Anonymous
Post 05/22/2021 06:50     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

Anonymous wrote:
Op, did you really right that your $5MM in assets is not "WAY more than we need." You literally have more than 98% of the population! Look around.


With a 45 year horizon (grandma and two aunts lived well into their 90’s and father in his late 80’s, $5M is plenty but perhaps not enough to walk away from paid employment in our 40’s. With a realistic 3% draw given the longer time, that’s $150k/year with very uncertain healthcare, stock market, inflation, and elder care costs for two. It’s less than we make now and certainly not enough to live without a budget or care. The house alone will need a new HVAC and roof in the next 3-5 years which will be large expenses. Our cars are both 11+ years old. It’s math, not judgement, and I never said it wasn’t enough, I said it wasn’t enough to do the “outlandish” things (start a school, travel extensively, hire a full-time helper). If we need an aide, that’s $75k or more a year and while that may or may not happen in 20 years, I’d much rather be able to afford it rather than realize we can’t do it at age 65 when work is no longer an option. I never compared myself to anyone, was asking for any advice from a relatively wealthy crew at DCUM who might have ideas for me. Which I got, and thanks to those who chimed in.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2021 22:22     Subject: Re:Reached goal - What happens next?

Anonymous wrote:Congrats, but let's be real. You didn't hit that goal making a combined $200K HHI. Inheritance.


+1. I'm happy for OP but telling people that you managed to save $5M early on $200K is so misleading.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2021 22:19     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Op... you sound nice...but boring. Live a little! I get that travel is bad for the environment, but in non pandemic times, you could have so much time and bond with your family seeing the world. I’m not religious— I don’t think there’s a big payoff after this life. yolo and all that. Maybe you would derive more happiness from doing more for the environment and for the poor. In your shoes, I might go start a school for poor kids in India (I’m Indian, but not that I think that matters as I was born here). There was a book, three cups of tea, that was about a guy who started a school in Afghanistan. Or maybe find a cause closer to home and dig in deep. I’m like you and have jobs that pay well and are ok enjoyable, not hard. I’m not working currently and in a meh stage of life. I’m also trying to find my higher purpose. I get that it’s tough.


Thank you. You really get it. I am boring, I’m afraid. And my first priority is my family so I don’t have a lot of flexibility to do things like start schools in foreign countries. Plus our assets may be enough to live on but it’s not like we have WAY more than we will need. It’s funny, sometimes I think we are in a weird place—more than what we strictly need but not enough to do the outlandish things. Agree that “living a little” is the right answer. I am atheist as well. We had two great trips planned in 2020. Cancelled. Kid should get vaccinated by next month and we will rebook a trip to look forward to. I am grateful for so much. My spouse has chronic and painful health issues that make me grateful that I am not uncomfortable all the time. We would trade all of it for permanent pain relief. Alas, it doesn’t work that way.


Op, did you really write that your $5MM in assets is not "WAY more than we need." You literally have more than 98% of the population! Look around.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2021 22:18     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Op... you sound nice...but boring. Live a little! I get that travel is bad for the environment, but in non pandemic times, you could have so much time and bond with your family seeing the world. I’m not religious— I don’t think there’s a big payoff after this life. yolo and all that. Maybe you would derive more happiness from doing more for the environment and for the poor. In your shoes, I might go start a school for poor kids in India (I’m Indian, but not that I think that matters as I was born here). There was a book, three cups of tea, that was about a guy who started a school in Afghanistan. Or maybe find a cause closer to home and dig in deep. I’m like you and have jobs that pay well and are ok enjoyable, not hard. I’m not working currently and in a meh stage of life. I’m also trying to find my higher purpose. I get that it’s tough.


Thank you. You really get it. I am boring, I’m afraid. And my first priority is my family so I don’t have a lot of flexibility to do things like start schools in foreign countries. Plus our assets may be enough to live on but it’s not like we have WAY more than we will need. It’s funny, sometimes I think we are in a weird place—more than what we strictly need but not enough to do the outlandish things. Agree that “living a little” is the right answer. I am atheist as well. We had two great trips planned in 2020. Cancelled. Kid should get vaccinated by next month and we will rebook a trip to look forward to. I am grateful for so much. My spouse has chronic and painful health issues that make me grateful that I am not uncomfortable all the time. We would trade all of it for permanent pain relief. Alas, it doesn’t work that way.


Op, did you really right that your $5MM in assets is not "WAY more than we need." You literally have more than 98% of the population! Look around.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2021 22:16     Subject: Re:Reached goal - What happens next?

Congrats, but let's be real. You didn't hit that goal making a combined $200K HHI. Inheritance.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2021 22:01     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

Anonymous wrote:OP, what about a Master's or Doctorate (practical doctorate is an E.dD) in education. Check out the Vanderbilt and Harvard Graduate School of Education. Or just go to your locate State U and see what there is. A lot of time you can get a master's in school Development or leadership as a second career.

I appreciate you are boring. I am too. We make more than you do but childcare, mortgage, and student loans means we are bogged down. So go do good with your money! It is a great privilege!


I have a Master’s in Science Education. I taught high school but left because I wanted to try some other things. I always intended to return to a classroom or school position. It’s a passion for me and I’m good at it. I looked into renewing my certification and it would take about 2 college classes plus a letter. Totally easy. I may do that once teen goes to college. Unfortunately, unless it’s a public school, benefits suck and public school has so many problems (classes too large, no way to hold students accountable for awful behavior, jaded students, overbearing parents). I’d love to open my own school and run the program I’ve been thinking about for decades. I know it would be a good school. But without millions or a vast fundraising campaign, you can’t do that, certainly not around here where real estate is so expensive. In the end, I haven’t got the stomach for a risky business. Most schools struggle. If I had $15M, maybe , but not $5M. Anyway, maybe I will be a public school teacher again. There was a lot I loved about it.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2021 21:36     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

OP, what about a Master's or Doctorate (practical doctorate is an E.dD) in education. Check out the Vanderbilt and Harvard Graduate School of Education. Or just go to your locate State U and see what there is. A lot of time you can get a master's in school Development or leadership as a second career.

I appreciate you are boring. I am too. We make more than you do but childcare, mortgage, and student loans means we are bogged down. So go do good with your money! It is a great privilege!
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2021 20:40     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:$17,091 Gross pay

$4,360 Taxes (Fed, state, FICA)

$3,178 401k's
$600 HSA

$475 Medical/Dental Insurance
$60 Limited Purpose FSA

$1,533 ESPP

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$ 6,885 take home pay


Ok the insurance and ESPP were unexpected. This makes sense.

Nothing wrong with ESPP, but it seems a little silly to say $7000 is your take home pay. Really $8500 is your take home pay but you choose to buy company stock from your paycheck.


You're right. ESPP is brand-new as of April and I kind of forgot about it myself. I was planning to wash it though (sell right away) but it's already budgeted for as spending.

Budget is roughly below:

$1,200 food
$940 prop tax & HOA
$310 insurance (life, auto, prop, umbrella)
$170 gas/parking
$420 utilities (phone, internet, water, electric, gas)

$560 medical out-of-pocket (several health issues)

$870 home repairs and sinking fund for large expenses
$170 auto repairs and sinking fund for large expenses
$200 clothing
$120 entertainment
$100 gifts
$250 household supplies, pet care for lizard

$500 charity
$1,270 extracurricular activities, vacations, fun money for individuals, teen's allowance

$420 college savings
$1,000 Roth savings

------------------
$8,500 spending from take-home pay

Not a ton of wiggle room there to ramp up spending. We don't limi


Didn’t you say college was fully funded? Why are you still saving?


Tax deduction in MD. Everyone goes to Grad school now. I figure we can gift any leftover to grandkid(s). Market uncertainty. Plus we are savers by nature.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2021 20:21     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:$17,091 Gross pay

$4,360 Taxes (Fed, state, FICA)

$3,178 401k's
$600 HSA

$475 Medical/Dental Insurance
$60 Limited Purpose FSA

$1,533 ESPP

----------------
$ 6,885 take home pay


Ok the insurance and ESPP were unexpected. This makes sense.

Nothing wrong with ESPP, but it seems a little silly to say $7000 is your take home pay. Really $8500 is your take home pay but you choose to buy company stock from your paycheck.


You're right. ESPP is brand-new as of April and I kind of forgot about it myself. I was planning to wash it though (sell right away) but it's already budgeted for as spending.

Budget is roughly below:

$1,200 food
$940 prop tax & HOA
$310 insurance (life, auto, prop, umbrella)
$170 gas/parking
$420 utilities (phone, internet, water, electric, gas)

$560 medical out-of-pocket (several health issues)

$870 home repairs and sinking fund for large expenses
$170 auto repairs and sinking fund for large expenses
$200 clothing
$120 entertainment
$100 gifts
$250 household supplies, pet care for lizard

$500 charity
$1,270 extracurricular activities, vacations, fun money for individuals, teen's allowance

$420 college savings
$1,000 Roth savings

------------------
$8,500 spending from take-home pay

Not a ton of wiggle room there to ramp up spending. We don't limi


Didn’t you say college was fully funded? Why are you still saving?
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2021 14:54     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

Anonymous wrote:

I’ve really enjoyed reading this thread, though I’m very sorry to hear about your spouse’s medical issues. Like you and many PPs here, we are in a very good financial situation (in our early 50s) and not sure exactly how long to keep working and what we want to do once we stop. We have $6 million in retirement/brokerage accounts, a fully paid off house, and fully funded 529s for our kids, two of whom are already in college. And yet we still feel anxious about money. I’m a Fed and can retire at 58, but my DH was shocked recently when I said I might like to do that as opposed to waiting until after 62 when you get a bump in the multiplier used for calculating the pension amount. I don’t feel any need for a higher purpose though. I love my boring life working at a job I enjoy, reading a lot, and spending time with family and fiends.

We have friends and neighbors who actually are outlandishly rich (hundreds of millions) and do outlandish things like buy private planes and race cars and invest in sports teams. Those toys and luxuries do bring them joy, but I wouldn’t have any interest in that. Our favorite of our richest friends’ luxuries is the incredible backyard kitchen/pool/sport court they built and share generously with all their friends. I think that’s the direction we’ll go—while still working we’ll invest in places and travel that our kids and friends can enjoy with us.


Thank you for posting. We had plans to take a family friend along for one of the trips that got cancelled. It’s definitely about experiencing life rather than buying stuff. As a Fed, you will have good retirement benefits. Not so for me. Targeting age 55 to retire sounds about right to me. I’m up for a promotion at work and I’d love to retire having achieved a 2 as the first number in a six figure salary. My first salary was $27,000 so it would be meaningful.

Good luck to you!
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2021 11:42     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Op... you sound nice...but boring. Live a little! I get that travel is bad for the environment, but in non pandemic times, you could have so much time and bond with your family seeing the world. I’m not religious— I don’t think there’s a big payoff after this life. yolo and all that. Maybe you would derive more happiness from doing more for the environment and for the poor. In your shoes, I might go start a school for poor kids in India (I’m Indian, but not that I think that matters as I was born here). There was a book, three cups of tea, that was about a guy who started a school in Afghanistan. Or maybe find a cause closer to home and dig in deep. I’m like you and have jobs that pay well and are ok enjoyable, not hard. I’m not working currently and in a meh stage of life. I’m also trying to find my higher purpose. I get that it’s tough.


Thank you. You really get it. I am boring, I’m afraid. And my first priority is my family so I don’t have a lot of flexibility to do things like start schools in foreign countries. Plus our assets may be enough to live on but it’s not like we have WAY more than we will need. It’s funny, sometimes I think we are in a weird place—more than what we strictly need but not enough to do the outlandish things. Agree that “living a little” is the right answer. I am atheist as well. We had two great trips planned in 2020. Cancelled. Kid should get vaccinated by next month and we will rebook a trip to look forward to. I am grateful for so much. My spouse has chronic and painful health issues that make me grateful that I am not uncomfortable all the time. We would trade all of it for permanent pain relief. Alas, it doesn’t work that way.


I’ve really enjoyed reading this thread, though I’m very sorry to hear about your spouse’s medical issues. Like you and many PPs here, we are in a very good financial situation (in our early 50s) and not sure exactly how long to keep working and what we want to do once we stop. We have $6 million in retirement/brokerage accounts, a fully paid off house, and fully funded 529s for our kids, two of whom are already in college. And yet we still feel anxious about money. I’m a Fed and can retire at 58, but my DH was shocked recently when I said I might like to do that as opposed to waiting until after 62 when you get a bump in the multiplier used for calculating the pension amount. I don’t feel any need for a higher purpose though. I love my boring life working at a job I enjoy, reading a lot, and spending time with family and fiends.

We have friends and neighbors who actually are outlandishly rich (hundreds of millions) and do outlandish things like buy private planes and race cars and invest in sports teams. Those toys and luxuries do bring them joy, but I wouldn’t have any interest in that. Our favorite of our richest friends’ luxuries is the incredible backyard kitchen/pool/sport court they built and share generously with all their friends. I think that’s the direction we’ll go—while still working we’ll invest in places and travel that our kids and friends can enjoy with us.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2021 10:44     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

What is best university in your area that you would like your DC to go to? Find out if they give benefits and preferential treatment to staff. Go work there.

Buy a vacation home.

Go on nice vacations and make memories - your kid is going to college soon and there won’t be much time left before they would rather go w their friends or girlfriend.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2021 23:00     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

OP first you get the money then you get the power then you get the respect (it’s the key to life)
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2021 22:29     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

Anonymous wrote:Op... you sound nice...but boring. Live a little! I get that travel is bad for the environment, but in non pandemic times, you could have so much time and bond with your family seeing the world. I’m not religious— I don’t think there’s a big payoff after this life. yolo and all that. Maybe you would derive more happiness from doing more for the environment and for the poor. In your shoes, I might go start a school for poor kids in India (I’m Indian, but not that I think that matters as I was born here). There was a book, three cups of tea, that was about a guy who started a school in Afghanistan. Or maybe find a cause closer to home and dig in deep. I’m like you and have jobs that pay well and are ok enjoyable, not hard. I’m not working currently and in a meh stage of life. I’m also trying to find my higher purpose. I get that it’s tough.


Thank you. You really get it. I am boring, I’m afraid. And my first priority is my family so I don’t have a lot of flexibility to do things like start schools in foreign countries. Plus our assets may be enough to live on but it’s not like we have WAY more than we will need. It’s funny, sometimes I think we are in a weird place—more than what we strictly need but not enough to do the outlandish things. Agree that “living a little” is the right answer. I am atheist as well. We had two great trips planned in 2020. Cancelled. Kid should get vaccinated by next month and we will rebook a trip to look forward to. I am grateful for so much. My spouse has chronic and painful health issues that make me grateful that I am not uncomfortable all the time. We would trade all of it for permanent pain relief. Alas, it doesn’t work that way.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2021 15:03     Subject: Reached goal - What happens next?

OP you should pop a perc and feel amazing