Anonymous
04/10/2021 14:18
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.
They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."
Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.
Arguing with the cops is stupid.
You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.
So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.
Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.
Again they aggressively gave conflicting commands. They approached him in an unprofessional manner. The supervisor was apologetic but patronizing and they let him go without even a ticket because he did nothing wrong. The older officer also threatens to ruin his military career by falsifying what happened during the encounter.
White racists really love to gaslight black people, accusing them of just not following orders even with video footage stating otherwise (i.e. Philando Castile).
Let me guess, you think Chauvin should be acquitted?
Ah, we are back to calling people racists without any evidence whatsoever.
BTW, the second officer is named "Gutierrez," so... doesn't quite fit the narrative of the omg -white- small town cop.
My evidence is your comments.
Do you really think a white person with a Spanish last name can't be racist or anti-black? Try visiting Miami.
I have no problem believing someone of any race could be racist, but absent evidence that they are racist I don't assume it.
The point is you and others obsessed with race want the cops to be white because it allows you to vilify them more easily. "Hispanic cop pulls over black motorist" just does have the same ring to it for you and we both know it.
Both cops are white. One is a white Hispanic. The driver is an Afro-Latino. Plenty of white Hispanic cops have shot black people, like Philando Castile's killer. Here is a link to colorism/racism in the Latino community for your education.
https://hiplatina.com/colorism-within-the-latino-community/
The cops vilified themselves with their demonic behavior. I'm just calling it out.
Ah, "demonic," I kind of wondered what would come after calling everyone racist was no longer sufficiently strong invective.
Good to know that white Hispanics are plenty white enough when they need to be to fit the narrative.
White Hispanics have always been white. I don't think you understand that your race can't be Hispanic. Hispanic just means he is of Spanish-speaking origin. He is clearly a white man from the picture I posted.
You called a military officer an idiot for asking why he was pulled over and not immediately responding to conflicting demands but your moral compass comes out strong when I call a racist, overzealous, power-hungry cop 'demonic'.
Seriously, racist, demonic. What do you call someone that is actually doing something clearly in the wrong?
Anonymous
04/10/2021 14:15
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
They gave him no reason for approaching him. They just started barking orders in the most aggressive way possible. You clearly are white, aren't you?
I think we definitely need to find more ways to introduce race into this. After all, isn't everything about race?
Yes, yes it is. Every single institution in this country is built on the foundation of white supremacy/superiority and it's time to dismantle oppressive institutional, systemic racism.
Of course everything, everyone, everywhere, racist.
It is amazing you have survived this long in such a horrible racist place.
My ancestors survived hundreds of years of slavery so yes I have survival in my blood.
There is nobody alive today whose ancestors didn't survive many trials that they might not have.
My ancestors hunted mammoths with stone tipped spears, and I often deal with traffic on my way to the grocery store. We all face our own trials in our own times I guess.
This is the whitest response I've ever heard. My ancestors hunted wild animals as well because it was simply before technology but that's not hundreds of years of slavery. You're white so your ancestors did not go through that, mine did and relatiely recently than hunting mammoths.
I also cannot believe you are comparing slavery and Jim Crow to hunting for food and car traffic. White people intentionally dumb themselves down when discussing racism and racial bias, it's so embarassing.
You actually came pretty close on the analogy, so credit where due I guess.
The hunting mammoths part was slavery.
Driving to the store in traffic is the modern "racism" you are surviving.
See how it works? You said your ancestors survived slavery. My ancestors hunted mammoths. That is the parallel.
The modern part is traffic, and "systemic racism. "
Get it now?
Anonymous
04/10/2021 14:14
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.
They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."
Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.
Arguing with the cops is stupid.
You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.
So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.
Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.
Again they aggressively gave conflicting commands. They approached him in an unprofessional manner. The supervisor was apologetic but patronizing and they let him go without even a ticket because he did nothing wrong. The older officer also threatens to ruin his military career by falsifying what happened during the encounter.
White racists really love to gaslight black people, accusing them of just not following orders even with video footage stating otherwise (i.e. Philando Castile).
Let me guess, you think Chauvin should be acquitted?
Ah, we are back to calling people racists without any evidence whatsoever.
BTW, the second officer is named "Gutierrez," so... doesn't quite fit the narrative of the omg -white- small town cop.
My evidence is your comments.
Do you really think a white person with a Spanish last name can't be racist or anti-black? Try visiting Miami.
I have no problem believing someone of any race could be racist, but absent evidence that they are racist I don't assume it.
The point is you and others obsessed with race want the cops to be white because it allows you to vilify them more easily. "Hispanic cop pulls over black motorist" just does have the same ring to it for you and we both know it.
Both cops are white. One is a white Hispanic. The driver is an Afro-Latino. Plenty of white Hispanic cops have shot black people, like Philando Castile's killer. Here is a link to colorism/racism in the Latino community for your education.
https://hiplatina.com/colorism-within-the-latino-community/
The cops vilified themselves with their demonic behavior. I'm just calling it out.
Ah, "demonic," I kind of wondered what would come after calling everyone racist was no longer sufficiently strong invective.
Good to know that white Hispanics are plenty white enough when they need to be to fit the narrative.
White Hispanics have always been white. I don't think you understand that your race can't be Hispanic. Hispanic just means he is of Spanish-speaking origin. He is clearly a white man from the picture I posted.
You called a military officer an idiot for asking why he was pulled over and not immediately responding to conflicting demands but your moral compass comes out strong when I call a racist, overzealous, power-hungry cop 'demonic'.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 14:12
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:As is so often the case with these videos we don't know the full context. What we see in the video is a felony stop where the police officers are approaching the suspect with guns drawn and order the suspect to exit the vehicle. This is not the default approach to a routine traffic stop, which tells us something has transpired before the arrival of the officer wearing the body cam that we have video of.
The suspect is non-compliant and argues at length with the officers that he doesn't have to follow their directives, refuses to leave his vehicle, tells the police to "keep their hands off me," resists arrest, etc.
That the suspect is in the military and in uniform has nothing to do with anything.
Being in uniform doesn't change a thing when you are interacting with the police. Tons of service members get arrested off base for all manner of things in uniform and out. (and yes, largely for traffic violations, drunk driving, etc)
Characterizing this as "white cops harass and pepper spray black Army lieutenant," is characteristic of just how screwed up our society is on race relations right now.
Why insert race into this? Are white cops allowed to enforce the law? Are black army lieutenants obligated to follow the law and obey lawful directives when interacting with the police?
What if the police are -gasp- white, does a black army lieutenant still need to obey their commands at a traffic stop?
There is no evidence that race played a role in this interaction evident in the video.
Finally, he was not "attacked." He refused to comply with the police at length during a traffic stop. He was eventually pepper sprayed, which seemed to prompt him to at least get out of the car, after which point he refused to cooperate further and resisted arrest, before finally being taken into custody. The one officer should be counseled on his language, but this is hardly a case of police brutality.
All the suspect had to do was get out of the car and cooperate.
White apologists like you are why we have such a race problem in this country. Between the article and the video we have the context that you deny.
The officers reported the driver was pulled over for a mistaken lack of a rear license plate. The driver, being a minority, was fearful of what would happen in a dark area, so he drove to a well-lit area and parked under a light as is shown in the video. The officers called this "eluding police" even though he drove slowly and parked. The police spokesman spoke with quotes from the two officers. When asked about the driver's decision to drive to a well-lit area, the second officer acknowledged that the driver's decision to drive to a well-lit area happens "a lot and 80% of the time, it's a minority." In other words, people who are fearful for what happens and want to make sure that the body cam footage can be seen clearly. The officers admitted that by the time he stopped under the light, the license was clearly visible.
So, by the time the vehicle had stopped, they had determined that the pull-over for a missing rear license plate was false. They had determined that the driver's action were completely normal, especially for a minority driver and were not evidence of "eluding police". In other words, there were no violations of law, there were no violations of traffic regulations. It was an ordinary traffic stop. In an ordinary traffic stop, the officers should have had a standard two point stop. In fact, looking at the body cam footage, you can see that the second officer (the one with the body cam) did in fact spread out and approach with a clean shot at the winow and the first officer approached from the rear staying out of the second officers line of sight to the driver. The driver complied with the command to put his hands out the window and was trying to talk to the officers. At that point, they could have spoken to him, but they would not allow him to speak at all, instead only barking out "get out of the vehicle". Let me ask the white readers here who have been stopped for a traffic violation how many times they have been stopped and order to put their hands out the window and get out of the vehicle without being able to talk to the detaining officer? I'm Asian and have been driving for almost 40 years. I've been stopped a handful of time for things from moving violations (speeding, not stopping at a stop sign) and simple problems like a tail light out. In the evening cases, I also drove to a well-lit area. I have never once been asked to put my hands out of the vehicle and never once have been asked to exit the vehicle. Normally I roll down the window, the office approaches, I greet them formally and they explain what the stop is for, ask for my identification and registraition information.
The driver was acting calmly, kept his hands visible and asked to please talk to the officers, but they would not even give him the respect to listen to him. He said when he was told to exit the vehicle that he was afraid to unbuckle his seat belt and they only barked at him to exit the vehicle and told him he had a reason to "be afraid". Yes, the reason he had to be afraid was that he was a minority being targetted for "driving while black" and these officers had no intention of treating him fairly.
And, you, PP, are so clearly operating from a position of white privilege. Your entire posting reeks of white privilege. You can see clear racism here, unfair treatement of a minority with a minority who has said that he is afraid to even reach for his seat belt, is afraid to pull his hands into his car and all you can say is that he deserved to be pepper-sprayed.
White people like you are exactly why we have a race problem in the US.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 14:11
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult. they told him both to show his hands AND unbuckle his seatbelt, which would have meant potentially reaching for a gun...conflicting "orders" what was he supposed to do? And why is there a presumption of malfeasance? If he were white, they would not have pulled him over, much less charged his car with guns showing
Arguing with the cops is stupid.
You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst. maybe? they pulled over a guy in uniform
So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.
Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.
cletus and barney were in the wrong, their conduct was not that of "protect and defend" - it was aggressive and needlessly hostile.
Why do you think they even knew his race when they pulled him over?
This is what is sad about the level of discourse we have today on race.
People are just desperate to insert it into anything and everything, regardless of whether there is any evidence it was a factor at all.
(And being in uniform changes what exactly? Do you think soldiers don't commit crimes? I have some bad news for you...)
Anonymous
04/10/2021 14:08
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.
They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."
Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.
Arguing with the cops is stupid.
You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.
So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.
Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.
Again they aggressively gave conflicting commands. They approached him in an unprofessional manner. The supervisor was apologetic but patronizing and they let him go without even a ticket because he did nothing wrong. The older officer also threatens to ruin his military career by falsifying what happened during the encounter.
White racists really love to gaslight black people, accusing them of just not following orders even with video footage stating otherwise (i.e. Philando Castile).
Let me guess, you think Chauvin should be acquitted?
Ah, we are back to calling people racists without any evidence whatsoever.
BTW, the second officer is named "Gutierrez," so... doesn't quite fit the narrative of the omg -white- small town cop.
My evidence is your comments.
Do you really think a white person with a Spanish last name can't be racist or anti-black? Try visiting Miami.
I have no problem believing someone of any race could be racist, but absent evidence that they are racist I don't assume it.
The point is you and others obsessed with race want the cops to be white because it allows you to vilify them more easily. "Hispanic cop pulls over black motorist" just does have the same ring to it for you and we both know it.
You know what we really want? Black people to be treated the same as everyone else.
I would totally support that, but of course that isn't what modern day "anti-racists" want.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 14:06
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.
They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."
Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.
Arguing with the cops is stupid.
You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.
So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.
Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.
Again they aggressively gave conflicting commands. They approached him in an unprofessional manner. The supervisor was apologetic but patronizing and they let him go without even a ticket because he did nothing wrong. The older officer also threatens to ruin his military career by falsifying what happened during the encounter.
White racists really love to gaslight black people, accusing them of just not following orders even with video footage stating otherwise (i.e. Philando Castile).
Let me guess, you think Chauvin should be acquitted?
Ah, we are back to calling people racists without any evidence whatsoever.
BTW, the second officer is named "Gutierrez," so... doesn't quite fit the narrative of the omg -white- small town cop.
My evidence is your comments.
Do you really think a white person with a Spanish last name can't be racist or anti-black? Try visiting Miami.
I have no problem believing someone of any race could be racist, but absent evidence that they are racist I don't assume it.
The point is you and others obsessed with race want the cops to be white because it allows you to vilify them more easily. "Hispanic cop pulls over black motorist" just does have the same ring to it for you and we both know it.
Both cops are white. One is a white Hispanic. The driver is an Afro-Latino. Plenty of white Hispanic cops have shot black people, like Philando Castile's killer. Here is a link to colorism/racism in the Latino community for your education.
https://hiplatina.com/colorism-within-the-latino-community/
The cops vilified themselves with their demonic behavior. I'm just calling it out.
Ah, "demonic," I kind of wondered what would come after calling everyone racist was no longer sufficiently strong invective.
Good to know that white Hispanics are plenty white enough when they need to be to fit the narrative.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 13:59
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:
Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult. they told him both to show his hands AND unbuckle his seatbelt, which would have meant potentially reaching for a gun...conflicting "orders" what was he supposed to do? And why is there a presumption of malfeasance? If he were white, they would not have pulled him over, much less charged his car with guns showing
Arguing with the cops is stupid.
You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst. maybe? they pulled over a guy in uniform
So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.
Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.
cletus and barney were in the wrong, their conduct was not that of "protect and defend" - it was aggressive and needlessly hostile.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 13:56
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
They gave him no reason for approaching him. They just started barking orders in the most aggressive way possible. You clearly are white, aren't you?
I think we definitely need to find more ways to introduce race into this. After all, isn't everything about race?
Yes, yes it is. Every single institution in this country is built on the foundation of white supremacy/superiority and it's time to dismantle oppressive institutional, systemic racism.
Of course everything, everyone, everywhere, racist.
It is amazing you have survived this long in such a horrible racist place.
My ancestors survived hundreds of years of slavery so yes I have survival in my blood.
There is nobody alive today whose ancestors didn't survive many trials that they might not have.
My ancestors hunted mammoths with stone tipped spears, and I often deal with traffic on my way to the grocery store. We all face our own trials in our own times I guess.
This is the whitest response I've ever heard. My ancestors hunted wild animals as well because it was simply before technology but that's not hundreds of years of slavery. You're white so your ancestors did not go through that, mine did and relatiely recently than hunting mammoths.
I also cannot believe you are comparing slavery and Jim Crow to hunting for food and car traffic. White people intentionally dumb themselves down when discussing racism and racial bias, it's so embarassing.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 13:55
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
They gave him no reason for approaching him. They just started barking orders in the most aggressive way possible. You clearly are white, aren't you?
I think we definitely need to find more ways to introduce race into this. After all, isn't everything about race?
Yes, yes it is. Every single institution in this country is built on the foundation of white supremacy/superiority and it's time to dismantle oppressive institutional, systemic racism.
Of course everything, everyone, everywhere, racist.
It is amazing you have survived this long in such a horrible racist place.
My ancestors survived hundreds of years of slavery so yes I have survival in my blood.
There is nobody alive today whose ancestors didn't survive many trials that they might not have.
My ancestors hunted mammoths with stone tipped spears, and I often deal with traffic on my way to the grocery store. We all face our own trials in our own times I guess.
Yes that's totally the same as driving while black.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 13:54
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.
They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."
Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.
Arguing with the cops is stupid.
You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.
So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.
Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.
Again they aggressively gave conflicting commands. They approached him in an unprofessional manner. The supervisor was apologetic but patronizing and they let him go without even a ticket because he did nothing wrong. The older officer also threatens to ruin his military career by falsifying what happened during the encounter.
White racists really love to gaslight black people, accusing them of just not following orders even with video footage stating otherwise (i.e. Philando Castile).
Let me guess, you think Chauvin should be acquitted?
Ah, we are back to calling people racists without any evidence whatsoever.
BTW, the second officer is named "Gutierrez," so... doesn't quite fit the narrative of the omg -white- small town cop.
My evidence is your comments.
Do you really think a white person with a Spanish last name can't be racist or anti-black? Try visiting Miami.
I have no problem believing someone of any race could be racist, but absent evidence that they are racist I don't assume it.
The point is you and others obsessed with race want the cops to be white because it allows you to vilify them more easily. "Hispanic cop pulls over black motorist" just does have the same ring to it for you and we both know it.
You know what we really want? Black people to be treated the same as everyone else.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 13:53
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.
They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."
Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.
Arguing with the cops is stupid.
You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.
So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.
Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.
Again they aggressively gave conflicting commands. They approached him in an unprofessional manner. The supervisor was apologetic but patronizing and they let him go without even a ticket because he did nothing wrong. The older officer also threatens to ruin his military career by falsifying what happened during the encounter.
White racists really love to gaslight black people, accusing them of just not following orders even with video footage stating otherwise (i.e. Philando Castile).
Let me guess, you think Chauvin should be acquitted?
Ah, we are back to calling people racists without any evidence whatsoever.
BTW, the second officer is named "Gutierrez," so... doesn't quite fit the narrative of the omg -white- small town cop.
My evidence is your comments.
Do you really think a white person with a Spanish last name can't be racist or anti-black? Try visiting Miami.
I have no problem believing someone of any race could be racist, but absent evidence that they are racist I don't assume it.
The point is you and others obsessed with race want the cops to be white because it allows you to vilify them more easily. "Hispanic cop pulls over black motorist" just does have the same ring to it for you and we both know it.
Both cops are white. One is a white Hispanic. The driver is an Afro-Latino. Plenty of white Hispanic cops have shot black people, like Philando Castile's killer. Here is a link to colorism/racism in the Latino community for your education.
https://hiplatina.com/colorism-within-the-latino-community/
The cops vilified themselves with their demonic behavior. I'm just calling it out.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 13:47
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
They gave him no reason for approaching him. They just started barking orders in the most aggressive way possible. You clearly are white, aren't you?
I think we definitely need to find more ways to introduce race into this. After all, isn't everything about race?
Yes, yes it is. Every single institution in this country is built on the foundation of white supremacy/superiority and it's time to dismantle oppressive institutional, systemic racism.
Of course everything, everyone, everywhere, racist.
It is amazing you have survived this long in such a horrible racist place.
My ancestors survived hundreds of years of slavery so yes I have survival in my blood.
There is nobody alive today whose ancestors didn't survive many trials that they might not have.
My ancestors hunted mammoths with stone tipped spears, and I often deal with traffic on my way to the grocery store. We all face our own trials in our own times I guess.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 13:41
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
Was the smart thing to reach to his waist and unbuckle his seatbelt? I would be scared. At least with his hands out of the car, he made sure he was not a threat.
They never even bothered to tell him why they were pulling him over. If they had, he could say "there's a license plate in my window."
Yes, since they were telling him to do that. Imagine if he had just announced he was undoing his seat belt, done so, opened the door, and gotten out slowly with his hands in view. It isn't complicated nor difficult.
Arguing with the cops is stupid.
You don't know what they think they are doing. You may be innocent. Maybe the cops have the wrong guy...but if the guy they are looking for just shot some people, they are going to be ready for the worst.
So lose the attitude. Don't play lawyer and tell the cops what they are allowed to direct you to do. (Especially when you are wrong. ) Don't argue. Don't resist them.
Just do as directed, slowly, and keep your hands in view.
Again they aggressively gave conflicting commands. They approached him in an unprofessional manner. The supervisor was apologetic but patronizing and they let him go without even a ticket because he did nothing wrong. The older officer also threatens to ruin his military career by falsifying what happened during the encounter.
White racists really love to gaslight black people, accusing them of just not following orders even with video footage stating otherwise (i.e. Philando Castile).
Let me guess, you think Chauvin should be acquitted?
Ah, we are back to calling people racists without any evidence whatsoever.
BTW, the second officer is named "Gutierrez," so... doesn't quite fit the narrative of the omg -white- small town cop.
My evidence is your comments.
Do you really think a white person with a Spanish last name can't be racist or anti-black? Try visiting Miami.
I have no problem believing someone of any race could be racist, but absent evidence that they are racist I don't assume it.
The point is you and others obsessed with race want the cops to be white because it allows you to vilify them more easily. "Hispanic cop pulls over black motorist" just does have the same ring to it for you and we both know it.
Anonymous
04/10/2021 13:38
Subject: Re:White cops harass and pepper spray Black Army Lieutenant in Windsor, VA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This idiot failed repeatedly to follow basic commands. The cops did sctew up at times ny giving conflicting commands.
He was pepper sprayed while calmly sitting in his car, with his hands outside the window, just after asking why he was being detained. That is indefensible.
He had been sitting there arguing with the cops for a good long while by that point.
He had every opportunity to not be an idiot, and at each decision point chose idiot.
If you don't want a tense confrontation with the cops, obey directions, don't argue, don't resist.
They gave him no reason for approaching him. They just started barking orders in the most aggressive way possible. You clearly are white, aren't you?
I think we definitely need to find more ways to introduce race into this. After all, isn't everything about race?
Yes, yes it is. Every single institution in this country is built on the foundation of white supremacy/superiority and it's time to dismantle oppressive institutional, systemic racism.
Of course everything, everyone, everywhere, racist.
It is amazing you have survived this long in such a horrible racist place.
My ancestors survived hundreds of years of slavery so yes I have survival in my blood.