Anonymous wrote:I’m glad op posted this because I think there’s a lot of unseen damage being done by the zero risk pregnancy/parenting culture “why risk it?” It’s actually not harmless to be concerned about every minimal risk, it’s damaging to the mental health of parents (mostly moms) and their kids. It’s a Segway to the helicopter parenting and contributing to ppa and ppd. And it’s completely bogus, there is no zero risk parenting. It’s letting fear and anxiety dictate your decisions instead of critical and contextual thinking. Children are safer today than they have ever been.

This. I had PPA and these are the kinds of thoughts I had all the time— that I couldn’t leave my baby alone for one second, that I had to stay awake to make sure she was breathing.

It was a huge deal, after recovering, when I got ok with leaving my baby in the car to run inside and grab something I’d forgotten. Like a 30 second dash inside while the baby was in the car parked in our own garage. And she was FINE. Could something happen? Yes, something can always happen. You have to learn to accept that. You can’t control everything. But you could destroy your life, and your kids life, trying.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the people on this thread justifying leaving their kids in the car are the same ones who let their kids ride their bikes without a helmet “because he’s only going to his friend’s house 2 blocks down!” If you’re okay with that level of risk, here’s a Darwin Award.

Nope, not at all. Helmets required for bikes and scooters, but my 4 and 7 year old can stay in the car while I walk in to UPS to drop off a package. Do you losers seriously unload your kids when you are parked right in front of a place with large windows and you're literally inside to drop something off or pick it up? I think you all have serious anxiety issues that you probably need to talk to someone about.

Luckily, I have staff to do those errands for me. Haven’t dropped off a package or picked up groceries in years

Then why are you posting on this thread of you have no practical experience in the subject?

Anonymous wrote:I’m glad op posted this because I think there’s a lot of unseen damage being done by the zero risk pregnancy/parenting culture “why risk it?” It’s actually not harmless to be concerned about every minimal risk, it’s damaging to the mental health of parents (mostly moms) and their kids. It’s a Segway to the helicopter parenting and contributing to ppa and ppd. And it’s completely bogus, there is no zero risk parenting. It’s letting fear and anxiety dictate your decisions instead of critical and contextual thinking. Children are safer today than they have ever been.

And the behaviors of some of the posters here (they have to be trolls, right??) are incredibly unhealthy. Children have ever increasing rates of anxiety in the US. This kind of performative parenting cannot be helping.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the people on this thread justifying leaving their kids in the car are the same ones who let their kids ride their bikes without a helmet “because he’s only going to his friend’s house 2 blocks down!” If you’re okay with that level of risk, here’s a Darwin Award.

Nope, not at all. Helmets required for bikes and scooters, but my 4 and 7 year old can stay in the car while I walk in to UPS to drop off a package. Do you losers seriously unload your kids when you are parked right in front of a place with large windows and you're literally inside to drop something off or pick it up? I think you all have serious anxiety issues that you probably need to talk to someone about.

Luckily, I have staff to do those errands for me. Haven’t dropped off a package or picked up groceries in years

I’m glad op posted this because I think there’s a lot of unseen damage being done by the zero risk pregnancy/parenting culture “why risk it?” It’s actually not harmless to be concerned about every minimal risk, it’s damaging to the mental health of parents (mostly moms) and their kids. It’s a Segway to the helicopter parenting and contributing to ppa and ppd. And it’s completely bogus, there is no zero risk parenting. It’s letting fear and anxiety dictate your decisions instead of critical and contextual thinking. Children are safer today than they have ever been.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll do what I want thank you very much.

I’m not unloading my 3 kids so I can walk 20 steps into Starbucks to pick up my mobile order.

You’re lazy, we get it.

No, PP is practical. Meanwhile, you're a judgmental sanctimommy.

Anonymous wrote:I’ll do what I want thank you very much.

I’m not unloading my 3 kids so I can walk 20 steps into Starbucks to pick up my mobile order.

You’re lazy, we get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of the people on this thread justifying leaving their kids in the car are the same ones who let their kids ride their bikes without a helmet “because he’s only going to his friend’s house 2 blocks down!” If you’re okay with that level of risk, here’s a Darwin Award.

Nope, not at all. Helmets required for bikes and scooters, but my 4 and 7 year old can stay in the car while I walk in to UPS to drop off a package. Do you losers seriously unload your kids when you are parked right in front of a place with large windows and you're literally inside to drop something off or pick it up? I think you all have serious anxiety issues that you probably need to talk to someone about.

Same. I started my kids with helmets at the tricycle stage so helmets would feel automatic when riding bikes etc.

But I have no problem leaving my kids while I walk a few yards to return a cart. Parking lots are dangerous for pedestrians, especially kids.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s illegal where I live.

And I don’t get the rational that makes it okay. If you wouldn’t leave a four-year-old home alone, why would you leave them in a car alone?

While I push the grocery cart to the collection area 3 spaces away? Or put gas in the car? I don't do it because people around here are nuts and would call that in. Maybe your kids aren't well behaved, but mine sit there nicely for 5 seconds. Windows part way down, car locked, in full sight and within a few feet of the adult.

People are ridiculous around here. Much more likely that my kid will get hit by a car in the parking lot while I return the cart than someone car jacking my locked car.

Do you really think that’s what we’re referring to? Putting gas in the car? Five seconds with your hands on the car?

I carry my toddler and hold hands with my five year old to return the grocery cart because it’s a distance. It’s not hard.

Why would you do that though? Making it hard on yourself when it's much easier to buckle them in, and quickly return the cart.

I mean it's not hard to park by the cart line either.

This - PP is too lazy to park close to the cart return and walk a few extra steps to the store, so she's trolling all the rest of us being smart enough to do that, LOL.

Anonymous wrote:Most of the people on this thread justifying leaving their kids in the car are the same ones who let their kids ride their bikes without a helmet “because he’s only going to his friend’s house 2 blocks down!” If you’re okay with that level of risk, here’s a Darwin Award.

Nope, not at all. Helmets required for bikes and scooters, but my 4 and 7 year old can stay in the car while I walk in to UPS to drop off a package. Do you losers seriously unload your kids when you are parked right in front of a place with large windows and you're literally inside to drop something off or pick it up? I think you all have serious anxiety issues that you probably need to talk to someone about.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s illegal where I live.

And I don’t get the rational that makes it okay. If you wouldn’t leave a four-year-old home alone, why would you leave them in a car alone?

While I push the grocery cart to the collection area 3 spaces away? Or put gas in the car? I don't do it because people around here are nuts and would call that in. Maybe your kids aren't well behaved, but mine sit there nicely for 5 seconds. Windows part way down, car locked, in full sight and within a few feet of the adult.

People are ridiculous around here. Much more likely that my kid will get hit by a car in the parking lot while I return the cart than someone car jacking my locked car.

Do you really think that’s what we’re referring to? Putting gas in the car? Five seconds with your hands on the car?

I carry my toddler and hold hands with my five year old to return the grocery cart because it’s a distance. It’s not hard.

Yeah, OP said: not 3.14 seconds to pick up takeout

PSA: OP is psychotic and needs help.

Anonymous wrote:Never. The walk to return the grocery carts with me, into Starbucks where ever. A poster above said it and it was drilled into me and my parents in the carjacking ‘90’s: your kids are the last thing you load into the car and the first thing out Never leave a child in the car except when you’re stepping back to unhook his car seat or get back into your seat after hooking them in.

As noted, it’s also illegal.

Your kids are 100x more likely to get hit my a car in the parking lot while you are returning a cart than any of those other things you are worried about.

I'm with you with never leave a car running with your child inside it unless you are physically in the car. It can take a second for someone to jump in a drive off.

But if your car is off, you have the keys, and the car is in your sight, it is totally fine and safe to step away for a few minutes. You sound nuts.

Anonymous wrote:Never. The walk to return the grocery carts with me, into Starbucks where ever. A poster above said it and it was drilled into me and my parents in the carjacking ‘90’s: your kids are the last thing you load into the car and the first thing out Never leave a child in the car except when you’re stepping back to unhook his car seat or get back into your seat after hooking them in.

As noted, it’s also illegal.

You already lectured...uh..told us.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s illegal where I live.

And I don’t get the rational that makes it okay. If you wouldn’t leave a four-year-old home alone, why would you leave them in a car alone?

While I push the grocery cart to the collection area 3 spaces away? Or put gas in the car? I don't do it because people around here are nuts and would call that in. Maybe your kids aren't well behaved, but mine sit there nicely for 5 seconds. Windows part way down, car locked, in full sight and within a few feet of the adult.

People are ridiculous around here. Much more likely that my kid will get hit by a car in the parking lot while I return the cart than someone car jacking my locked car.

Do you really think that’s what we’re referring to? Putting gas in the car? Five seconds with your hands on the car?

I carry my toddler and hold hands with my five year old to return the grocery cart because it’s a distance. It’s not hard.

How many arms do you have exactly? Because it takes two hands to steer a shopping cart, one arm to hold a toddler, two arms of said toddler wiggles, and another arm to hold onto the five year old.

I think kids are far safer in the car alone for ten seconds than being in a parking lot with cars backing out.