Anonymous
04/14/2021 13:23
Subject: Re:Help me gauge expectations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What difference does it make? Seriously? Now that I have a senior myself, I am even more baffled by all of this ranking stuff. I've been on hiring panels for 25 years now and had hiring authority for 15 years and college rank signals something but its not the only thing in the world, its not even one of the main things we are looking for.
There are 2 million college graduates each year. The "top 30" universities are not that big, usually under 10,000 students, so we're talking about how many total--maybe 60,000 kids in each class? The amount of time and energy and angst people -- parents -- spend, and put their kids through, over this stuff just amazes me. We have to prepare our kids to be functional adults!
Focusing on this one small thing, acceptance (not success!) at a certain small group of colleges is just crazy. I get that DCUM is a narrow lens, but it clearly consumes a lot of time and money in the DMV--look at real estate prices, look at school boundary discussions, look at private school tuition, look at how many tutoring companies there are. So much seems to be focused on getting kids into these schools, not on getting kids prepared for adulthood.
Should clarify -- my husband and I both went to top-10 (he would say he went to the #1) schools in the 90's, when it was not so crazy to get in. We were just smart kids from regular public schools. Now we work at places where all of our work peers have similar credentials and we hire out of those schools. But we are definitively not putting our kids into this rat race and neither of them have been motivated to do it themselves.
This is, at best, misguided. But more likely racist. Do better.
What! Are you joking?
-NP
Deciding you are only going hire people of the same background as you is racist.
Not the pp....Hiring out of top 10 schools that have all races is not racist, unless they specifically hire one race....You are a dolt.
Then it's classist. Still, do better.
No it isn't, it's selective, you do better.
You've decided that only people who went to certain schools get interviews. We know that getting into top schools these days is luck and, increasingly, pedigree (legacy). I shudder to think what the corporate culture is.
You can have geniuses below T10. But it’s hit or miss. In T10, employers pretty much rely on pre-screening done by T10 schools.
That is my point in this thread. There are thousands and thousands more bright kids than there are slots in the T10 schools. If you are an employer who only considers candidates from the T10 schools, then you are lazy and an idiot. (I mean, it works for a couple of consulting and finance companies, but their business model doesn't care about people as individuals anyhow.) If you actually want employees who add to your organization, you need to look for talent, which can come from other schools -- because not every kid gets into the T10. So, following that logic, why kill yourself (as a parent) and push your kid and spend all that money to focus on T10 or T30 admissions when, at the end of the day, there are thousands of employers and thousands of jobs that will look at your kid as a smart person and not the winner of an admissions lottery?
Anonymous
04/14/2021 13:19
Subject: Re:Help me gauge expectations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What difference does it make? Seriously? Now that I have a senior myself, I am even more baffled by all of this ranking stuff. I've been on hiring panels for 25 years now and had hiring authority for 15 years and college rank signals something but its not the only thing in the world, its not even one of the main things we are looking for.
There are 2 million college graduates each year. The "top 30" universities are not that big, usually under 10,000 students, so we're talking about how many total--maybe 60,000 kids in each class? The amount of time and energy and angst people -- parents -- spend, and put their kids through, over this stuff just amazes me. We have to prepare our kids to be functional adults!
Focusing on this one small thing, acceptance (not success!) at a certain small group of colleges is just crazy. I get that DCUM is a narrow lens, but it clearly consumes a lot of time and money in the DMV--look at real estate prices, look at school boundary discussions, look at private school tuition, look at how many tutoring companies there are. So much seems to be focused on getting kids into these schools, not on getting kids prepared for adulthood.
Should clarify -- my husband and I both went to top-10 (he would say he went to the #1) schools in the 90's, when it was not so crazy to get in. We were just smart kids from regular public schools. Now we work at places where all of our work peers have similar credentials and we hire out of those schools. But we are definitively not putting our kids into this rat race and neither of them have been motivated to do it themselves.
You start with "what difference does it make" and you finish by saying that you hire out of the top 10 schools you went to. I guess that is the difference it makes!
We don't only hire out of those schools, I said at the beginning what college you went to is not much of a factor for us at all. Allegheny, Gettysburg, Reed, Bennington, Earlham--none of them are ranked that highly but they are all good schools and I have hired great people from them based on their interviews, writing samples, and references.
WAIT? Those are what you consider "Top 10" schools? Sorry I called you racist. You're just clueless.
OMG. No. We hire out of the Ivies and top 10 SLACs. We ALSO hire out of many other schools, including state schools and colleges like those listed above, because we DON'T CARE WHAT SCHOOL YOU WENT TO IF YOU ARE SMART AND CAPABLE.
And my original point was, if I'm raising my kid to be smart and capable....which is in and of itself a chore....I don't get the fixation on certain schools unless I also envision a very specific, narrow career path (which is not my choice....it's my kid's). I know that, to a degree, better credentials = more options. But it does not seem worth the insane level of anxiety and pressure that parents put on themselves and their kids around here. I work with people who went through all that, and plenty of people who did not, and in adulthood we all seem about the same. So what was the point of making high school so stressful?
Anonymous
04/14/2021 13:15
Subject: Re:Help me gauge expectations
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What difference does it make? Seriously? Now that I have a senior myself, I am even more baffled by all of this ranking stuff. I've been on hiring panels for 25 years now and had hiring authority for 15 years and college rank signals something but its not the only thing in the world, its not even one of the main things we are looking for.
There are 2 million college graduates each year. The "top 30" universities are not that big, usually under 10,000 students, so we're talking about how many total--maybe 60,000 kids in each class? The amount of time and energy and angst people -- parents -- spend, and put their kids through, over this stuff just amazes me. We have to prepare our kids to be functional adults!
Focusing on this one small thing, acceptance (not success!) at a certain small group of colleges is just crazy. I get that DCUM is a narrow lens, but it clearly consumes a lot of time and money in the DMV--look at real estate prices, look at school boundary discussions, look at private school tuition, look at how many tutoring companies there are. So much seems to be focused on getting kids into these schools, not on getting kids prepared for adulthood.
Should clarify -- my husband and I both went to top-10 (he would say he went to the #1) schools in the 90's, when it was not so crazy to get in. We were just smart kids from regular public schools. Now we work at places where all of our work peers have similar credentials and we hire out of those schools. But we are definitively not putting our kids into this rat race and neither of them have been motivated to do it themselves.
This is, at best, misguided. But more likely racist. Do better.
What! Are you joking?
-NP
Deciding you are only going hire people of the same background as you is racist.
Not the pp....Hiring out of top 10 schools that have all races is not racist, unless they specifically hire one race....You are a dolt.
Then it's classist. Still, do better.
No it isn't, it's selective, you do better.
You've decided that only people who went to certain schools get interviews. We know that getting into top schools these days is luck and, increasingly, pedigree (legacy). I shudder to think what the corporate culture is.
You can have geniuses below T10. But it’s hit or miss. In T10, employers pretty much rely on pre-screening done by T10 schools.