Anonymous
02/12/2021 07:03
Subject: Re:Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Is anyone worried about the poor baby? Nanny should escalate. She's the caregiver.
She’s a mandatory reporter. Frankly, she’s the one who has the right to require a doctor’s note, not OP, and if she doesn’t get it, she can assume the child wasn’t seen and contact CPS for medical neglect.
Anonymous
02/11/2021 14:39
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
In a normal situation where i was pulling my kid from the share I would feel obliged to find a new nanny and let the family I’m leaving in a lurch keep the current nanny. But in this case it’s trickier because she was your nanny first and she may prefer to stay with you. So the only way to handle is actually for the NANNY to sort of “fire” the second family and tell them it’s not working for HER.
You and she should discuss this ahead of time about how long you want to give them (2 weeks?) to find someone new and you may also need to pay the nanny more if there’s a period of time when it’s your child only and not the share
You and she should discuss this ahead of time about how long you want to give them (2 weeks?) to find someone new and you may also need to pay the nanny more if there’s a period of time when it’s your child only and not the share
Anonymous
02/11/2021 09:04
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I spent a lot of time at my cousin’s house when she was a new mom, and one of her son’s baby friends was a screamer. Not like a baby-sounding scream but a serious high-pitched one. She figured out one day how to make that noise, and really enjoyed it and did it all the time. My cousin’s baby picked it up eventually, though my cousin ignored it so he didn’t continue. It was just a behavior that got a lot of reaction for the other baby I think.
She seems to be fairly normal as an adult.
At 7 months though? My kids definitely did that when they were a bit older, like 12 months. My 7 year old still enjoys screaming and it drives me crazy. 7 months seems kind of young for deliberate screaming.
Yes, she was a young baby. Definitely not crawling. I remember them sitting in their little baby seats SCREAMING one after the other.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 21:52
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
My first was colicky and would cry/scream loudly too. She was in so much pain. Resolved around 1 yr.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 21:41
Subject: Re:Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:But gas doesnt JUST happen and happen for hours on end.
While not your problem they really need to do more for their baby than the pediatrician is willing to advise. Babies dont just scream for hours on end. Screaming or crying is pain.
Are bowel movements normal? Does she have any other symptoms?
Screaming is a biological response to pain. "GAS" is not a good enough explanation. Its also affecting your child as hearing another person scream goes straight to her amygdala.
"Normally, your brain takes a sound you hear and delivers it to a section of your brain dedicated to making sense of these sounds: What is the gender of the speaker? Their age? Their tone?
Screams, however, don’t seem to follow that route. Instead, the team discovered that screams are sent from the ear to the amygdala, the brain’s fear processing warehouse, says Poeppel.
“In brain imaging parts of the experiment, screams activate the fear circuitry of the brain,” he says. “The amygdala is a nucleus in the brain especially sensitive to information about fear.” That means screams are inherently considered not just sound but a trigger for heightened awareness.
From these screams, Poeppel and his team mapped “roughness,” an acoustic description for how fast a sound changes in loudness. While normal speech modulates between 4 and 5 Hz in sound variation, screams spike between 30 and 150 Hz. The higher the sound variation, the more terrifying the scream is perceived.
Poeppel and his team had volunteers listen to different alarm sounds and found people responded to alarms with similar variations: The more the alarms varied at higher rates, the more terrifying they were judged to be.
That huge variation in scream roughness is a clue to how our brains process danger sounds, Poeppel says. Screaming serves not only to convey danger but also to induce fear in the listener and heighten awareness for both screamer and listener to respond to their environment."
+1
Anonymous
02/10/2021 21:39
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here, would it be wrong to request they provide a note? Not sure how to handle this situation.
If you asked me for a note, I'd tell you to pound sand. Either you accept it or you find a different family.
If my child made screaming sounds such as this I'd seek professional help.
Such as going to the doctor for a diagnosis? If only the other family had thought to do that. Oh, wait . . .
The baby has been diagnosed, but it seems cruel and neglectful that he's not being treated. He's screaming because he's in pain. They need to do more.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 21:38
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:I spent a lot of time at my cousin’s house when she was a new mom, and one of her son’s baby friends was a screamer. Not like a baby-sounding scream but a serious high-pitched one. She figured out one day how to make that noise, and really enjoyed it and did it all the time. My cousin’s baby picked it up eventually, though my cousin ignored it so he didn’t continue. It was just a behavior that got a lot of reaction for the other baby I think.
She seems to be fairly normal as an adult.
At 7 months though? My kids definitely did that when they were a bit older, like 12 months. My 7 year old still enjoys screaming and it drives me crazy. 7 months seems kind of young for deliberate screaming.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 21:25
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
I spent a lot of time at my cousin’s house when she was a new mom, and one of her son’s baby friends was a screamer. Not like a baby-sounding scream but a serious high-pitched one. She figured out one day how to make that noise, and really enjoyed it and did it all the time. My cousin’s baby picked it up eventually, though my cousin ignored it so he didn’t continue. It was just a behavior that got a lot of reaction for the other baby I think.
She seems to be fairly normal as an adult.
She seems to be fairly normal as an adult.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 16:54
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:No advice on the screaming, but I don't think you'd be crazy to find another childcare arrangement for yourself. This situation sounds non-ideal for your 2 yo.
Agreed, that is a non-standard age difference for a nanny share. I would not want my 2YO in a nanny share with a baby that young, she would be dragged down by naps, etc
Anonymous
02/10/2021 16:26
Subject: Re:Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
But gas doesnt JUST happen and happen for hours on end.
While not your problem they really need to do more for their baby than the pediatrician is willing to advise. Babies dont just scream for hours on end. Screaming or crying is pain.
Are bowel movements normal? Does she have any other symptoms?
Screaming is a biological response to pain. "GAS" is not a good enough explanation. Its also affecting your child as hearing another person scream goes straight to her amygdala.
"Normally, your brain takes a sound you hear and delivers it to a section of your brain dedicated to making sense of these sounds: What is the gender of the speaker? Their age? Their tone?
Screams, however, don’t seem to follow that route. Instead, the team discovered that screams are sent from the ear to the amygdala, the brain’s fear processing warehouse, says Poeppel.
“In brain imaging parts of the experiment, screams activate the fear circuitry of the brain,” he says. “The amygdala is a nucleus in the brain especially sensitive to information about fear.” That means screams are inherently considered not just sound but a trigger for heightened awareness.
From these screams, Poeppel and his team mapped “roughness,” an acoustic description for how fast a sound changes in loudness. While normal speech modulates between 4 and 5 Hz in sound variation, screams spike between 30 and 150 Hz. The higher the sound variation, the more terrifying the scream is perceived.
Poeppel and his team had volunteers listen to different alarm sounds and found people responded to alarms with similar variations: The more the alarms varied at higher rates, the more terrifying they were judged to be.
That huge variation in scream roughness is a clue to how our brains process danger sounds, Poeppel says. Screaming serves not only to convey danger but also to induce fear in the listener and heighten awareness for both screamer and listener to respond to their environment."
While not your problem they really need to do more for their baby than the pediatrician is willing to advise. Babies dont just scream for hours on end. Screaming or crying is pain.
Are bowel movements normal? Does she have any other symptoms?
Screaming is a biological response to pain. "GAS" is not a good enough explanation. Its also affecting your child as hearing another person scream goes straight to her amygdala.
"Normally, your brain takes a sound you hear and delivers it to a section of your brain dedicated to making sense of these sounds: What is the gender of the speaker? Their age? Their tone?
Screams, however, don’t seem to follow that route. Instead, the team discovered that screams are sent from the ear to the amygdala, the brain’s fear processing warehouse, says Poeppel.
“In brain imaging parts of the experiment, screams activate the fear circuitry of the brain,” he says. “The amygdala is a nucleus in the brain especially sensitive to information about fear.” That means screams are inherently considered not just sound but a trigger for heightened awareness.
From these screams, Poeppel and his team mapped “roughness,” an acoustic description for how fast a sound changes in loudness. While normal speech modulates between 4 and 5 Hz in sound variation, screams spike between 30 and 150 Hz. The higher the sound variation, the more terrifying the scream is perceived.
Poeppel and his team had volunteers listen to different alarm sounds and found people responded to alarms with similar variations: The more the alarms varied at higher rates, the more terrifying they were judged to be.
That huge variation in scream roughness is a clue to how our brains process danger sounds, Poeppel says. Screaming serves not only to convey danger but also to induce fear in the listener and heighten awareness for both screamer and listener to respond to their environment."
Anonymous
02/10/2021 16:15
Subject: Re:Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
There could be a million different things going on. At 7 months, it can be tough to figure it out. Frankly, a doctor in the room with the baby for 10 minutes won’t likely take it that seriously.
In our case, the insane screaming 18 plus hours a day ended in a rate genetic disorder diagnosis by age 3. But many pediatricians didn’t take it seriously.
But honestly, none of that is your issue. Sounds like you just need to exit this arrangement.
In our case, the insane screaming 18 plus hours a day ended in a rate genetic disorder diagnosis by age 3. But many pediatricians didn’t take it seriously.
But honestly, none of that is your issue. Sounds like you just need to exit this arrangement.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 14:17
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It could also be a food allergy. Maybe allergic to milk or if breast fed, to something in moms milk.
Agree with this statement. Wouldn't the doctor have already addressed this options? Gas seems unlikely to cause this sound describe.
I used to watch a baby who would scream all day long and was inconsolable at times. The only reason I continued was because the family was so nice and they did take her to the doctor. The though elimination the doctor concluded that it was a milk allergy and the mom had to stop eating any dairy (baby was breast fed) and it was night and day difference. She had reflux and so that helped too. I agree that gas is not likely the cause of so much crying.
It’s also possible that all of the family ask the doctor about it they didn’t emphasize the gravity of the situation.
This happened with my poor nephew. Took my SIL ages to figure out he had a milk allergy, and doctors wouldn't help her until they noticed he wasn't gaining weight.
The only thing you can do is switch child.care arrangements or the nanny can drop that family until they find a better doctor and figure out what is wrong with their baby.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 14:12
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
My friend’s child screamed like that and it turned out he had suffered a stroke in utero.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 14:03
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder. If the parents failed to seek appropriate evolution for their child this is on them. What is the contract agreement if the share is not a fit?
screaming does not cause autism.
Nor did PP suggest that; that is not what biomarker means.
DP.
PP wrote "High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder."
What do you think "causative feature" means, then?
Right, missed that. Don't know if there are such findings. Anyway: Sheinkopf, S.J. et al. (2012) ‘Atypical cry acoustics in 6-month-old infants at risk for autism spectrum disorder.’ Autism Research, 5, 331-339.
unless that's a double-blind RCT, I'm not interested in reading it.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:42
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It could also be a food allergy. Maybe allergic to milk or if breast fed, to something in moms milk.
Agree with this statement. Wouldn't the doctor have already addressed this options? Gas seems unlikely to cause this sound describe.
I used to watch a baby who would scream all day long and was inconsolable at times. The only reason I continued was because the family was so nice and they did take her to the doctor. The though elimination the doctor concluded that it was a milk allergy and the mom had to stop eating any dairy (baby was breast fed) and it was night and day difference. She had reflux and so that helped too. I agree that gas is not likely the cause of so much crying.
It’s also possible that all of the family ask the doctor about it they didn’t emphasize the gravity of the situation.