Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:48
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
So a losing team is better in development? Isn't it possible a winning team is winning because of development?
It’s very important to recognize/understand why or how a team wins. If it’s winning with a bunch of big/fast players that plays kick & run, then no. There’s no development. If on the other hand, a team is wins due to proper skills, build up, etc. then it’s true development.
You wrote that parent's confuse winning with development and hence the high rank team. Im just putting it out there that some clubs/teams do develop and in fact many clubs that do poorly keep the motto winning isnt everything to try to keep the flock from leaving. At some point you have to realize that maybe your team isn't developing and also losing instead of "we lost but at least our kids are developing better". Not all winners kick and run. If you're on a losing team and thats what you tell yourself fine but dont spread that winning has no development.
I stopped reading your post the minute you ASSUME that my DC is on a losing team. Enjoy your kick & run fame.
Sounds to me like you ARE on a losing team
keep paying for that development
Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:46
Subject: Re:Player development is a myth
Center mids are the quarterbacks of the team. They really have to be smart. It's proven their IQ is higher/faster processing speed.
Both my kids are center mids and so was I. They both have over 4.3 gpas at tough private school and barely study. I've seen some really technical kids with speed that just suck at center mid. They can't think ahead or process the field that fast
My son is a center mid, and I like to think that he's smart, but I do't think that correlates with academic GPA at all. My son has dyslexia and ADHD, and school is not his thing. He's on a high-level team, and it doesnt seem to affect him at soccer.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:40
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
So a losing team is better in development? Isn't it possible a winning team is winning because of development?
It’s very important to recognize/understand why or how a team wins. If it’s winning with a bunch of big/fast players that plays kick & run, then no. There’s no development. If on the other hand, a team is wins due to proper skills, build up, etc. then it’s true development.
You wrote that parent's confuse winning with development and hence the high rank team. Im just putting it out there that some clubs/teams do develop and in fact many clubs that do poorly keep the motto winning isnt everything to try to keep the flock from leaving. At some point you have to realize that maybe your team isn't developing and also losing instead of "we lost but at least our kids are developing better". Not all winners kick and run. If you're on a losing team and thats what you tell yourself fine but dont spread that winning has no development.
I stopped reading your post the minute you ASSUME that my DC is on a losing team. Enjoy your kick & run fame.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:22
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
So a losing team is better in development? Isn't it possible a winning team is winning because of development?
It’s very important to recognize/understand why or how a team wins. If it’s winning with a bunch of big/fast players that plays kick & run, then no. There’s no development. If on the other hand, a team is wins due to proper skills, build up, etc. then it’s true development.
You wrote that parent's confuse winning with development and hence the high rank team. Im just putting it out there that some clubs/teams do develop and in fact many clubs that do poorly keep the motto winning isnt everything to try to keep the flock from leaving. At some point you have to realize that maybe your team isn't developing and also losing instead of "we lost but at least our kids are developing better". Not all winners kick and run. If you're on a losing team and thats what you tell yourself fine but dont spread that winning has no development.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:14
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
How do you coach soccer iq? It’s like hitting a fast ball. Some player have it and other do not.
You’re kidding, right? How do you teach calculus?
+1. Soccer IQ is decision-making. Do you think elite soccer players are born with soccer IQ. Great players spend a lot of time watching game films of their team but mostly of their opponents. This is true with any team sports (football, basketball, etc.)
Center mids are the quarterbacks of the team. They really have to be smart. It's proven their IQ is higher/faster processing speed.
Both my kids are center mids and so was I. They both have over 4.3 gpas at tough private school and barely study. I've seen some really technical kids with speed that just suck at center mid. They can't think ahead or process the field that fast.
Soccer IQ is learned via teaching, learning from game films and lots of playing time. Heck, even playing FIFA video games help. But what helps the most is a player that has great technical skills & first touch so that they are able to look up and know where their teammates & opponents are.
^ I forgot to add that skills, particularly, being able to pass with either foot with the proper pace and accuracy to a teammate.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:12
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
So a losing team is better in development? Isn't it possible a winning team is winning because of development?
It’s very important to recognize/understand why or how a team wins. If it’s winning with a bunch of big/fast players that plays kick & run, then no. There’s no development. If on the other hand, a team is wins due to proper skills, build up, etc. then it’s true development.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 11:09
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
How do you coach soccer iq? It’s like hitting a fast ball. Some player have it and other do not.
You’re kidding, right? How do you teach calculus?
+1. Soccer IQ is decision-making. Do you think elite soccer players are born with soccer IQ. Great players spend a lot of time watching game films of their team but mostly of their opponents. This is true with any team sports (football, basketball, etc.)
Center mids are the quarterbacks of the team. They really have to be smart. It's proven their IQ is higher/faster processing speed.
Both my kids are center mids and so was I. They both have over 4.3 gpas at tough private school and barely study. I've seen some really technical kids with speed that just suck at center mid. They can't think ahead or process the field that fast.
Soccer IQ is learned via teaching, learning from game films and lots of playing time. Heck, even playing FIFA video games help. But what helps the most is a player that has great technical skills & first touch so that they are able to look up and know where their teammates & opponents are.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 10:12
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
So a losing team is better in development? Isn't it possible a winning team is winning because of development?
Anonymous
04/29/2021 10:04
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nice discussions about coaches and soccer iq. But the original premise of this thread was that the clubs with the most consistently good teams, year after year, are those which do the best to attract good players.
Agree and the attraction is a combo of even more development, opportunity to win, opportunity to be scouted and compete for college or pro level, family’s financial capacity and the club’s ability to meet it, whether kid will be starter or sub, commute. Every family and player will weight each of these differently but on balance the big and successful clubs will be attractive on all of these factors.
Most players who are U9 at top clubs are not their starters at U16. But that does not mean player development is a myth. It just means some clubs are recruiting platforms and factories, and rely on others to develop the kids they import. A few clubs do pretty well in developing and improving their kids. We all know who they are. You have a lot of parents who think this is like college admission - if admitted as a first year, you will be there for graduation. Not really. Not at top clubs.
Yeah a lot of us left for 5-6 years, developed and came back at u15/16.
I see this a lot. Kids that left for better youth development or that were being ignored...then come back many years later a world above those that stayed in 'name brand' club their entire youth. I also think it is really necessary in this area to experience different styles of play, different coaches and teammates. Things can get very stale and there is something to be said about having to prove yourself when you show up somewhere new vs gliding on your 9-year old reputation long past your skill.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 09:58
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
How do you coach soccer iq? It’s like hitting a fast ball. Some player have it and other do not.
You’re kidding, right? How do you teach calculus?
+1. Soccer IQ is decision-making. Do you think elite soccer players are born with soccer IQ. Great players spend a lot of time watching game films of their team but mostly of their opponents. This is true with any team sports (football, basketball, etc.)
Center mids are the quarterbacks of the team. They really have to be smart. It's proven their IQ is higher/faster processing speed.
Both my kids are center mids and so was I. They both have over 4.3 gpas at tough private school and barely study. I've seen some really technical kids with speed that just suck at center mid. They can't think ahead or process the field that fast.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 08:41
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
How do you coach soccer iq? It’s like hitting a fast ball. Some player have it and other do not.
You’re kidding, right? How do you teach calculus?
+1. Soccer IQ is decision-making. Do you think elite soccer players are born with soccer IQ. Great players spend a lot of time watching game films of their team but mostly of their opponents. This is true with any team sports (football, basketball, etc.)
Anonymous
04/29/2021 08:35
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
How do you coach soccer iq? It’s like hitting a fast ball. Some player have it and other do not.
You’re kidding, right? How do you teach calculus?
Anonymous
04/29/2021 08:31
Subject: Re:Player development is a myth
Parents (including me sometimes, I admit) internalize the results of youth games way too much.
I live in Europe now. My U-8 was on the business end of a ~20-0 drubbing by a team from a much bigger club. The 20th goal was celebrated just as hard as the first.
Nobody cared. Nobody was offended. Nobody was yelling at the other team's coach. And when I saw that nobody cared, it made it easier for me to not care (old American habits die hard).
Our team's coach just calmly reminded our little guys after every goal of how he wanted them to move when in possession and their responsibilities when defending (yes, tactics can be taught to U-8s). And the game went on.
I live in Europe now. My U-8 was on the business end of a ~20-0 drubbing by a team from a much bigger club. The 20th goal was celebrated just as hard as the first.
Nobody cared. Nobody was offended. Nobody was yelling at the other team's coach. And when I saw that nobody cared, it made it easier for me to not care (old American habits die hard).
Our team's coach just calmly reminded our little guys after every goal of how he wanted them to move when in possession and their responsibilities when defending (yes, tactics can be taught to U-8s). And the game went on.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 08:27
Subject: Player development is a myth
Anonymous wrote:It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
How do you coach soccer iq? It’s like hitting a fast ball. Some player have it and other do not.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 08:14
Subject: Player development is a myth
It’s purely Economics....Supply and Demand.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.
Parents strongly believe that winning is development. Hence, they look for high ranked teams with lots of wins.
Clubs/Coaches are supplying this demand by getting big, fast and athletic players to provide immediate wins and utilize kick & run tactics. Developing players takes a lot more effort and time which lots of parents comprehend so they leave.
Also, seasoned parents know that coaches don’t develop individual technical skills. Players have to learn and practice on their owner via private coaches. Team coaches works on team tactics, soccer IQ and passing.
Until parents all understand this, some coaches have not other choice then to supply immediate wins.