Anonymous
Post 03/09/2021 09:27     Subject: Re:Would surveillance testing get us back full-time? (APS)

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Anonymous wrote:I’m hopeful for the fall. However this would take lots of logistical planning because the number of students in person vs hybrid would greatly increase and I don’t know that 3 ft distancing is possible with full schools as they are now.


JFC. There is no reason they should not be 5-days in person next Fall. NONE.


Every.single.teacher will have had the vaccine and if they did not choose to take it they can step down. For those that have a medical issue that precludes them from getting the vaccine (should be very, very few), accommodations can be made. Helicopter parents that still can't let go of their kids next September, can home school.
Anonymous
Post 03/09/2021 09:25     Subject: Re:Would surveillance testing get us back full-time? (APS)

Anonymous wrote:I’m hopeful for the fall. However this would take lots of logistical planning because the number of students in person vs hybrid would greatly increase and I don’t know that 3 ft distancing is possible with full schools as they are now.


JFC. There is no reason they should not be 5-days in person next Fall. NONE.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2021 20:33     Subject: Re:Would surveillance testing get us back full-time? (APS)

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think surveillance testing would get us back full-time and I don't even think it is a good idea. I have a whole bunch of reasons for this.
1. I am not aware of any studies showing that surveillance testing has reduced spread.
2. Despite the hysteria, the vast majority of COVID spread comes from symptomatic and pre-symptomatic cases. There is very little evidence that truly asymptomatic (as opposed to presymptomatic) spread is happening.
3. The PCR tests are incredibly sensitive and do not distinguish between live and dead virus. Someone can continue to test positive for months after an infection- this is why the CDC specifically recommends against requiring a test to allow a ill person to resume activities. 'Surveillance' testing is likely to pick up on these dead cases-- this can plunge a class into quarantine, exclude kids from school, who have no biological way of spreading virus.
4. This would not satisfy those who don't want us to return. It will never be safe enough to justify leaving the couch, having to rehire the dog walker, and working in person 5 days a week.


This is a TIRED straw man argument. No one is advocating for DL or hybrid b/c they want to stay on the couch.


Honestly- I disagree. In the Summer it was all about how we needed a vaccine. Teachers have been vaccinated, yet they are still super resistant to returning. There is more going on here, then just fear of the virus.


It's simply because it's been all too easy for the past year. No teaching from March - June, then asynchronous Mondays followed by reduced hours with lots of days off, all remote. If they were back hybrid in the fall, this wouldn't be such a big deal, but it's gone on for so long it's hard to turn the corner.


Oh, shut up. I just gone done with my cushy Monday. I think we’ll be back full-time in the fall.


I mean with in-person school. I’m over time. Always. Most teachers are.
Anonymous
Post 03/08/2021 20:32     Subject: Re:Would surveillance testing get us back full-time? (APS)

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think surveillance testing would get us back full-time and I don't even think it is a good idea. I have a whole bunch of reasons for this.
1. I am not aware of any studies showing that surveillance testing has reduced spread.
2. Despite the hysteria, the vast majority of COVID spread comes from symptomatic and pre-symptomatic cases. There is very little evidence that truly asymptomatic (as opposed to presymptomatic) spread is happening.
3. The PCR tests are incredibly sensitive and do not distinguish between live and dead virus. Someone can continue to test positive for months after an infection- this is why the CDC specifically recommends against requiring a test to allow a ill person to resume activities. 'Surveillance' testing is likely to pick up on these dead cases-- this can plunge a class into quarantine, exclude kids from school, who have no biological way of spreading virus.
4. This would not satisfy those who don't want us to return. It will never be safe enough to justify leaving the couch, having to rehire the dog walker, and working in person 5 days a week.


This is a TIRED straw man argument. No one is advocating for DL or hybrid b/c they want to stay on the couch.


Honestly- I disagree. In the Summer it was all about how we needed a vaccine. Teachers have been vaccinated, yet they are still super resistant to returning. There is more going on here, then just fear of the virus.


It's simply because it's been all too easy for the past year. No teaching from March - June, then asynchronous Mondays followed by reduced hours with lots of days off, all remote. If they were back hybrid in the fall, this wouldn't be such a big deal, but it's gone on for so long it's hard to turn the corner.


Oh, shut up. I just gone done with my cushy Monday. I think we’ll be back full-time in the fall.