders. It blows my mind that coaches entrusted with kids could be so foolish and so unethical.

The guys who run Cavalier have generally a good reputation. Did they know about this? If I had a son who was considering joining Cavalier at any age, not just 2027, I would definitely ask how this happened and what they did about it. There is at least one travel program at a similar level and location (Evergreen, now Hammers) competing with Cavalier so families do have options.

Somebody said earlier that the Dad of the ninth grader is a HS coach himself - is that true and if so what school?


Not hard to look for which Nova HS varsity goalie could pass for a 6th grader.
Anonymous
Post 05/27/2021 00:50     Subject: 2027 AA Cavalier lacrosse “champs”
Anonymous wrote:I heard Madlax got crushed and the goalie had nothing to do with it. Upset Madlax parents took photos of Cavs kids with their helmets off and distributed through the community asking for identification. Not okay.


Well, let's see, during the regular season, MadLax beat Cavs 7-5. That says that Cavs were NOT the kind of team that could crush MadLax. The only thing that was different in the playoff game from the regular season game was... the Cavs goalie. So, if it's true that MadLax got crushed, then the Cavs goalie did indeed have something to do with it.

It's "not okay" to cheat, and it's totally okay to identify the cheater and demand that the cheating team is punished.