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Anonymous wrote:I am an original owner of a 1998 Carrera. I have put close to 100k miles on it and the vehicle has been highly reliable, comparable to what one would expect from a Toyota. Nothing other than scheduled service performed to date. Service, repairs, insurance, and taxes will be significantly higher vs Japanese or domestic brands. I’ve owned other German cars but Porsche is the only brand I feel is still well put together.

I'm an advocate for Porsche's reliability, but you arrived at this conclusion from owning one built-in 1998? Any more recent experience?

To the OP, here's some real actual data showing that Porsche ranks fairly high on reliability, and substantially because of how reliable the Cayenne is:

A bit disconcerting that a $100k+ car can't beat a Mazda or Toyota in terms of reliability.

Is the difference between a 75 and a 77 that meaningful, particularly when some cars are in the 30s?

I owned a Mazda with tons of issues and now own a Porsche with nothing but routine maintenance. I guess Mazda has improved but we had to get rid of that car earlier than planned because it was so repair prone.

The fact that a porsche is nearly tied at 75 vs 77 with a car that's potentially $120k+ less in price is a big deal.

Yea, it's quite an achievement, considering that Toyota still makes cars so simple that it doesn't even come with keyless entry.

KISS = engineering 101.

I don't think most Porsche owners care much about the $ value of the Consumer Reports rating.

-engineer

Well, it is fun to use it to poke at the people who do care about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an original owner of a 1998 Carrera. I have put close to 100k miles on it and the vehicle has been highly reliable, comparable to what one would expect from a Toyota. Nothing other than scheduled service performed to date. Service, repairs, insurance, and taxes will be significantly higher vs Japanese or domestic brands. I’ve owned other German cars but Porsche is the only brand I feel is still well put together.

I'm an advocate for Porsche's reliability, but you arrived at this conclusion from owning one built-in 1998? Any more recent experience?

To the OP, here's some real actual data showing that Porsche ranks fairly high on reliability, and substantially because of how reliable the Cayenne is:

A bit disconcerting that a $100k+ car can't beat a Mazda or Toyota in terms of reliability.

Is the difference between a 75 and a 77 that meaningful, particularly when some cars are in the 30s?

I owned a Mazda with tons of issues and now own a Porsche with nothing but routine maintenance. I guess Mazda has improved but we had to get rid of that car earlier than planned because it was so repair prone.

The fact that a porsche is nearly tied at 75 vs 77 with a car that's potentially $120k+ less in price is a big deal.

Yea, it's quite an achievement, considering that Toyota still makes cars so simple that it doesn't even come with keyless entry.

KISS = engineering 101.

I don't think most Porsche owners care much about the $ value of the Consumer Reports rating.

-engineer

Anonymous wrote:I kinda lost respect for the brand when they made a SUV

I did when they made a sedan.

<shudder>

I don’t see it as anymore expensive than other German cars, but they are a lot more reliable. Parts maybe slightly more but labor is about even with BMW, MB, Audi. The majority of the 911s are still on the road regardless of age and mileage. How often do you plan on driving the car ie. Daily driver or weekends only?

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Anonymous wrote:I kinda lost respect for the brand when they made a SUV

The Cayenne beat the 911 on the track.

I have owned both and the Cayenne is no 911.

I really want an enclosed porch but have settled for having owned three Porsche's in my lifetime. They are an absolute joy to drive. There is a big difference between the SUV and true sport car Porsche's - skip the macan and go for the 911.

They are expensive to own. Tires are close to $500 a piece, oil changes and yearly maintenance is $1000 plus. But...the joy of getting in that car and driving it is incredible. If you don't understand true joy in driving, you won't understand why someone would spend the money on a car like this.

Anonymous wrote:Were these tires run flats for cayenne? If not, there is no reason why other all-season tires with higher warranty (40-50K miles) wouldn't work.

By the time you get to the diameter, width, profile, and load rating for use on the Cayenne, they are all pretty expensive tires. Also, the point of getting a Porsche is driving enjoyment, not to save on tire wear.

Were these tires run flats for cayenne? If not, there is no reason why other all-season tires with higher warranty (40-50K miles) wouldn't work.

Anonymous wrote:Reliability depends on the number of miles you have on the car. Anything new or newish with less than 50K miles is really not a measurement of reliability.

But, POrsches are one of the best in the business for reliability and fun. Macan has been doing really well recently and have been rated as the best luxury small SUV.

How is Macan's reliability?

Anonymous wrote:If you’re replacing OEM tires with the exact same tire, you’re a clownshoe.

There are much better tires out there than OEM tires, for less money.

It depends on the car and what the owner wants out of the tires. The premium German brand cars all come with pretty good tires from the factory. There are some good aftermarket tires on the market but they may not be available in the right size. The Cayenne came with Pirelli Scorpion Verde All-season tires, which are pretty good tires and are reasonably priced among similar tires. We are not talking about tires on a Corolla here.

If you’re replacing OEM tires with the exact same tire, you’re a clownshoe.

There are much better tires out there than OEM tires, for less money.

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Anonymous wrote:Parts and labor are expensive. Period.

Depending upon which car you buy, they are bullet proof if you do its ordinary maintenance.

But unless you are an enthusiast or ego driven, why?

You will be paying a lot of money for engineering and performance you will never, ever use. Just think tires. They are high-performance, low profile, softer compound tires. You'll be lucky to get 15,000 miles out of them going to the grocery. Then, it's 300-500 a tire.

Those tires must be for the sports car, such as cayman, boxster, 911, etc, and not for SUV - Macan/Cayenne. They wouldn't put low profile tires on SUVs due to plenty of safety issues.

The Cayenne comes with Pirelli Scorpions. Not totally low profile but soft all seasons. People get right around 15,000 miles out of them. The fronts (which are smaller than the rears) run about 325. Times 2 plus installation. And that is if you order them online. Dealership will charge more like 400 each.

I owned three different Audi S cars, including the SQ5, and at no point was any tire less than $350 installed. Frequently the cost from the dealership was weirdly around the same price as tirerack. I always assumed all the decent cars had at least $300 tires

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Anonymous wrote:Parts and labor are expensive. Period.

Depending upon which car you buy, they are bullet proof if you do its ordinary maintenance.

But unless you are an enthusiast or ego driven, why?

You will be paying a lot of money for engineering and performance you will never, ever use. Just think tires. They are high-performance, low profile, softer compound tires. You'll be lucky to get 15,000 miles out of them going to the grocery. Then, it's 300-500 a tire.

Those tires must be for the sports car, such as cayman, boxster, 911, etc, and not for SUV - Macan/Cayenne. They wouldn't put low profile tires on SUVs due to plenty of safety issues.

The Cayenne comes with Pirelli Scorpions. Not totally low profile but soft all seasons. People get right around 15,000 miles out of them. The fronts (which are smaller than the rears) run about 325. Times 2 plus installation. And that is if you order them online. Dealership will charge more like 400 each.

Anonymous wrote:Parts and labor are expensive. Period.

Depending upon which car you buy, they are bullet proof if you do its ordinary maintenance.

But unless you are an enthusiast or ego driven, why?

You will be paying a lot of money for engineering and performance you will never, ever use. Just think tires. They are high-performance, low profile, softer compound tires. You'll be lucky to get 15,000 miles out of them going to the grocery. Then, it's 300-500 a tire.

Those tires must be for the sports car, such as cayman, boxster, 911, etc, and not for SUV - Macan/Cayenne. They wouldn't put low profile tires on SUVs due to plenty of safety issues.