Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He does not see. He does pay child support. It was an ONS if that makes a difference, and the mom doesn't want him involved.
Dating a man with kids is a lose-lose situation for an unattached woman. If he's an involved father, you don't want this because you will always come #2, and your relationship will have to contort itself into the contours of their father-child life. If he's an uninvolved father, you don't want this because it doesn't say very nice things about him.
The best-case scenario of a man with child is someone whose child is grown and has launched.
+1. But even a man with grown children is not ideal. I have a relative who has had a lot of drama coming from her significant other’s adult children. Some grown children never completely launch.
Failure to launch kids suk. Is there a disability or LD or mental issue?
I see so many examples these days of adult children who are launched in the sense of living on their own, but they are still overly reliant on one or both parents for money, assistance, etc. I think parenting trends of the last two decades are to blame. The trend has been that parents make children the center and sole focus of their lives as opposed to incorporating kids into their lives in a healthy way. The result is that kids grow up thinking they are the center of the universe. The parents also lose any sense of an identity outside of being so and so’s mom or dad. It is unhealthy. I’m not suggesting parents shouldn’t be attentive and put a lot of energy and time into their kids, but I think it’s unhealthy for them to define themselves by their kid(s). That almost always seems to lead to a kid who becomes a very entitled adult who has a difficult time living independently and establishing his or her own life. There’s a sweet spot. It also leads to very tribal people. So when you date someone who has raised their kids this way or was raised in this way, you are always an outsider, a “them” in their world.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He does not see. He does pay child support. It was an ONS if that makes a difference, and the mom doesn't want him involved.
Dating a man with kids is a lose-lose situation for an unattached woman. If he's an involved father, you don't want this because you will always come #2, and your relationship will have to contort itself into the contours of their father-child life. If he's an uninvolved father, you don't want this because it doesn't say very nice things about him.
The best-case scenario of a man with child is someone whose child is grown and has launched.
+1. But even a man with grown children is not ideal. I have a relative who has had a lot of drama coming from her significant other’s adult children. Some grown children never completely launch.
Failure to launch kids suk. Is there a disability or LD or mental issue?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He does not see. He does pay child support. It was an ONS if that makes a difference, and the mom doesn't want him involved.
Dating a man with kids is a lose-lose situation for an unattached woman. If he's an involved father, you don't want this because you will always come #2, and your relationship will have to contort itself into the contours of their father-child life. If he's an uninvolved father, you don't want this because it doesn't say very nice things about him.
The best-case scenario of a man with child is someone whose child is grown and has launched.
+1. But even a man with grown children is not ideal. I have a relative who has had a lot of drama coming from her significant other’s adult children. Some grown children never completely launch.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So women that get pregnant but don’t want to be a parent can have an abortion, and their body, their choice. No judgement.
But if a man doesn’t want to be a parent but woman does and he financially supports, he is a total a-hole? Wow double standard
In what universe? There's a large segment of the population that would indeed judge a woman for having an abortion. And they wouldn't just call her an "a-hole" they'd call her a murderer.
If someone started a post saying would you date a woman that had an abortion from a ONS a decade ago? I doubt the overwhelming answers would be what a horrible person she must be, and no of course not
The more apt comparison would be "would you date a woman who had a child after a ONS, left it with the father, and never sees it but pays for it", and I think most men would rightfully respond with "that's a lot of drama/that's freaking weird".
Right. But that wouldn’t happen bc a woman that doesn’t want to be a parent can abort
can /= does
But she has the choice. A man doesn’t have that choice
Yes he has the choice to not have sex, use birth control or get a vasectomy. Everyone is responsible for their own birth control.
Women have those choices too and still end up with unexpected pregnancies. The difference is women have the final say in if an unexpected pregnancy results in a baby. Men have no say in the pregnancy outcome. I’m not saying they should, just that it should be equally acceptable for men or women to not want to be parents. This guy is doing the legally required minimum. Not knowing any details, I wouldn’t judge him for not parenting just as I wouldn’t judge a woman that had an abortion or have her child up for adoption
All the rest are just someone else's discard.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He does not see. He does pay child support. It was an ONS if that makes a difference, and the mom doesn't want him involved.
Dating a man with kids is a lose-lose situation for an unattached woman. If he's an involved father, you don't want this because you will always come #2, and your relationship will have to contort itself into the contours of their father-child life. If he's an uninvolved father, you don't want this because it doesn't say very nice things about him.
The best-case scenario of a man with child is someone whose child is grown and has launched.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So women that get pregnant but don’t want to be a parent can have an abortion, and their body, their choice. No judgement.
But if a man doesn’t want to be a parent but woman does and he financially supports, he is a total a-hole? Wow double standard
Where did OP say he didn't want to be a parent?
I mean let's be real, how many guys that have a ONS want to parent with that woman? Isn't that kinda implied?