"gave it back"

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Republicans support retrocession, which would give DC residents representation. The issue is the number of senators, nothing more.

You’ll say DC and Maryland have nothing in common, but that’s true for most states. The urban/rural divide is everywhere and cities also compete for influence within a state. Retrocession would make DC/Maryland the economic powerhouse of the region and reduce Va’s influence. Keeping DC and md separate works in Va’s favor.

Have you wondered why there is a Virginia and a West Virginia? Or maybe why there are two Dakotas? Or why Wyoming, Idaho and Montana are three different states? The issue is the number of senators.

You called it right. How about we consolidate all of the red states into one that equals California and call it a day?

Absolutely, let's consolidate Virginia and West Virginia; the Dakotas; Wyoming and Montana - and then I will absolutely agree to retrocession into Maryland. Obvi, Kristi Noem is killing off as many S. Dakotans as she can, so "New Dakota" is gonna be hella-Ghost Town, but what-evs.

Actually, Alexandria used to be part of DC until they gave it back to Va.

Anonymous wrote:I’m not usually a fan of drinking liberal tears but man this thread is delicious.

I'm glad you find our continued status as serfs enjoyable. Do you also like frying ants with a magnifying glass or are you more of a pulling wings off of bugs kind of person?

As pp said: there is no principled argument against statehood.

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DC needs to be a state.

It's a no-brainer.

Shame on Manchin.

Then it can be part of Maryland. Like it was originally.

And Maryland already has congressional representation.

Problem solved.

Nope. Maryland doesn't want DC and DC has its own culture and identity; doesn't want to be part of Maryland.

Every state has urban/rural divide and even cities with different cultures. That’s part of being a state.

Right, but DC and MD are different jurisdictions, different laws, different cultures. That is why DC should be a state. It isn't as simple as suggesting Chicago should its own state seperate from Illinois.

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Anonymous wrote:Any other DC liberals out there who would rather just not pay federal taxes? No? Just me?

That would never happen. We pay more federal taxes in the aggregate than 22 other states and the highest rate in the nation per capita. Parasitic red states like West Virginia would never agree to give up those tax receipts.

That’s because DC is wealthy. DC pays the same tax rates as everyone else. This argument has never made sense to me.

It doesn't make sense that the people who contribute more than nearly half the states should have zero say as to how those dollars are spent? But you're happy to keep taking our money, right?

Your argument implies if DC was poor and contributed less than other states that it would not be worthy of statehood. Dollars to the Treasury should not be the basis for statehood.

No, the implication is that taxation deserves representation, and DC residents' contribution is commensurate with those of other states. There is no principled argument against DC statehood. The boundaries of the federal zone required by the constitution are not defined in the constitution, and new states have obviously been added with regularity and for a variety of reasons. The sole reason republicans don't want DC to be a state is because the population is liberal. The intellectual and moral void behind this position is clear from the arguments made in favor of it ("there are no extractive industries in DC," "there aren't enough car dealerships in DC," "DC residents basically have representation because sometimes members of congress have to drive past their lawn signs").

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Anonymous wrote:Any other DC liberals out there who would rather just not pay federal taxes? No? Just me?

That would never happen. We pay more federal taxes in the aggregate than 22 other states and the highest rate in the nation per capita. Parasitic red states like West Virginia would never agree to give up those tax receipts.

That’s because DC is wealthy. DC pays the same tax rates as everyone else. This argument has never made sense to me.

It doesn't make sense that the people who contribute more than nearly half the states should have zero say as to how those dollars are spent? But you're happy to keep taking our money, right?

Your argument implies if DC was poor and contributed less than other states that it would not be worthy of statehood. Dollars to the Treasury should not be the basis for statehood.

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Anonymous wrote:Any other DC liberals out there who would rather just not pay federal taxes? No? Just me?

That would never happen. We pay more federal taxes in the aggregate than 22 other states and the highest rate in the nation per capita. Parasitic red states like West Virginia would never agree to give up those tax receipts.

That’s because DC is wealthy. DC pays the same tax rates as everyone else. This argument has never made sense to me.

It doesn't make sense that the people who contribute more than nearly half the states should have zero say as to how those dollars are spent? But you're happy to keep taking our money, right?

I’m not usually a fan of drinking liberal tears but man this thread is delicious.

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Anonymous wrote:Any other DC liberals out there who would rather just not pay federal taxes? No? Just me?

That would never happen. We pay more federal taxes in the aggregate than 22 other states and the highest rate in the nation per capita. Parasitic red states like West Virginia would never agree to give up those tax receipts.

That’s because DC is wealthy. DC pays the same tax rates as everyone else. This argument has never made sense to me.

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DC needs to be a state.

It's a no-brainer.

Shame on Manchin.

Then it can be part of Maryland. Like it was originally.

And Maryland already has congressional representation.

Problem solved.

Nope. Maryland doesn't want DC and DC has its own culture and identity; doesn't want to be part of Maryland.

Every state has urban/rural divide and even cities with different cultures. That’s part of being a state.

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Republicans support retrocession, which would give DC residents representation. The issue is the number of senators, nothing more.

You’ll say DC and Maryland have nothing in common, but that’s true for most states. The urban/rural divide is everywhere and cities also compete for influence within a state. Retrocession would make DC/Maryland the economic powerhouse of the region and reduce Va’s influence. Keeping DC and md separate works in Va’s favor.

Have you wondered why there is a Virginia and a West Virginia? Or maybe why there are two Dakotas? Or why Wyoming, Idaho and Montana are three different states? The issue is the number of senators.

You called it right. How about we consolidate all of the red states into one that equals California and call it a day?

Absolutely, let's consolidate Virginia and West Virginia; the Dakotas; Wyoming and Montana - and then I will absolutely agree to retrocession into Maryland. Obvi, Kristi Noem is killing off as many S. Dakotans as she can, so "New Dakota" is gonna be hella-Ghost Town, but what-evs.

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Anonymous wrote:Joe has just told 700,000 Washingtonians not to spend their tourism dollars in his state.

Yup. Im done with WV ehich goes along with my ongoing boycott of the Eastern Shore because of Andy Harris.

Don't shit on your neighbors.

I’m sure the good people of WV will be just devastated to know that you won’t be pulling up to the local Sheetz in Martinsburg and asking where the Tesla fast charging station is. I guess they’ll just have to go through life knowing one less DC bubble-dweller might not go tubing on the Shenandoah and chuckle about how backwards and racist the locals are.

I don't care what the bad people of WV thibi anymore. That's my point, I'm done giving a crap about them

They are one of the poorest states in the country and they depend on DMV tourist dollars

Not all dem senators agree that it should be a state, Manchin is not the only one. So you would probably need about 65 senators.

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DC needs to be a state.

It's a no-brainer.

Shame on Manchin.

Then it can be part of Maryland. Like it was originally.

And Maryland already has congressional representation.

Problem solved.

Nope. Maryland doesn't want DC and DC has its own culture and identity; doesn't want to be part of Maryland.

Sucks for them then, because they’re not going to be a state without a Constitutional amendment.

Why not? get 60 votes in the senate and it will happen, or 50+1 post filibuster. It doesn't require a constitutional amendment. Creating West Virginia from Virginia didn't require one either.