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Anonymous wrote:If you can avoid it, try and get out of Rachel Carson. It's not Mormons or FARMS as the previous posters have said (which quite frankly seems ridiculous). Diversity in an elementary school is a good thing.

The issue is the administration is terrible. Turned over about 4 years ago, and the new principal is really disliked by the parents and many of the teachers. She doesn't seem like a bad person, just way in over her head and extremely under qualified. The rumor was that nobody else wanted the job given the size of the school and how tough many of the parents are, but obviously just a rumor - so who knows.

Think I'm crazy? Just look at how the school rankings have changed since she took over...we have all dealt with the overcrowding (and it's EXTREMELY overcrowded) because the school was so great. Not anymore.

It used to be one of the best, if not the best elem school in MCPS. But it's really gone downhill and shows no signs of improving. It's a hot topic across the Kentlands and Lakelands, but I just don't see it changing. All that said, there are some amazing teachers there who are trying their best.

We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

I find this hilarious since parents *hated* the previous principal. He didn't cave to every parent demand and knew how to handle the Karens in there day after day. If I heard someone taking about how they disliked him I would always say "you'll be sorry when he's gone" because he ran a very tight ship and held every teacher accountable, cut bad teachers out of the mix immediately, pushed trouble maker kids out and kept eyes on what was going on during every school event etc. Now that he's gone... Welp, here we are.

I didn’t realize parents hated him. I had a lot of respect for him. Under his tenure, RCES was a Blue Ribbon school less than a decade ago. He ran things the way he felt would work best and gave other people less input. It seemed to me that the new principal seemed to have more of a “Go ahead any make some suggestions, let’s shake things up and see what works” kind of approach, and some things didn’t work.

RCES is definitely overcrowded, but the class sizes aren’t any bigger than they are at other schools.

How crowded is RCES? And what is the average class size? Like 25 kids/1 teacher for k?

Yes, classes tend to be 24-26 students. The overcrowding doesn’t really affect classroom teaching, it affects core facilities. One grade is housed in portable classrooms, but they’re large and have heat and air conditioning and a covered walkway that connects them with the building. They just don’t have restrooms or classroom sinks. The all purpose room can only fit one grade at a time, so there are 6 different lunch periods, which means that one unlucky grade has to eat “lunch” at 10:30. A whole grade goes out to recess at the same time, so you’ll have 2-3 recess aides supervising 150 or more kids. Sometimes two classes have PE at the same time and must share the gym. Upper grades don’t have a set library time; the kids are given opportunities to visit the library, a few at a time, during reading. Anything that involves the entire school either has to split up by grade level (K-2 do it at this time, while 3-5 do it at this other time) or there’s totally inadequate parking around the school for parents. They used to invite 5th graders’ parent to the ceremonies on the last day of school, but now the students and staff fill the combined all purpose room and gymnasium space, so they can’t include parents.

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Anonymous wrote:If you can avoid it, try and get out of Rachel Carson. It's not Mormons or FARMS as the previous posters have said (which quite frankly seems ridiculous). Diversity in an elementary school is a good thing.

The issue is the administration is terrible. Turned over about 4 years ago, and the new principal is really disliked by the parents and many of the teachers. She doesn't seem like a bad person, just way in over her head and extremely under qualified. The rumor was that nobody else wanted the job given the size of the school and how tough many of the parents are, but obviously just a rumor - so who knows.

Think I'm crazy? Just look at how the school rankings have changed since she took over...we have all dealt with the overcrowding (and it's EXTREMELY overcrowded) because the school was so great. Not anymore.

It used to be one of the best, if not the best elem school in MCPS. But it's really gone downhill and shows no signs of improving. It's a hot topic across the Kentlands and Lakelands, but I just don't see it changing. All that said, there are some amazing teachers there who are trying their best.

We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

I find this hilarious since parents *hated* the previous principal. He didn't cave to every parent demand and knew how to handle the Karens in there day after day. If I heard someone taking about how they disliked him I would always say "you'll be sorry when he's gone" because he ran a very tight ship and held every teacher accountable, cut bad teachers out of the mix immediately, pushed trouble maker kids out and kept eyes on what was going on during every school event etc. Now that he's gone... Welp, here we are.

I didn’t realize parents hated him. I had a lot of respect for him. Under his tenure, RCES was a Blue Ribbon school less than a decade ago. He ran things the way he felt would work best and gave other people less input. It seemed to me that the new principal seemed to have more of a “Go ahead any make some suggestions, let’s shake things up and see what works” kind of approach, and some things didn’t work.

RCES is definitely overcrowded, but the class sizes aren’t any bigger than they are at other schools.

How crowded is RCES? And what is the average class size? Like 25 kids/1 teacher for k?

Yes, classes tend to be 24-26 students. The overcrowding doesn’t really affect classroom teaching, it affects core facilities. One grade is housed in portable classrooms, but they’re large and have heat and air conditioning and a covered walkway that connects them with the building. They just don’t have restrooms or classroom sinks. The all purpose room can only fit one grade at a time, so there are 6 different lunch periods, which means that one unlucky grade has to eat “lunch” at 10:30. A whole grade goes out to recess at the same time, so you’ll have 2-3 recess aides supervising 150 or more kids. Sometimes two classes have PE at the same time and must share the gym. Upper grades don’t have a set library time; the kids are given opportunities to visit the library, a few at a time, during reading. Anything that involves the entire school either has to split up by grade level (K-2 do it at this time, while 3-5 do it at this other time) or there’s totally inadequate parking around the school for parents. They used to invite 5th graders’ parent to the ceremonies on the last day of school, but now the students and staff fill the combined all purpose room and gymnasium space, so they can’t include parents.

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Anonymous wrote:If you can avoid it, try and get out of Rachel Carson. It's not Mormons or FARMS as the previous posters have said (which quite frankly seems ridiculous). Diversity in an elementary school is a good thing.

The issue is the administration is terrible. Turned over about 4 years ago, and the new principal is really disliked by the parents and many of the teachers. She doesn't seem like a bad person, just way in over her head and extremely under qualified. The rumor was that nobody else wanted the job given the size of the school and how tough many of the parents are, but obviously just a rumor - so who knows.

Think I'm crazy? Just look at how the school rankings have changed since she took over...we have all dealt with the overcrowding (and it's EXTREMELY overcrowded) because the school was so great. Not anymore.

It used to be one of the best, if not the best elem school in MCPS. But it's really gone downhill and shows no signs of improving. It's a hot topic across the Kentlands and Lakelands, but I just don't see it changing. All that said, there are some amazing teachers there who are trying their best.

We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

I find this hilarious since parents *hated* the previous principal. He didn't cave to every parent demand and knew how to handle the Karens in there day after day. If I heard someone taking about how they disliked him I would always say "you'll be sorry when he's gone" because he ran a very tight ship and held every teacher accountable, cut bad teachers out of the mix immediately, pushed trouble maker kids out and kept eyes on what was going on during every school event etc. Now that he's gone... Welp, here we are.

I didn’t realize parents hated him. I had a lot of respect for him. Under his tenure, RCES was a Blue Ribbon school less than a decade ago. He ran things the way he felt would work best and gave other people less input. It seemed to me that the new principal seemed to have more of a “Go ahead any make some suggestions, let’s shake things up and see what works” kind of approach, and some things didn’t work.

RCES is definitely overcrowded, but the class sizes aren’t any bigger than they are at other schools.

How crowded is RCES? And what is the average class size? Like 25 kids/1 teacher for k?

While we were there it was more like 28 or more

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Anonymous wrote:If you can avoid it, try and get out of Rachel Carson. It's not Mormons or FARMS as the previous posters have said (which quite frankly seems ridiculous). Diversity in an elementary school is a good thing.

The issue is the administration is terrible. Turned over about 4 years ago, and the new principal is really disliked by the parents and many of the teachers. She doesn't seem like a bad person, just way in over her head and extremely under qualified. The rumor was that nobody else wanted the job given the size of the school and how tough many of the parents are, but obviously just a rumor - so who knows.

Think I'm crazy? Just look at how the school rankings have changed since she took over...we have all dealt with the overcrowding (and it's EXTREMELY overcrowded) because the school was so great. Not anymore.

It used to be one of the best, if not the best elem school in MCPS. But it's really gone downhill and shows no signs of improving. It's a hot topic across the Kentlands and Lakelands, but I just don't see it changing. All that said, there are some amazing teachers there who are trying their best.

We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

I find this hilarious since parents *hated* the previous principal. He didn't cave to every parent demand and knew how to handle the Karens in there day after day. If I heard someone taking about how they disliked him I would always say "you'll be sorry when he's gone" because he ran a very tight ship and held every teacher accountable, cut bad teachers out of the mix immediately, pushed trouble maker kids out and kept eyes on what was going on during every school event etc. Now that he's gone... Welp, here we are.

I didn’t realize parents hated him. I had a lot of respect for him. Under his tenure, RCES was a Blue Ribbon school less than a decade ago. He ran things the way he felt would work best and gave other people less input. It seemed to me that the new principal seemed to have more of a “Go ahead any make some suggestions, let’s shake things up and see what works” kind of approach, and some things didn’t work.

RCES is definitely overcrowded, but the class sizes aren’t any bigger than they are at other schools.

How crowded is RCES? And what is the average class size? Like 25 kids/1 teacher for k?

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Anonymous wrote:If you can avoid it, try and get out of Rachel Carson. It's not Mormons or FARMS as the previous posters have said (which quite frankly seems ridiculous). Diversity in an elementary school is a good thing.

The issue is the administration is terrible. Turned over about 4 years ago, and the new principal is really disliked by the parents and many of the teachers. She doesn't seem like a bad person, just way in over her head and extremely under qualified. The rumor was that nobody else wanted the job given the size of the school and how tough many of the parents are, but obviously just a rumor - so who knows.

Think I'm crazy? Just look at how the school rankings have changed since she took over...we have all dealt with the overcrowding (and it's EXTREMELY overcrowded) because the school was so great. Not anymore.

It used to be one of the best, if not the best elem school in MCPS. But it's really gone downhill and shows no signs of improving. It's a hot topic across the Kentlands and Lakelands, but I just don't see it changing. All that said, there are some amazing teachers there who are trying their best.

We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

I find this hilarious since parents *hated* the previous principal. He didn't cave to every parent demand and knew how to handle the Karens in there day after day. If I heard someone taking about how they disliked him I would always say "you'll be sorry when he's gone" because he ran a very tight ship and held every teacher accountable, cut bad teachers out of the mix immediately, pushed trouble maker kids out and kept eyes on what was going on during every school event etc. Now that he's gone... Welp, here we are.

I didn’t realize parents hated him. I had a lot of respect for him. Under his tenure, RCES was a Blue Ribbon school less than a decade ago. He ran things the way he felt would work best and gave other people less input. It seemed to me that the new principal seemed to have more of a “Go ahead any make some suggestions, let’s shake things up and see what works” kind of approach, and some things didn’t work.

RCES is definitely overcrowded, but the class sizes aren’t any bigger than they are at other schools.

How crowded is RCES? And what is the average class size? Like 25 kids/1 teacher for k?

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Anonymous wrote:If you can avoid it, try and get out of Rachel Carson. It's not Mormons or FARMS as the previous posters have said (which quite frankly seems ridiculous). Diversity in an elementary school is a good thing.

The issue is the administration is terrible. Turned over about 4 years ago, and the new principal is really disliked by the parents and many of the teachers. She doesn't seem like a bad person, just way in over her head and extremely under qualified. The rumor was that nobody else wanted the job given the size of the school and how tough many of the parents are, but obviously just a rumor - so who knows.

Think I'm crazy? Just look at how the school rankings have changed since she took over...we have all dealt with the overcrowding (and it's EXTREMELY overcrowded) because the school was so great. Not anymore.

It used to be one of the best, if not the best elem school in MCPS. But it's really gone downhill and shows no signs of improving. It's a hot topic across the Kentlands and Lakelands, but I just don't see it changing. All that said, there are some amazing teachers there who are trying their best.

We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

I find this hilarious since parents *hated* the previous principal. He didn't cave to every parent demand and knew how to handle the Karens in there day after day. If I heard someone taking about how they disliked him I would always say "you'll be sorry when he's gone" because he ran a very tight ship and held every teacher accountable, cut bad teachers out of the mix immediately, pushed trouble maker kids out and kept eyes on what was going on during every school event etc. Now that he's gone... Welp, here we are.

I didn’t realize parents hated him. I had a lot of respect for him. Under his tenure, RCES was a Blue Ribbon school less than a decade ago. He ran things the way he felt would work best and gave other people less input. It seemed to me that the new principal seemed to have more of a “Go ahead any make some suggestions, let’s shake things up and see what works” kind of approach, and some things didn’t work.

RCES is definitely overcrowded, but the class sizes aren’t any bigger than they are at other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:If you can avoid it, try and get out of Rachel Carson. It's not Mormons or FARMS as the previous posters have said (which quite frankly seems ridiculous). Diversity in an elementary school is a good thing.

The issue is the administration is terrible. Turned over about 4 years ago, and the new principal is really disliked by the parents and many of the teachers. She doesn't seem like a bad person, just way in over her head and extremely under qualified. The rumor was that nobody else wanted the job given the size of the school and how tough many of the parents are, but obviously just a rumor - so who knows.

Think I'm crazy? Just look at how the school rankings have changed since she took over...we have all dealt with the overcrowding (and it's EXTREMELY overcrowded) because the school was so great. Not anymore.

It used to be one of the best, if not the best elem school in MCPS. But it's really gone downhill and shows no signs of improving. It's a hot topic across the Kentlands and Lakelands, but I just don't see it changing. All that said, there are some amazing teachers there who are trying their best.

We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

I find this hilarious since parents *hated* the previous principal. He didn't cave to every parent demand and knew how to handle the Karens in there day after day. If I heard someone taking about how they disliked him I would always say "you'll be sorry when he's gone" because he ran a very tight ship and held every teacher accountable, cut bad teachers out of the mix immediately, pushed trouble maker kids out and kept eyes on what was going on during every school event etc. Now that he's gone... Welp, here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:If you can avoid it, try and get out of Rachel Carson. It's not Mormons or FARMS as the previous posters have said (which quite frankly seems ridiculous). Diversity in an elementary school is a good thing.

The issue is the administration is terrible. Turned over about 4 years ago, and the new principal is really disliked by the parents and many of the teachers. She doesn't seem like a bad person, just way in over her head and extremely under qualified. The rumor was that nobody else wanted the job given the size of the school and how tough many of the parents are, but obviously just a rumor - so who knows.

Think I'm crazy? Just look at how the school rankings have changed since she took over...we have all dealt with the overcrowding (and it's EXTREMELY overcrowded) because the school was so great. Not anymore.

It used to be one of the best, if not the best elem school in MCPS. But it's really gone downhill and shows no signs of improving. It's a hot topic across the Kentlands and Lakelands, but I just don't see it changing. All that said, there are some amazing teachers there who are trying their best.

We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

There's a DCUM page for that!

Where is that page, link please? I am interested to read since we are zoned to Carson.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

There's a DCUM page for that!

Anonymous wrote:We’re a Lakelands family and have had to make the tough decision to send our kid to private ES. The old RCES principal was apparently well-loved, but people do not like the new one. Add that on top of everything else and we have to just opt out.

Anonymous wrote:If you can avoid it, try and get out of Rachel Carson. It's not Mormons or FARMS as the previous posters have said (which quite frankly seems ridiculous). Diversity in an elementary school is a good thing.

The issue is the administration is terrible. Turned over about 4 years ago, and the new principal is really disliked by the parents and many of the teachers. She doesn't seem like a bad person, just way in over her head and extremely under qualified. The rumor was that nobody else wanted the job given the size of the school and how tough many of the parents are, but obviously just a rumor - so who knows.

Think I'm crazy? Just look at how the school rankings have changed since she took over...we have all dealt with the overcrowding (and it's EXTREMELY overcrowded) because the school was so great. Not anymore.

It used to be one of the best, if not the best elem school in MCPS. But it's really gone downhill and shows no signs of improving. It's a hot topic across the Kentlands and Lakelands, but I just don't see it changing. All that said, there are some amazing teachers there who are trying their best.

Anonymous wrote:If you can avoid it, try and get out of Rachel Carson. It's not Mormons or FARMS as the previous posters have said (which quite frankly seems ridiculous). Diversity in an elementary school is a good thing.

The issue is the administration is terrible. Turned over about 4 years ago, and the new principal is really disliked by the parents and many of the teachers. She doesn't seem like a bad person, just way in over her head and extremely under qualified. The rumor was that nobody else wanted the job given the size of the school and how tough many of the parents are, but obviously just a rumor - so who knows.

Think I'm crazy? Just look at how the school rankings have changed since she took over...we have all dealt with the overcrowding (and it's EXTREMELY overcrowded) because the school was so great. Not anymore.

It used to be one of the best, if not the best elem school in MCPS. But it's really gone downhill and shows no signs of improving. It's a hot topic across the Kentlands and Lakelands, but I just don't see it changing. All that said, there are some amazing teachers there who are trying their best.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it or is it not a good school?

Some people seem to imply it would be better without kids being bused in from half way across the county.

It would have higher test scores if not for FARMS kids from (checks notes) 3.5 miles away.its still a nice school.
For the record, Captain Equity Crusader, the kids are not bussed to Rachel Carson because 'they're almost zoned there and will go to QO anyway'
They're bussed there from a leftover idea that integrating students with bussing will lead to a better academic outcome for them. Test scores show thats just not true. Those kids do poorly because they come from families that don't value education. The money spent on bussing and boundary studies would be better spent on programs educating the parents on why academics matter. And then training them how to do stuff like go to the library and read to their children. But that might hurt someone's feelings and then Captain Equity Crusader wouldn't know what to get his panties in a bunch about.

And to clear it up, if anything brings the school down, its the mean girls not the non local farms kids. But I am explaining what the OP would see if they look at the metrics for the school.