Anonymous
Post 12/30/2020 06:47     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
God, you "tier" people are simpletons who can't handle slightly complex concepts. All of those schools listed are top-notch and better in certain programs than others, and extremely well respected by employers and grad schools. Why do you think that is helpful, necessary or accurate?

Also, you have no expertise in the subject even if there were a benefit to doing it. So please just stop.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2020 05:07     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:If the USA could only afford 8 schools they would be
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Annapolis
West Point
Hopkins
MIT
Stanford

Those are the most important national schools.


You finally learned to count to eight?
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2020 05:06     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The 8 most important schools for the United States are Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Annapolis, West Point, Hopkins and Stanford. Hopkins is the number one research institution by a wide margin.


Are you not into STEM schools like MIT?


And Hopkins is the number one research institution because of APL, not the University.


Not true. Hopkins gets the most money out of any school from the nih.


Who cares if hopkins is an ivy or not. It is better than many of the schools in the ivy list.


Maybe in pre-med but highly doubtful about that. False in terms of student caliber and outcomes. Hopkins loses cross admits battles to just about every ivy+ school. Most kids would rather go to an ivy (or MIT, Stanford, Chicago, Duke) than JHU. It’s not a top destination for any nationally known elite prep schools or selective publics. Not well known like Uchicago as a pipeline for academia either. The preprofessional scene is also terribly weak. Part of that cutthroat competition probably stems from its own insecurity complex.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2020 04:55     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The 8 most important schools for the United States are Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Annapolis, West Point, Hopkins and Stanford. Hopkins is the number one research institution by a wide margin.


This is woefully misinformed and deeply wishful thinking from a Johns Hopkins booster.

It's a good school. It's not at the level of HYPSM. (Yes, you missed out on MIT)


Probably on the same tier as Northwestern and Brown/Cornell. Below Columbia/Penn/Duke and UChicago/Dartmouth. But preference-wise probably ranks dead last among top elite privates.



Lol. Hopkins has more Nobel Prizes than UPenn, Duke, and Dartmouth. Also more than Northwestern. Brown and Cornell don't even belong in the same discussion.


So you’re saying is that the no. 1 research institution in America only got 29 Nobel prizes and can’t even break into top ten in the United States. Cornell has twice as many Nobel prizes than JHU. The official count for Penn is 26 whereas for JHU it’s only 29. NYU’s Nobel count isn’t that far off from JHU’s either. Good try.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2020 02:00     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The 8 most important schools for the United States are Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Annapolis, West Point, Hopkins and Stanford. Hopkins is the number one research institution by a wide margin.


This is woefully misinformed and deeply wishful thinking from a Johns Hopkins booster.

It's a good school. It's not at the level of HYPSM. (Yes, you missed out on MIT)


Probably on the same tier as Northwestern and Brown/Cornell. Below Columbia/Penn/Duke and UChicago/Dartmouth. But preference-wise probably ranks dead last among top elite privates.



Lol. Hopkins has more Nobel Prizes than UPenn, Duke, and Dartmouth. Also more than Northwestern. Brown and Cornell don't even belong in the same discussion.
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2020 01:51     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Johns Hopkin
Anonymous
Post 12/30/2020 01:47     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The 8 most important schools for the United States are Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Annapolis, West Point, Hopkins and Stanford. Hopkins is the number one research institution by a wide margin.


Are you not into STEM schools like MIT?


And Hopkins is the number one research institution because of APL, not the University.


Not true. Hopkins gets the most money out of any school from the nih.


Who cares if hopkins is an ivy or not. It is better than many of the schools in the ivy list.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2020 23:45     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:If the USA could only afford 8 schools they would be
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Annapolis
West Point
Hopkins
MIT
Stanford

Those are the most important national schools.


Lol ok Hopkins troll.

Good thing the USA can "only afford" many more schools, and that, oh, IDK, the best schools in the country are private.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2020 23:41     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
If the USA could only afford 8 schools they would be
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Annapolis
West Point
Hopkins
MIT
Stanford

Those are the most important national schools.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2020 22:49     Subject: Re:Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I see we have some Hopkins rejects on this thread.


Rejected by Hopkins and went to an Ivy, yes


Too bad that didn’t prevent you from being bitter and hostile.


Well, they went to Dartmouth.

Everything about this thread is absurd, and I actually think Dartmouth gets a bad rap, but this still made me laugh.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2020 22:37     Subject: Re:Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
I taught the undergraduate pre-med / biology courses at Hopkins and they were pretty far behind MIT in terms of modernization of lab courses and coursework.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2020 22:34     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
OP here.

I'm not a student, I'm a foreigner trying to understand the American method of ranking colleges and universities.

In my country there is no "college experience" because there are no campuses. No sports teams. There are some student dorms around certain universities, and low-cost student cafeterias, but mostly students try to find rooms somewhere around the university. There are no fraternities and sororities, very few clubs. Universities are ranked by the quality of teaching: how good the teachers are, how well-funded the programs are, what type of research is done. "School spirit" is not a factor - students want a prestigious degree, but prestige is based on academic prestige and possibly how well-connected the student and professors are in general, although that's mostly reserved for political sciences and things like that.

So... if you take out factors that have to do with sports, leisure, student social life, and keep factors that have to do with quality of learning and teaching...

What do you think would be the ranking of the top US universities? I thought Hopkins was among the best, but perhaps I'm wrong.





OP, it's a fair question. The fact of the matter is that the U.S. university system, especially at the top, is flush with money, so things like educational prestige, teaching quality, research, are a given -- in fact, they're among the best in the world (if not the best). So all the other trappings that you mention are what add to the American college experience; they are not there in lieu of the academics and intellectual output.

Roughly, the "rankings" of the tippy top US colleges goes somewhat like this:

Tier AAA+: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, MIT (some would maybe add Columbia to this tier)
Tier AAA: Columbia, UPenn, UChicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech
Tier AA: Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown, Johns Hopkins
Tier A: Rice, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame, UCLA, UC Berkeley, UMichigan

Something that is good to keep in mind is that there is a much higher number of "elite" schools in the U.S. than most other countries, again largely due to the aforementioned wealth concentrated at the top, as well as the general gravity that America commands in the world of academia.


I should add that every single one of the aforementioned universities are world-class, extremely prestigious universities, no matter what the commenters on DCUM and elsewhere might say. They all command budgets and endowments that easily place them in a peerless class of their own among world universities. Hopkins is certainly included in this group.


+1 - and keep in mind OP that Ivy League is not "the best" schools. Among the best, for sure, but there are just as many schools that are not in the Ivy League that are of an equal or higher calibre. JHU belongs to this group (Ivy Plus).
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2020 22:28     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:
OP here.

I'm not a student, I'm a foreigner trying to understand the American method of ranking colleges and universities.

In my country there is no "college experience" because there are no campuses. No sports teams. There are some student dorms around certain universities, and low-cost student cafeterias, but mostly students try to find rooms somewhere around the university. There are no fraternities and sororities, very few clubs. Universities are ranked by the quality of teaching: how good the teachers are, how well-funded the programs are, what type of research is done. "School spirit" is not a factor - students want a prestigious degree, but prestige is based on academic prestige and possibly how well-connected the student and professors are in general, although that's mostly reserved for political sciences and things like that.

So... if you take out factors that have to do with sports, leisure, student social life, and keep factors that have to do with quality of learning and teaching...

What do you think would be the ranking of the top US universities? I thought Hopkins was among the best, but perhaps I'm wrong.




Johns Hopkins is very good, probably the best, in medical and related fields. However, in most other fields it is good, not great, and its MBA program sucks.

Several of my friends and former coworkers taught (maybe still teach) there as adjunct professors, so I know it a bit.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2020 21:55     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Thanks.


It’s a member of the Centennial Conference:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Conference

I think it’s silly for people applying to college to try to rank schools with an admission rate under 20%. They’re all doing something right. You apply to the ones that seem survivable. If you get into multiple top schools and can afford to attend, then you get snooty about how they treat the undergraduates. Otherwise, learn to love your state flagship.


Men's lacrosse is in the Big 10, actually and JHU is part of the CIC as a result.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2020 21:52     Subject: Is John Hopkins an Ivy?
Anonymous wrote:The 8 most important schools for the United States are Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Annapolis, West Point, Hopkins and Stanford. Hopkins is the number one research institution by a wide margin.


Meaning, you have a connection to USNA and/or USMA, and you wish they were top-ranked. They’re not.

The Ivy League is a concrete set of schools. They have executed an athletic agreement, they have agreed on a set of admissions practices, and they used to be parties to a financial aid practices agreement that was knocked out by antitrust agencies a number of years ago. Dartmouth, Harvard, Brown, Yale, Cornell, Columbia, Princeton, Penn. That’s it. There are no other Ivies. But thanks for playing.