Anonymous
03/31/2021 22:44
Subject: Re:Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:This is a better visual
Ooooh... now I get it. I've lived here for years, and never had a clue. Research scientist and everything, but not good with orientation.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 22:44
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How people don’t get which is the inner and which is the outer blows my mind. Makes me fear for the future if this country.
If you are new to the area, it’s not exactly obvious !!
It's not obvious when you're driving if you're new to the area. It should be obvious when looking at a traditional map.
You don’t need a map to understand the meanings of the words “inner” and “outer.” DC is not the only city with an inner loop and an outer loop. They mean the same thing in regards to all of the cities that have them.
That's not true. In Houston, there are two actual full beltways.
The inner loop is I-610 a full loop around the city and includes both directions and is closer to the city center (the blue loop).
The outer loop is Beltway 8 (TX-8), another full loop that includes both directions and is further out from the city (the red loop).
You write as though something I said is untrue, and yet, you just confirmed what I wrote. The inner loop is closer in; the outer loop is farther out. It doesn’t matter whether the loops contains traffic going in one direction or two directions. The “inner” and “outer” designations relate to which is closer to the city.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 22:30
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem is knowing what is inside and what is outside the loops. You have to know landmarks and whether they are inside or outside.
What? If you're driving and DC is on your right then you're on the inner loop. If the suburbs are on your right then its the outerloop. In the US we drive on the right side so the thing you are driving around is on your right if you're going clockwise or left if you're going counterclockwise.
How in the hell do I know if DC or the burbs are on my left or right if I can’t see any landmarks? There are many parts of the beltway where all I see are trees.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 22:26
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:Not from DC. Ok I can see how there are 2 “sides” to the loop, and I am spatially aware enough to know if the outer side of the loop is on my right or left side, depending on where I am traveling to. However, in my honest opinion, it is a stretch to say to say you actually have 2 loops here. You have one. As PP shared, Houston has 2 loops. I’d bet there are a few other cities that also have bona fide inner and outer loops, even if incomplete like that in Columbus OH.
^^THIS!!
People who are acting snotty about others not getting it are ridiculous.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 21:05
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:
Many US cities were going to get a inner loops/spurs, but some white neighborhoods revolted. Today nearly all of those neighborhoods that rejected highways are the most valuable and desirable real estate.
By the 1970s the black neighborhoods also had the power to stop highway construction. Right now, travelers going on I95 from New York to Florida have to take the Capital Beltway because there is no highway that goes through Washington DC.,
This is because of strong opposition from black neighborhoods in DC fighting "a white man's road through a black man's bedroom"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Central_Freeway_(Washington,_D.C.)
Anonymous
03/31/2021 20:18
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
OP do mean inner loop vs outer loop...or inside the beltway vs outside the beltway. Those are both used and have different meanings.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 19:55
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem is knowing what is inside and what is outside the loops. You have to know landmarks and whether they are inside or outside.
What? If you're driving and DC is on your right then you're on the inner loop. If the suburbs are on your right then its the outerloop. In the US we drive on the right side so the thing you are driving around is on your right if you're going clockwise or left if you're going counterclockwise.
But you usually can't see DC landmarks when you're on the Beltway. Criticize people all you want for not reading maps and not having a sense of direction, but don't be unrealistic.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 19:50
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How people don’t get which is the inner and which is the outer blows my mind. Makes me fear for the future if this country.
If you are new to the area, it’s not exactly obvious !!
It's not obvious when you're driving if you're new to the area. It should be obvious when looking at a traditional map.
You don’t need a map to understand the meanings of the words “inner” and “outer.” DC is not the only city with an inner loop and an outer loop. They mean the same thing in regards to all of the cities that have them.
Okay. Many people living in the dc area are from cities that don’t have them. For example, NY, Boston, Philly just for starters.
Agree. I am from Philly. The first time I drove to this area it was for a job interview. I was give not so good directions. I was told “when you get to the beltway go right.” I kept looking for a sign saying Beltway. I stayed on 95 instead of getting on 495. It wasn’t until I got to Lorton that I realized I missed my exit. Luckily I left very early and could read a map. I made it to my interview in time. I got the job and never missed the exit for 495 again.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 19:44
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:The problem is knowing what is inside and what is outside the loops. You have to know landmarks and whether they are inside or outside.
What? If you're driving and DC is on your right then you're on the inner loop. If the suburbs are on your right then its the outerloop. In the US we drive on the right side so the thing you are driving around is on your right if you're going clockwise or left if you're going counterclockwise.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 19:43
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
I didn’t have a car when I lived in Chicago and it took me forever to figure out that the traffic report for the “two-eee” was the Two E = Eisenhower Expressway
Anonymous
03/31/2021 19:43
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:Not from DC. Ok I can see how there are 2 “sides” to the loop, and I am spatially aware enough to know if the outer side of the loop is on my right or left side, depending on where I am traveling to. However, in my honest opinion, it is a stretch to say to say you actually have 2 loops here. You have one. As PP shared, Houston has 2 loops. I’d bet there are a few other cities that also have bona fide inner and outer loops, even if incomplete like that in Columbus OH.
I agree, though I see how for brevity's sake especially on traffic radio calling the two directions inner loop and outer loop makes sense.
Rochester actually had an Inner Loop. It was one of the things that destroyed its downtown. They're spending tens of millions to get rid of it.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 19:40
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
The problem is knowing what is inside and what is outside the loops. You have to know landmarks and whether they are inside or outside.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 19:36
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:Not from DC. Ok I can see how there are 2 “sides” to the loop, and I am spatially aware enough to know if the outer side of the loop is on my right or left side, depending on where I am traveling to. However, in my honest opinion, it is a stretch to say to say you actually have 2 loops here. You have one. As PP shared, Houston has 2 loops. I’d bet there are a few other cities that also have bona fide inner and outer loops, even if incomplete like that in Columbus OH.
It’s not complicated. The inner loop is the inside lanes and the outer loop is the outside lanes going in the opposite direction.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 19:08
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Not from DC. Ok I can see how there are 2 “sides” to the loop, and I am spatially aware enough to know if the outer side of the loop is on my right or left side, depending on where I am traveling to. However, in my honest opinion, it is a stretch to say to say you actually have 2 loops here. You have one. As PP shared, Houston has 2 loops. I’d bet there are a few other cities that also have bona fide inner and outer loops, even if incomplete like that in Columbus OH.
Anonymous
03/31/2021 18:57
Subject: Inner Loop and Outer Loop of the Beltway Meaning.
Anonymous wrote:After 3 pages what am I missing?:
Inner Loop - Clockwise
Outer Loop - Counter-Clockwise
Is there anything more?
Yes. They don’t have maps so they don’t realize they are driving clockwise or counterclockwise.