Anonymous
Post 03/28/2021 12:31     Subject: Re:Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:The top 2009 girls team has rotated 31 different players in practices and games. No joke. I watch it every Monday and Wednesday. The posts about the tournament this weekend are 100% accurate as we are watching. Doug Prior is coach of both teams. It is his 2010 top team playing in the 2009 bottom bracket which is perfectly fine. Bringing 5...yes 5 top 2009 players is absurd. Winning every game 7-0 is classless.


So 2009 players are playing in a 2009 bracket for a 2010 team that is playing up? Original post claimed 2009 girls playing in a 2010 bracket, so actually first post not accurate at all.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2021 10:33     Subject: Re:Pipeline
The top 2009 girls team has rotated 31 different players in practices and games. No joke. I watch it every Monday and Wednesday. The posts about the tournament this weekend are 100% accurate as we are watching. Doug Prior is coach of both teams. It is his 2010 top team playing in the 2009 bottom bracket which is perfectly fine. Bringing 5...yes 5 top 2009 players is absurd. Winning every game 7-0 is classless.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2021 09:30     Subject: Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A couple of top 2009 girls are playing with the 2010 girls team this weekend. Actually they are playing right now as I am watching the game. One is a forward and the other is on defense. We are playing in the top division and thought I would see if there is an chance what the earlier poster said was true. And, I actually wanted to say that the earlier poster was full of crap.

I’ll also say though the 2009 Coach is the same as the 2010s.


Likely they are both 2010 girls who play up for 2009. We have had players playing a year up every year my kid has played for pipeline.


Please take your time to read. They are talking about top 2009s playing down on 2010s in a tournament.


I can guarantee they have no personal knowledge. All they know in two girls played in both games. As someone with a child who actually plays for Pipeline, I believe those girls are 2010s playing up on 2009, playing up is very common at Pipeline, I kniwof zero cases where they allowed a kid to play down. Posters here love to start false rumors about Pipeline.
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As a previous poster and pipeline boy parent, I haven't seen them allowing a kid to play down but have seen them allow many kids to play from A to B in tournaments. I wouldn't call it the most toxic environment I have ever seen as others have said but youth soccer is toxic at this level, period. I think what pipeline and many other clubs miss (and most parents) is that the vast majority of these kids aren't going pro, getting huge scholarships or even playing at the college level. Even at the B team level, the push to win at all costs just ruins spirits. There just isn't a space for developing these kids and allowing them to play and learn. That is sad downfall of most of the clubs that play at this level. It is no longer a game but a business and promise to the parents that they can live some sports fantasy through their kid.
Anonymous
Post 03/28/2021 09:28     Subject: Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A couple of top 2009 girls are playing with the 2010 girls team this weekend. Actually they are playing right now as I am watching the game. One is a forward and the other is on defense. We are playing in the top division and thought I would see if there is an chance what the earlier poster said was true. And, I actually wanted to say that the earlier poster was full of crap.

I’ll also say though the 2009 Coach is the same as the 2010s.


Likely they are both 2010 girls who play up for 2009. We have had players playing a year up every year my kid has played for pipeline.


Please take your time to read. They are talking about top 2009s playing down on 2010s in a tournament.


I can guarantee they have no personal knowledge. All they know in two girls played in both games. As someone with a child who actually plays for Pipeline, I believe those girls are 2010s playing up on 2009, playing up is very common at Pipeline, I kniwof zero cases where they allowed a kid to play down. Posters here love to start false rumors about Pipeline.


Yes. We have kids play up throughout the year on our team frequently. We had a kid playing up a year that “played down” with us (his on age year team) in a tournament because they wanted him to get more playing time. He was dominating and the other team asked for his player card at half time. First time I’ve ever seen that done in a game. The card showed him playing on the year above team and the coach lost his mind calling everyone cheaters, which the parents then followed yelling at our kids. It was absurd. They were all just too bitter at losing and dumb to realize he played on the above team but was guest playing on his actual year team to help him develop (and win the tournament). Like the PP said, people with no clue love spreading rumors. The fact is the boys program is phenomenal. I can’t speak to the girls side and they appear to have issues but the boys side is great. Good luck.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2021 22:01     Subject: Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A couple of top 2009 girls are playing with the 2010 girls team this weekend. Actually they are playing right now as I am watching the game. One is a forward and the other is on defense. We are playing in the top division and thought I would see if there is an chance what the earlier poster said was true. And, I actually wanted to say that the earlier poster was full of crap.

I’ll also say though the 2009 Coach is the same as the 2010s.


Likely they are both 2010 girls who play up for 2009. We have had players playing a year up every year my kid has played for pipeline.


Please take your time to read. They are talking about top 2009s playing down on 2010s in a tournament.


I can guarantee they have no personal knowledge. All they know in two girls played in both games. As someone with a child who actually plays for Pipeline, I believe those girls are 2010s playing up on 2009, playing up is very common at Pipeline, I kniwof zero cases where they allowed a kid to play down. Posters here love to start false rumors about Pipeline.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2021 20:17     Subject: Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A couple of top 2009 girls are playing with the 2010 girls team this weekend. Actually they are playing right now as I am watching the game. One is a forward and the other is on defense. We are playing in the top division and thought I would see if there is an chance what the earlier poster said was true. And, I actually wanted to say that the earlier poster was full of crap.

I’ll also say though the 2009 Coach is the same as the 2010s.


Likely they are both 2010 girls who play up for 2009. We have had players playing a year up every year my kid has played for pipeline.


Please take your time to read. They are talking about top 2009s playing down on 2010s in a tournament.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2021 16:19     Subject: Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:A couple of top 2009 girls are playing with the 2010 girls team this weekend. Actually they are playing right now as I am watching the game. One is a forward and the other is on defense. We are playing in the top division and thought I would see if there is an chance what the earlier poster said was true. And, I actually wanted to say that the earlier poster was full of crap.

I’ll also say though the 2009 Coach is the same as the 2010s.


Likely they are both 2010 girls who play up for 2009. We have had players playing a year up every year my kid has played for pipeline.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2021 15:39     Subject: Pipeline
A couple of top 2009 girls are playing with the 2010 girls team this weekend. Actually they are playing right now as I am watching the game. One is a forward and the other is on defense. We are playing in the top division and thought I would see if there is an chance what the earlier poster said was true. And, I actually wanted to say that the earlier poster was full of crap.

I’ll also say though the 2009 Coach is the same as the 2010s.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2021 15:30     Subject: Re:Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pipeline is the most corrupt and toxic club in the DC-MD-VA area. This is not coming from a bitter parent whose kid was dropped from the A team or who isn’t “tough enough”. Do NOT subject your kid and your family to this organization.

- Don’t be fooled by the “developmental opportunities” narrative, when it comes to kids playing up or down. They take A team players a year up and play them down on the A team a year below. Then, they can brag that their younger team was “top of the bracket playing a year up”. Their doing it this weekend at the Baltimore Mania tournament and have done it regularly over the past 5 years. Technically legal? Sure. Ethical? Absolutely not.

- Agree with the prior post. Guest players are sometimes recruits, but often kids who live 2-3 hours away and have no intention of joining the team or are “free agents” playing for multiple teams and leagues. It’s great to come home with trophies, but there is zero team unity. Every practice, every game, every tournament is a revolving door of new players.

- There is a Pipeline in-crowd. There the ones getting all the special treatment: true playing up opportunities, social media spotlights, real media spotlights, choice team placements without merit. Their parents are often assistant coaches in the club too. If you cross one of them, the “fake news” will spread like wildfire and they will work with the Piepline leadership (SR mostly) to try to ruin your kid.

- There is no player development although there is a ton of talent and natural athleticism on their teams. Watch any game though, and you’ll see the strategy is boot and run. They rarely maintain possession, because it’s never trained in practice. The teams are successful and the wins are great, but it’s often in spite of the coaches. If there is one reason to avoid this club, beyond the nastiness of the leadership and many of the in-crowd families, it’s because your kid will not become a better a player.


If it’s “A” team benchwarmers getting extra touches than that could be argued. But if Pipeline is taking starters, than yes, ignorant to have them play down with a younger team. To be honest, I’ve never heard of any club doing something like that, not even Loudoun. Other clubs will just bring players up a year or grab the best players from “B” team.

What ages is this across? Do they do the same on the boys side?


They don’t have players cheat and play down a year beyond their actual age.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2021 15:29     Subject: Re:Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pipeline is the most corrupt and toxic club in the DC-MD-VA area. This is not coming from a bitter parent whose kid was dropped from the A team or who isn’t “tough enough”. Do NOT subject your kid and your family to this organization.

- Don’t be fooled by the “developmental opportunities” narrative, when it comes to kids playing up or down. They take A team players a year up and play them down on the A team a year below. Then, they can brag that their younger team was “top of the bracket playing a year up”. Their doing it this weekend at the Baltimore Mania tournament and have done it regularly over the past 5 years. Technically legal? Sure. Ethical? Absolutely not.

- Agree with the prior post. Guest players are sometimes recruits, but often kids who live 2-3 hours away and have no intention of joining the team or are “free agents” playing for multiple teams and leagues. It’s great to come home with trophies, but there is zero team unity. Every practice, every game, every tournament is a revolving door of new players.

- There is a Pipeline in-crowd. There the ones getting all the special treatment: true playing up opportunities, social media spotlights, real media spotlights, choice team placements without merit. Their parents are often assistant coaches in the club too. If you cross one of them, the “fake news” will spread like wildfire and they will work with the Piepline leadership (SR mostly) to try to ruin your kid.

- There is no player development although there is a ton of talent and natural athleticism on their teams. Watch any game though, and you’ll see the strategy is boot and run. They rarely maintain possession, because it’s never trained in practice. The teams are successful and the wins are great, but it’s often in spite of the coaches. If there is one reason to avoid this club, beyond the nastiness of the leadership and many of the in-crowd families, it’s because your kid will not become a better a player.


If it’s “A” team benchwarmers getting extra touches than that could be argued. But if Pipeline is taking starters, than yes, ignorant to have them play down with a younger team. To be honest, I’ve never heard of any club doing something like that, not even Loudoun. Other clubs will just bring players up a year or grab the best players from “B” team.

What ages is this across? Do they do the same on the boys side?


None of this has been our experience on the boys side, and we have friends on the older girl’s side that are happy. No girls would have left BA to return to Pipeline if pop’s post was accurate.

I am unaware of any superstars playing down a level, there are a decent number of kids playing up a year. Thr only kids I have see playing down are those not getting playing time on the higher team. Nor have I seen guest players from outside the club unless those kids are actually trying out for a Pipeline team.

Perhaps it is completely different on the girl’s side but on the boy’s side, Pipeline has very high player and coach retention across teams, not just on the top team.

Op, maybe talk to people irl. There is some legitimate criticism of the club here and there are also posters who have no affiliation with the club bashing it unfairly.
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2021 13:29     Subject: Re:Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:Pipeline is the most corrupt and toxic club in the DC-MD-VA area. This is not coming from a bitter parent whose kid was dropped from the A team or who isn’t “tough enough”. Do NOT subject your kid and your family to this organization.

- Don’t be fooled by the “developmental opportunities” narrative, when it comes to kids playing up or down. They take A team players a year up and play them down on the A team a year below. Then, they can brag that their younger team was “top of the bracket playing a year up”. Their doing it this weekend at the Baltimore Mania tournament and have done it regularly over the past 5 years. Technically legal? Sure. Ethical? Absolutely not.

- Agree with the prior post. Guest players are sometimes recruits, but often kids who live 2-3 hours away and have no intention of joining the team or are “free agents” playing for multiple teams and leagues. It’s great to come home with trophies, but there is zero team unity. Every practice, every game, every tournament is a revolving door of new players.

- There is a Pipeline in-crowd. There the ones getting all the special treatment: true playing up opportunities, social media spotlights, real media spotlights, choice team placements without merit. Their parents are often assistant coaches in the club too. If you cross one of them, the “fake news” will spread like wildfire and they will work with the Piepline leadership (SR mostly) to try to ruin your kid.

- There is no player development although there is a ton of talent and natural athleticism on their teams. Watch any game though, and you’ll see the strategy is boot and run. They rarely maintain possession, because it’s never trained in practice. The teams are successful and the wins are great, but it’s often in spite of the coaches. If there is one reason to avoid this club, beyond the nastiness of the leadership and many of the in-crowd families, it’s because your kid will not become a better a player.


If it’s “A” team benchwarmers getting extra touches than that could be argued. But if Pipeline is taking starters, than yes, ignorant to have them play down with a younger team. To be honest, I’ve never heard of any club doing something like that, not even Loudoun. Other clubs will just bring players up a year or grab the best players from “B” team.

What ages is this across? Do they do the same on the boys side?
Anonymous
Post 03/27/2021 11:04     Subject: Re:Pipeline
Pipeline is the most corrupt and toxic club in the DC-MD-VA area. This is not coming from a bitter parent whose kid was dropped from the A team or who isn’t “tough enough”. Do NOT subject your kid and your family to this organization.

- Don’t be fooled by the “developmental opportunities” narrative, when it comes to kids playing up or down. They take A team players a year up and play them down on the A team a year below. Then, they can brag that their younger team was “top of the bracket playing a year up”. Their doing it this weekend at the Baltimore Mania tournament and have done it regularly over the past 5 years. Technically legal? Sure. Ethical? Absolutely not.

- Agree with the prior post. Guest players are sometimes recruits, but often kids who live 2-3 hours away and have no intention of joining the team or are “free agents” playing for multiple teams and leagues. It’s great to come home with trophies, but there is zero team unity. Every practice, every game, every tournament is a revolving door of new players.

- There is a Pipeline in-crowd. There the ones getting all the special treatment: true playing up opportunities, social media spotlights, real media spotlights, choice team placements without merit. Their parents are often assistant coaches in the club too. If you cross one of them, the “fake news” will spread like wildfire and they will work with the Piepline leadership (SR mostly) to try to ruin your kid.

- There is no player development although there is a ton of talent and natural athleticism on their teams. Watch any game though, and you’ll see the strategy is boot and run. They rarely maintain possession, because it’s never trained in practice. The teams are successful and the wins are great, but it’s often in spite of the coaches. If there is one reason to avoid this club, beyond the nastiness of the leadership and many of the in-crowd families, it’s because your kid will not become a better a player.
Anonymous
Post 03/26/2021 19:22     Subject: Re:Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pipeline recruits players from other clubs to play in tournaments rather that giving their top B team players a chance to guest. That speaks volumes.


Actually a few kids move from B to A in each age level each year. They also bring in outside kids.

It’s really weird how Piepe inspires some posters here to just make shit up.


There are two examples in the above thread of the past month bringing in guests and dropped A players to B for the tournament and you're suggesting that it was just made up? One of them (2010 girls across 3 teams) was fairly specific about the teams involved and tournament. Has nothing to do with tryouts or whether kids have a chance to move up in a given tryout cycle, but certainly appears to be true and relevant to someone looking for advice on how they communicate and manage their teams. I'm not sure which side of it I fall on, but I'd certainly want to know how they communicate and operate before hanging my money to the club.


I think it really just depends on the situation. I can see it from both sides. If my child was on the B and guest players were playing in tournaments vs bringing up my kid I think that would upset me if I honestly thought they belonged there. However, if my child was on the A team and I knew for a fact the B team players were unable to play at a decent level in a big tournament I would be perfectly fine with them bringing in a guest player they were trying to recruit. The better the kids are that your kid practices with all week the better your kid becomes.


Believe what you want but these ‘guest’ players are not recruits. They play for other clubs and are brought in to drive up the soccer rankings. Many don’t even live in the vicinity.
Anonymous
Post 03/26/2021 14:34     Subject: Re:Pipeline
Anonymous wrote:I agree with some of the comments that people can tend to make things up especially with the high emotions some of this can bring out. I currently have a player on one of the top girls teams at pipeline. The club has created one of the most hypocritical, demeaning, and toxic environments I have ever been exposed to in any youth sport or organization. Don’t take anyone’s word on what you will experience. I would suggest that you get a hold of the Pipeline/penn fusion game tape from Saturday, March 20. It was a great game. Too bad the coach missed the game as his girls fought back after going down 0-2. He was too busy screaming, being utterly disrespectful, demeaning and sarcastic to a group of 11-year-olds that he didn’t notice that they came back and won the game 3-2. If you have any inclination of having a girl join Pipeline do so at your own risk.


Is that the same coach who tells the players to play faster, when they are up by a lot? Also, I hope you are leaving the club, but if you're going to another ECNL team in the state, you might have similar issues.
Anonymous
Post 03/26/2021 12:32     Subject: Re:Pipeline
I agree with some of the comments that people can tend to make things up especially with the high emotions some of this can bring out. I currently have a player on one of the top girls teams at pipeline. The club has created one of the most hypocritical, demeaning, and toxic environments I have ever been exposed to in any youth sport or organization. Don’t take anyone’s word on what you will experience. I would suggest that you get a hold of the Pipeline/penn fusion game tape from Saturday, March 20. It was a great game. Too bad the coach missed the game as his girls fought back after going down 0-2. He was too busy screaming, being utterly disrespectful, demeaning and sarcastic to a group of 11-year-olds that he didn’t notice that they came back and won the game 3-2. If you have any inclination of having a girl join Pipeline do so at your own risk.