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Anonymous wrote:I think what PP is saying is that the current crop of Republicans who meet at Liberty U arent those old time Republicans who can be trusted with education policy. Sure, they may not go for CRT or VMPI, but they'll teach creationism and reclassify pi as being equal to 3.14.

Have you actually talked to any Republicans lately? What you just said sounds straight out of the Scopes Trial from 1925. That's old time Republicans.

have you seen who they have been nominating? The Rockefeller republicans who dominated in the suburbs and used to get elected to statewide offices are long gone. Now they have closed primaries in church parking lots

OK fair, the Virginia GOP has gone insane for some reason. You'd think they would want to win...

No, no, no, you don't understand the point of the GOP in Virginia and at the national level. They are a fake opposition. They don't want to win, they just want to lose gracefully. And because they don't want to win, they have no idea what to do if they actually win in spite of themselves.

It might help you to feel more kindly towards the Republican Party if you thought of them as the joke that they are - the Washington Generals to the Democrats Harlem Globetrotters - instead of as any kind of genuine threat. I realize this will be difficult for you to accept, just as it took me a long time to accept it as a former Republican.

The best thing for all concerned, Democrat and Republican alike, is to stop pretending there are actually two parties in this country.

As long as there are serious conservatives in this country, I'm going to continue to have hope for the return of a healthy conservatism, whether it's in the Republican party of elsewhere. America needs it, IMHO.

Hahahaha, there are not now, and have never been, "serious conservatives" in this country. It has always been a grift. They are selling false hope and narcissistic delusions designed to distract the gullible. Right now their grift is just about completely played out, as it is increasingly hard for them to dress up their failed and ineffective ideas as worthy of anyone's attention. I mean, even the stupidest yokels in flyover country are eventually going to notice that "conservatives" are just Slow Progressives who want the same things as liberals, but slightly less quickly. Whatever liberal advance they grumble about today, just wait a few years and you'll see a thoughtful article in National Review (a cruise line with a political website, what a joke) explaining that this actually represents the Essence of True Conservatism.

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I think a change like this makes a lot of sense (From the article):

Algebra II is frequently combined with trigonometry in the third year of high school math. It covers linear equations, functions, exponential and logarithmic expressions and other topics. It is required for graduation in 20 states (not including Virginia) and the District of Columbia. But math education experts such as Phil Daro and Harold Asturias have suggested giving students the option of taking data science or quantitative reasoning instead.

I also like the idea of teaching math more conceptually/providing more of the theory behind it.

This would mean Algebra 2 is not covered by 10th grade and kids would not be able to take calculus in high school. VMPI is giving assurances that algebra 2 is part of Math 8-10, but I think it is more likely algebra 2 is being mostly dropped. They originally had precalculus as just a half year course, and have said in the videos that it really isn't needed in high school.

My kid does not need calculus and will not be heading in a STEM direction. I'd rather they have the option for something they may actually encounter in the real world and basic data analytics/quantitative reasoning is that IMO. quoted text even says it would an OPTION, not elimination of Algebra II altogether.

That’s a pity. I hope s/he reconsiders. I think of exposure to calculus to be something we should provide to everyone. It is so fundamental to how we understand the world these days. If your kid is reasonably academically capable, I would encourage them to take an intro calc course somewhere along their educational journey just so they understand how science is put together.

I teach HS math and I completely disagree with this statement. Statistics is orders of magnitude more useful for most people, who will have absolutely zero use for calculus the rest of their lives.

When do you "need" literature? When do you "need" a foreign language? I happen to think that a fully educated person should have some exposure to calculus. Sure, you can take a research stats course that obscures the fundamental linkages to calculus. Or you can take physics or chemistry without calculus. But appreciating calculus would give you such a deeper understanding of the fields that make up modern technology. And I believe that those that can, should.

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I think a change like this makes a lot of sense (From the article):

Algebra II is frequently combined with trigonometry in the third year of high school math. It covers linear equations, functions, exponential and logarithmic expressions and other topics. It is required for graduation in 20 states (not including Virginia) and the District of Columbia. But math education experts such as Phil Daro and Harold Asturias have suggested giving students the option of taking data science or quantitative reasoning instead.

I also like the idea of teaching math more conceptually/providing more of the theory behind it.

This would mean Algebra 2 is not covered by 10th grade and kids would not be able to take calculus in high school. VMPI is giving assurances that algebra 2 is part of Math 8-10, but I think it is more likely algebra 2 is being mostly dropped. They originally had precalculus as just a half year course, and have said in the videos that it really isn't needed in high school.

My kid does not need calculus and will not be heading in a STEM direction. I'd rather they have the option for something they may actually encounter in the real world and basic data analytics/quantitative reasoning is that IMO. quoted text even says it would an OPTION, not elimination of Algebra II altogether.

That’s a pity. I hope s/he reconsiders. I think of exposure to calculus to be something we should provide to everyone. It is so fundamental to how we understand the world these days. If your kid is reasonably academically capable, I would encourage them to take an intro calc course somewhere along their educational journey just so they understand how science is put together.

I teach HS math and I completely disagree with this statement. Statistics is orders of magnitude more useful for most people, who will have absolutely zero use for calculus the rest of their lives.

Thank you. I am the PP with the non-STEM kid and I could not agree more. I ended up taking calculus in college (didn't in HS b/c the teacher changed my senior year) and not only did I not understand it, I barely passed despite having a tutor and taking advantage of every extra help I could get. I have never thought of it once since then. I went to law school and now have a career in national security. I don't need calculus, but I will tell you what would be helpful in the current climate - a basic understanding of data science/data analytics, and the tools used for modeling. With the advent of AI/ML, many complex processes are going to be automated. So if your kid wants to be a mathematician, scientist, engineer, or in the medicine/hard sciences, go for it. My kid isn't going to do that and that's fine. This model of HS education remaining the same for generations will have to be examined as business processes undergo massive change in the near future.

Anonymous wrote:I think what PP is saying is that the current crop of Republicans who meet at Liberty U arent those old time Republicans who can be trusted with education policy. Sure, they may not go for CRT or VMPI, but they'll teach creationism and reclassify pi as being equal to 3.14.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't feel reassured at all, I just feel like they are waiting for the hysteria to die down and they will present the same exact thing again with slightly different words.

If they try it again, I'm sure someone will alert the community and the same reaction will play out again.

They are only backfracking now because of the election in November


After the dems win the state offices again, it is full speed ahead on this plan.

The dept of ed is just buying time to get through the election. After the dems win they can do whatever they want no matter what parents or math teachers want.

It’s very hard for Rs to sell the impression that they would take math education more seriously than their opponents while they meet at Liberty University.

Nice try.

Virginia had a world class education system when the state was run by Rs.

Since the fcps school board became democratic dominated, the fcps achievement gap between the haves and havs nots has grown tremendously. When Rs and centrist were in charge of the school board, all of the high schools were quality schools with high achievement.

The farther left the school board goes, the more segregated the district becomes and the chasm between schools like Lewis, Justice and Mt Vernon and schools in the rest of the county only grows deeper.

Just looking at results and outcome, a far left school board without a single voice of dissent and only one moderate (McLaughlin) has been very, very bad for the district and the students.

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I think a change like this makes a lot of sense (From the article):

Algebra II is frequently combined with trigonometry in the third year of high school math. It covers linear equations, functions, exponential and logarithmic expressions and other topics. It is required for graduation in 20 states (not including Virginia) and the District of Columbia. But math education experts such as Phil Daro and Harold Asturias have suggested giving students the option of taking data science or quantitative reasoning instead.

I also like the idea of teaching math more conceptually/providing more of the theory behind it.

This would mean Algebra 2 is not covered by 10th grade and kids would not be able to take calculus in high school. VMPI is giving assurances that algebra 2 is part of Math 8-10, but I think it is more likely algebra 2 is being mostly dropped. They originally had precalculus as just a half year course, and have said in the videos that it really isn't needed in high school.

My kid does not need calculus and will not be heading in a STEM direction. I'd rather they have the option for something they may actually encounter in the real world and basic data analytics/quantitative reasoning is that IMO. quoted text even says it would an OPTION, not elimination of Algebra II altogether.

That’s a pity. I hope s/he reconsiders. I think of exposure to calculus to be something we should provide to everyone. It is so fundamental to how we understand the world these days. If your kid is reasonably academically capable, I would encourage them to take an intro calc course somewhere along their educational journey just so they understand how science is put together.

I teach HS math and I completely disagree with this statement. Statistics is orders of magnitude more useful for most people, who will have absolutely zero use for calculus the rest of their lives.

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I think a change like this makes a lot of sense (From the article):

Algebra II is frequently combined with trigonometry in the third year of high school math. It covers linear equations, functions, exponential and logarithmic expressions and other topics. It is required for graduation in 20 states (not including Virginia) and the District of Columbia. But math education experts such as Phil Daro and Harold Asturias have suggested giving students the option of taking data science or quantitative reasoning instead.

I also like the idea of teaching math more conceptually/providing more of the theory behind it.

This would mean Algebra 2 is not covered by 10th grade and kids would not be able to take calculus in high school. VMPI is giving assurances that algebra 2 is part of Math 8-10, but I think it is more likely algebra 2 is being mostly dropped. They originally had precalculus as just a half year course, and have said in the videos that it really isn't needed in high school.

My kid does not need calculus and will not be heading in a STEM direction. I'd rather they have the option for something they may actually encounter in the real world and basic data analytics/quantitative reasoning is that IMO. quoted text even says it would an OPTION, not elimination of Algebra II altogether.

That’s a pity. I hope s/he reconsiders. I think of exposure to calculus to be something we should provide to everyone. It is so fundamental to how we understand the world these days. If your kid is reasonably academically capable, I would encourage them to take an intro calc course somewhere along their educational journey just so they understand how science is put together.

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I think a change like this makes a lot of sense (From the article):

Algebra II is frequently combined with trigonometry in the third year of high school math. It covers linear equations, functions, exponential and logarithmic expressions and other topics. It is required for graduation in 20 states (not including Virginia) and the District of Columbia. But math education experts such as Phil Daro and Harold Asturias have suggested giving students the option of taking data science or quantitative reasoning instead.

I also like the idea of teaching math more conceptually/providing more of the theory behind it.

This would mean Algebra 2 is not covered by 10th grade and kids would not be able to take calculus in high school. VMPI is giving assurances that algebra 2 is part of Math 8-10, but I think it is more likely algebra 2 is being mostly dropped. They originally had precalculus as just a half year course, and have said in the videos that it really isn't needed in high school.

My kid does not need calculus and will not be heading in a STEM direction. I'd rather they have the option for something they may actually encounter in the real world and basic data analytics/quantitative reasoning is that IMO. quoted text even says it would an OPTION, not elimination of Algebra II altogether.

That’s a pity. I hope s/he reconsiders. I think of exposure to calculus to be something we should provide to everyone. It is so fundamental to how we understand the world these days. If your kid is reasonably academically capable, I would encourage them to take an intro calc course somewhere along their educational journey just so they understand how science is put together.

I teach HS math and I completely disagree with this statement. Statistics is orders of magnitude more useful for most people, who will have absolutely zero use for calculus the rest of their lives.

When do you "need" literature? When do you "need" a foreign language? I happen to think that a fully educated person should have some exposure to calculus. Sure, you can take a research stats course that obscures the fundamental linkages to calculus. Or you can take physics or chemistry without calculus. But appreciating calculus would give you such a deeper understanding of the fields that make up modern technology. And I believe that those that can, should.

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I also like the idea of teaching math more conceptually/providing more of the theory behind it.

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When do you "need" literature? When do you "need" a foreign language? I happen to think that a fully educated person should have some exposure to calculus. Sure, you can take a research stats course that obscures the fundamental linkages to calculus. Or you can take physics or chemistry without calculus. But appreciating calculus would give you such a deeper understanding of the fields that make up modern technology. And I believe that those that can, should.

Just wow to the underlined. If that isn't the essence of coastal elitism...and it's not a good look.

Anonymous wrote:I think what PP is saying is that the current crop of Republicans who meet at Liberty U arent those old time Republicans who can be trusted with education policy. Sure, they may not go for CRT or VMPI, but they'll teach creationism and reclassify pi as being equal to 3.14.

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I think a change like this makes a lot of sense (From the article):

Algebra II is frequently combined with trigonometry in the third year of high school math. It covers linear equations, functions, exponential and logarithmic expressions and other topics. It is required for graduation in 20 states (not including Virginia) and the District of Columbia. But math education experts such as Phil Daro and Harold Asturias have suggested giving students the option of taking data science or quantitative reasoning instead.

I also like the idea of teaching math more conceptually/providing more of the theory behind it.

This would mean Algebra 2 is not covered by 10th grade and kids would not be able to take calculus in high school. VMPI is giving assurances that algebra 2 is part of Math 8-10, but I think it is more likely algebra 2 is being mostly dropped. They originally had precalculus as just a half year course, and have said in the videos that it really isn't needed in high school.

My kid does not need calculus and will not be heading in a STEM direction. I'd rather they have the option for something they may actually encounter in the real world and basic data analytics/quantitative reasoning is that IMO. quoted text even says it would an OPTION, not elimination of Algebra II altogether.