Obviously they are not speaking with a high school kids while they are at work on other responsibilities. You think these kids just show up when they please and have access to these people. You are tiresome and dense.

Anonymous wrote:Sure, but how would you feel as a parent paying $60-70k for your kid to attend a college having the academic staff (whose salaries you are paying) using their work time to tutor non-paying high school students.

I would feel "awesome, the professors at my kids college get it and are passionate about their work and don't just punch in and punch out".

I guess that is the difference between you and I.

/ps I don't "pay their salaries", I pay tuition.

Anonymous wrote:You are exaggerating what is going on.

I bet that college instructors in any discipline are not with your college student 24/7.

Do you have any kids in high level youth sports? These clubs always have college level staff of one kind or another making money on the side and they are present for hours at a time week in and week out. Why are they not devoting every minute to their college athletes.

Lots of teachers also tutor on the side.

I know a college employee that has the nerve to volunteer at our local food pantry.

You may want them devoting every waking hour to your kid but that is not realistic.

I said "work time".

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Anonymous wrote:I think you are over estimating how much time the mentors have available to speak with a high school student. It is nothing like taking a course or at least it was not for mine.

And there are more structured programs available in the summers at some colleges but they cost a fortune. A very few are funded but those are too competitive to get access. I don't think my high school has ever gotten a child into one of the funded programs. They seem to take students from the same old high schools every year....there must be some connections or something.

So on the one hand, mentoring by university professors is incredibly important for helping a kid into an ivy league school, while on the other hand it's hardly any time at all (so all hype on a CV)?

I am not sure if it is "incredibly important". A small number if kids do it at our public high school and some have been admitted to ivy league schools. But so have some musicians, and athletes, and robotics kids and writers.

I do know it it a valuable and challenging experience as are many other pursuits.

You are exaggerating what is going on.

I bet that college instructors in any discipline are not with your college student 24/7.

Do you have any kids in high level youth sports? These clubs always have college level staff of one kind or another making money on the side and they are present for hours at a time week in and week out. Why are they not devoting every minute to their college athletes.

Lots of teachers also tutor on the side.

I know a college employee that has the nerve to volunteer at our local food pantry.

You may want them devoting every waking hour to your kid but that is not realistic.

Anonymous wrote:I think you are over estimating how much time the mentors have available to speak with a high school student. It is nothing like taking a course or at least it was not for mine.

And there are more structured programs available in the summers at some colleges but they cost a fortune. A very few are funded but those are too competitive to get access. I don't think my high school has ever gotten a child into one of the funded programs. They seem to take students from the same old high schools every year....there must be some connections or something.

So on the one hand, mentoring by university professors is incredibly important for helping a kid into an ivy league school, while on the other hand it's hardly any time at all (so all hype on a CV)?

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Anonymous wrote:Call me cynical, but if a high school kid wants a university experience, they can do dual enrollment at community college or graduate from high school early. Having to do a university mentorship just seems to be adding to the college applications arms race. I'm glad that your kid wasn't taking away from tuition paying university students who may need this mentoring experience much more to apply to grad school or med school.

Some kids are interested in science research. It is not a required course and there is nothing wrong with a kid pursuing an interest. Not every kid want to spend their time throwing a lacrosse ball around or sitting at a piano.

Sure, but how would you feel as a parent paying $60-70k for your kid to attend a college having the academic staff (whose salaries you are paying) using their work time to tutor non-paying high school students.

Anonymous wrote:Call me cynical, but if a high school kid wants a university experience, they can do dual enrollment at community college or graduate from high school early. Having to do a university mentorship just seems to be adding to the college applications arms race. I'm glad that your kid wasn't taking away from tuition paying university students who may need this mentoring experience much more to apply to grad school or med school.

Some kids are interested in science research. It is not a required course and there is nothing wrong with a kid pursuing an interest. Not every kid want to spend their time throwing a lacrosse ball around or sitting at a piano.

I think you are over estimating how much time the mentors have available to speak with a high school student. It is nothing like taking a course or at least it was not for mine.

And there are more structured programs available in the summers at some colleges but they cost a fortune. A very few are funded but those are too competitive to get access. I don't think my high school has ever gotten a child into one of the funded programs. They seem to take students from the same old high schools every year....there must be some connections or something.

Call me cynical, but if a high school kid wants a university experience, they can do dual enrollment at community college or graduate from high school early. Having to do a university mentorship just seems to be adding to the college applications arms race. I'm glad that your kid wasn't taking away from tuition paying university students who may need this mentoring experience much more to apply to grad school or med school.

I only know that my DCs mentor did teach both undergraduates and graduate students. I can't speak for them the mentor was amazing to agree to help DC but could not offer extensive time. DC had to work through many issues on own and seek out some additional resources for certain problems.

For example, the mentor might mention or explain conceptually a strategy for analyzing the data but DC had to learn on own something about a programming language and how to manipulate the data. DC needed to find a different resource for assistance with that.

There is also a science research teacher in the high school that DC has for a half credit course each semester. This person teaches them the basics of research methodology.

It can be a very challenging process. There was a lot of frustration and doubt to overcome along the way and mine had to be very resourceful to make progress. The mentor does not hold their hands, or did not in the case of my DC.

But overall, it was a significant growth and learning opportunity.

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I'm a professor that mentored an Asian-American student this year as part of her AP Research class. She got into an Ivy. Exceptional student and interesting research project.

My DS is a rising freshman and will be doing Research Biology in 9th grade. Please do you have recommendations on how to go about finding a mentor for a research project and also how to pick a topic? I am not sure if the topic is already provided by teacher.

OP here. I would suggest emailing a few professors in the Biology department of nearby universities. The student emailed me and asked if I would be interested in mentoring her. She provided information about my role and expectations as a AP Research mentor, timeline and proposed research topic. I was impressed by the student's email and clearly the student read some of my publications before approaching me. I was happy to mentor a promising student and will continue to help them present and/or publish her research.

I'm wondering if mentoring efforts should focus on students at university rather than young outsiders.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivies don't have ED.

That would be surprising news to all the kids admitted ED this year to Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Penn and Columbia.

Sorry, I don’t count those as Ivies — I think Harvard, Princeton and Yale. I forget there are others!

Can not a poster of HYP caliber come up with a better insult than that? Please do better if you intend to represent your precious triumvirate.

Ivy League admisssions for the class of 2025 :

Harvard 3.3%
Yale 4.3 %
Princeton 3.98%
Columbia 3.66%

Brown 5.6%
Dartmouth 5.8%

Penn 5.6%

Cornell - not yet released

Ivy League admisssions for the class of 2025 :

Harvard 3.3%
Columbia 3.66%
Princeton 3.98%

Yale 4.3 %

Brown 5.6%
Penn 5.6%
Dartmouth 5.8%


Cornell - not yet released

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Anonymous wrote:My DD was a great all arounder (academics, sports, ECs) similar to so many of your kids. But being a Navy ROTC scholarship recipient is what tipped the scales. Every school that has a program needs to fill their ranks. It is akin to athletic recruitment.

+1

ROTC is an in.. Consider service - so many benefits.

Which Ivy has an ROTC program? I thought most outlawed recruiters on campus awhile back.

Cornell has all three branches. Princeton has Army/Air Force. Not sure about the others.

Brown, too.

Army is not on campus. It is at Providence. I think same for Air Force. It is a quick Google search.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivies don't have ED.

That would be surprising news to all the kids admitted ED this year to Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell, Penn and Columbia.

Sorry, I don’t count those as Ivies — I think Harvard, Princeton and Yale. I forget there are others!

Can not a poster of HYP caliber come up with a better insult than that? Please do better if you intend to represent your precious triumvirate.

Ivy League admisssions for the class of 2025 :

Harvard 3.3%
Yale 4.3 %
Princeton 3.98%
Columbia 3.66%

Brown 5.6%
Dartmouth 5.8%

Penn 5.6%

Cornell - not yet released