Aren’t IDs needed for medical care? I’m always asked for ID.

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Anonymous wrote:Elections need to _look_ secure, as well as to actually _be_ secure. Many would feel more comfortable in accepting election outcomes if minimal efforts were made to provide for election security. Requiring identification from voters is one such step that could be taken. It makes sense to me.

It is my understanding that very few people do not have some form of government-issued identification. As noted above, it is virtually necessary for one to exist in modern society. That said, we should provide valid voter identification cards for free to those who do not have some other form of government-issued identification and give those people some time to obtain such identification before it is actually required.

What would be the objection to this?

Because this is political theater. The whole POINT is to stop poor people and the disenfranchised from voting.

Then surely Dems can find a workaround. How many people actually don’t have IDs? Is it that people lose them? Dems can work to make it easier to get them.

No, state governments need to do that, not a political party. The minute any well meaning group tries you all scream fraud.

But the state governments don’t WANT to make it easy. See, Jim Crow et. al

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Anonymous wrote:Elections need to _look_ secure, as well as to actually _be_ secure. Many would feel more comfortable in accepting election outcomes if minimal efforts were made to provide for election security. Requiring identification from voters is one such step that could be taken. It makes sense to me.

It is my understanding that very few people do not have some form of government-issued identification. As noted above, it is virtually necessary for one to exist in modern society. That said, we should provide valid voter identification cards for free to those who do not have some other form of government-issued identification and give those people some time to obtain such identification before it is actually required.

What would be the objection to this?

Because this is political theater. The whole POINT is to stop poor people and the disenfranchised from voting.

Then surely Dems can find a workaround. How many people actually don’t have IDs? Is it that people lose them? Dems can work to make it easier to get them.

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

Not sure about “no other reason” but the vote without ID crowd is conveniently ignoring the dozens of very legitimate reasons one needs an ID

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Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

Voting is a right, not a privilege. Furthermore, where is any evidence that there is even voter fraud to begin with? This is just a new way to disenfranchise black people.

How many black people don't have a state issued ID? And why can't they get one if they currently don't have one?

So, this is less of a problem than it used to be. But if you think about it, there are black people alive today whose grandparents were enslaved, their parents were illiterate, etc. Having access to documents verifying your identity, like birth certificates, was a real problem. It’s still an issue for some people. It’s not really that easy if you historically haven’t had access to education and other institutions white people take for granted. Someone pointed this out to me years ago and it made sense to me. Maybe it’s not such an issue today but there are still people voting today that didn’t have access to the same banks, schools, hospitals, neighborhoods, etc. than others, under segregation.

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Anonymous wrote:Elections need to _look_ secure, as well as to actually _be_ secure. Many would feel more comfortable in accepting election outcomes if minimal efforts were made to provide for election security. Requiring identification from voters is one such step that could be taken. It makes sense to me.

It is my understanding that very few people do not have some form of government-issued identification. As noted above, it is virtually necessary for one to exist in modern society. That said, we should provide valid voter identification cards for free to those who do not have some other form of government-issued identification and give those people some time to obtain such identification before it is actually required.

What would be the objection to this?

Because this is political theater. The whole POINT is to stop poor people and the disenfranchised from voting.

That must be why essentially everywhere else on earth you need an ID but in the US it is just -so- hard to get an ID that it can't be managed.

They require an ID to vote in Afghanistan. Think about that.

Think about how insane you sound to normal, functioning people when you say that needing to have an ID is "voter suppression."

Anonymous wrote:Elections need to _look_ secure, as well as to actually _be_ secure. Many would feel more comfortable in accepting election outcomes if minimal efforts were made to provide for election security. Requiring identification from voters is one such step that could be taken. It makes sense to me.

It is my understanding that very few people do not have some form of government-issued identification. As noted above, it is virtually necessary for one to exist in modern society. That said, we should provide valid voter identification cards for free to those who do not have some other form of government-issued identification and give those people some time to obtain such identification before it is actually required.

What would be the objection to this?

Because this is political theater. The whole POINT is to stop poor people and the disenfranchised from voting.

Elections need to _look_ secure, as well as to actually _be_ secure. Many would feel more comfortable in accepting election outcomes if minimal efforts were made to provide for election security. Requiring identification from voters is one such step that could be taken. It makes sense to me.

It is my understanding that very few people do not have some form of government-issued identification. As noted above, it is virtually necessary for one to exist in modern society. That said, we should provide valid voter identification cards for free to those who do not have some other form of government-issued identification and give those people some time to obtain such identification before it is actually required.

What would be the objection to this?

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Anonymous wrote:Is the thought that poor folks don’t have IDs?

I think the thought is that people shouldn’t be denied their constitutional right if they don’t have an ID.

I’m glad you’re in favor of the right of everyone to buy an AR15 without ID.

1. This is so stupid.
2. I think we should ban AR-15’s. Periodt.

Have we actually done any studies on how many people intended to vote but were turned away due to lack of ID?

The mobile DMV unit is a great idea. Have one for every say 100k people and have it set up on a regular schedule. Someone in a Black Belt county in Alabama may not be able to get a ride to the regional city 35-45 minutes away but can get a ride to the county seat 10-15 minutes away. Likewise someone in a relatively isolated neighborhood.

The DNC can set up an 800 number and website where people who want to vote can get brought up to snuff. Or hell, make it appear bipartisan - bring in the League of Women Voters, the RNC, and others. It'd give political volunteering types something to do outside of election season. Alternately, set up bureaus in each state. You want voter ID laws? Good, agree to spend $2 million on helping voters get valid ID.

Obtaining an ID valid for voting should be FREE.

Dems refuse to compromise but actively refuse to help voters adjust to the new reality. Why is that? Wedge issues gotta wedge, but I suspect outside the usual Twitter progressive crowd and Bethesda liberal crowd, this dog doesn't hunt, it jsut sits there and laughs at you.

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Anonymous wrote:Every state has a different law about what counts as ID to vote.

And the FACT is that even an state ID (not drivers license) these days is hard to get. Due to COVID waits in my state for an appointment is 4 months. There are no walk in spots.

People who are poor, or elderly, or disabled will struggle mightily to get them even in though they have the RIGHT to vote.

Beyond the appointment you need the fresh paperwork. Elderly people may no longer have access to a birth certificate at all... they may not have been issued one or their courthouse may have burned down. Disabled people who live in group homes or those in nursing homes don't have the transportation to go apply. They may have had valid IDs at one point, but they have expired.

I have friends in Florida who work with a charity that helps people get IDs. They say you won't believe how hard it can be for some people to be able to locate their paperwork.

The GOP is afraid and evil.

Voting is a right. And they want to take it away from the "wrong" people.

The fact is?

All I can say is that you must have a tough life if you think getting a valid ID is "hard."

What kind of adult doesn't have any valid ID in the 21st century?

This has been discussed ad nauseum. If you want to understand, you'll have to first step outside your priviledge bubble and consider that other people's lives look different than yours. People are poor, workultiple casual jobs to make ends meet, live in rural areas or areas with little access to public transportation.

Also, the definition of "valid ID" being used in these laws is so blatantly lopsided it's almost laughable. Student ID, not valid. Gun registration, valid.

And they never buy cigarettes, alcohol, or guns. They never cash checks or drive or rent an apartment, fly on a plane, etc etc.

Having an ID is a requirement in the modern world. If there are people that are really so low functioning that they can't follow through and get one I certainly don't object to people holding their hand through the process but I don't see any reason we can't take minimal prudent steps to secure our elections because there are some people that can't manage their most basic affairs.

Why didn’t I need to show ID to vote until the mid 2000’s?

I voted for decades without showing an ID, it was no problem.

What changed?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

Voting is a right, not a privilege. Furthermore, where is any evidence that there is even voter fraud to begin with? This is just a new way to disenfranchise black people.

How many black people don't have a state issued ID? And why can't they get one if they currently don't have one?

1) because their parents didn't get them one when they were younger; lost birth certificate along the way
2) replacement birth certificate costs money; how can you obtain if you don't have proof of ID - circular problem
3) over the years, as a means of suppression, the places where one can get an ID are more remote, requiring a car, or if lucky, multiple bus rides to get there

If you are asking these questions, then you have never experienced the hurdles in place by majority culture in southern states, or Ohio, which has been egregious in these efforts.

Could we create mobile DMV units to go into communities and help people get IDs, file for birth certificates, etc.?

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Unfortunately 40% or so voters here don't believe in science, facts, or statistics. And you know what else? To pass your progressive agenda you need to win elections. And to win elections you need to peel away some GOP voters. So, democrats would be wise to get the voter ID issue out of the way and, at the same time, empower the people that currently don't have an ID to enjoy all the benefits. For example, of opening a bank account or boarding an airplane.

This is all being done BECAUSE democrats won elections. 40+ million more voted for Biden; Biden won AZ, GA, WI, PA, MI - flipped them all away from Trump.

Their agenda polls consistently in the 60-75% range.

Despite the senate 50-50 split, Dem senators represent 43 million more American voters; despite the narrow split in the House and various state houses, the Dems out poll GOP by about 6 percentage points nationally.

The problem isn't the message or the agenda, the problem is a structural imbalance that favors rural white voters over everyone else.

Are you actually claiming this wasn't an issue before the last election?

Even by low information standards that is pretty weak.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You need ID to cash a check.
You need ID to buy alcohol.
You need ID to buy tobacco.
You need ID to buy a gun.
You need ID to get into many govt buildings.
You need ID to get onto secure federal property.
You need ID to rent or buy an apartment or home.
You need ID to get on a plane.
You need ID to get a library card.
You need ID to buy a fishing license.
You need ID to open a bank account.
You need ID to receive govt benefits like WIC and EBT.
You need ID to apply for a job.
You need ID to buy or rent a car.
You need ID to go into any school building in the country.
You need ID to get medical treatment.
You need ID to apply to colleges.
You need ID to get into a many bars/clubs.
You need ID to get into many community centers / pools


But voting doesn’t require an ID.




If you oppose a law requiring showing an ID in order to vote, then you are for voter fraud. There is no other plausible reason.

Voting is a right, not a privilege. Furthermore, where is any evidence that there is even voter fraud to begin with? This is just a new way to disenfranchise black people.

Ah, there it is! The same BS excuses.

You really have no idea what you are talking about. It is just a fact that non-white people lack state issued ID more often than whites people. It’s a fact. I know you people really struggle to understand facts but just f**king keep reading that sentence over and over and maybe you’ll get there.

So then you might want to be like...too bad, get an ID. But that’s a different argument. The point is ...RIGHT NOW...requiring an ID has a racist impact. You just literally cannot live in reality.

Stop the hysterics.

There is not an election on "RIGHT NOW". So you'll have quite a while to tell everyone they need to get an ID.

THere’s an election of some kind in every state, every year.

Here’s a question for you....why did they make it illegal to give water to people waiting on line to vote in GA? Maybe that will clue you in a tiny bit as to what is actually going on here.

It happens to be illegal, federally.

https://www.11alive.com/mobile/article/news/verify/is-it-legal-to-offer-food-or-beverages-at-the-polls/85-e78ab131-cc31-4dfd-928c-708091dd722e

Only if it's to influence someone "either to vote or withhold his vote or to vote for or against any candidate." Simply giving food or water isn't illegal. I understand why a pizza place might not want to get involved but they're not legal experts.