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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If everyone ate wild caught there would be such low supply and essentially unaffordable to a large swath of the population. What’s better? (Not being snarky, serious question.)

This is very true. The Monterrey Bay Aquarium has a list of fish that you should eat that are farm raised because of that fishes dwinding population. But they don't tell you which fishes have high levels of toxins from being farmed.

To the vegan PP, you do understand that there are many people who cannot grow their own food, not just because they don't have the land but because it actually takes a lot of time and money to do this. We have a large vegetable garden, and it's a time and money sucker, but we ejoy it.

And most vegans don't get enough protein. We have friends who were vegetarians, and they realized that their child was not getting enough protein so they started to eat....fish.

The Monterey Bay Aquarium does have a rating for chemical use. Also pathogens and feed quality among a lot of other environmental metrics. It's a great site and has been continually improved over years!

https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendation/salmon/salmon-atlantic-worldwide-indoor-recirculating-tank-with-wastewater-treatment?species=302

Spoiler - the best atlantic salmon are those raised in an indoor recirculating tank with wastewater treatment.

that's good to know. They used to hand out little cards that indicated which ones were ok to consume wild caught and which ones you should eat farm raised.

The problem witht their list is how do you know which brand gets their fish from such farms?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If everyone ate wild caught there would be such low supply and essentially unaffordable to a large swath of the population. What’s better? (Not being snarky, serious question.)

This is very true. The Monterrey Bay Aquarium has a list of fish that you should eat that are farm raised because of that fishes dwinding population. But they don't tell you which fishes have high levels of toxins from being farmed.

To the vegan PP, you do understand that there are many people who cannot grow their own food, not just because they don't have the land but because it actually takes a lot of time and money to do this. We have a large vegetable garden, and it's a time and money sucker, but we ejoy it.

And most vegans don't get enough protein. We have friends who were vegetarians, and they realized that their child was not getting enough protein so they started to eat....fish.

The Monterey Bay Aquarium does have a rating for chemical use. Also pathogens and feed quality among a lot of other environmental metrics. It's a great site and has been continually improved over years!

https://www.seafoodwatch.org/recommendation/salmon/salmon-atlantic-worldwide-indoor-recirculating-tank-with-wastewater-treatment?species=302

Spoiler - the best atlantic salmon are those raised in an indoor recirculating tank with wastewater treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:I really prefer the taste of farmed fish unfortunately

Yes! Yes, you do darling. Because nothing like a good fat Salmon that has been raised in the tinny tub with thousands of other just like him. This is an equivalent of fish hell. Imagine this beautiful, magnificent fish that should be free and swim happily and enjoy life
living all their lives circling around and so crowded that they can not even make a u turn if wanted. Would you like to live like that?

So, enjoy your farm raised Salmon and I hope next time you do you will see this clearly in your head and that feeling... how that poor fish struggles ever moment of their short lives and that freedom taken away from them. If this is kind of raising living creatures is not cruel. I am not sure what is..

Either way, wild caught or farm raised, the fish ends up dead. I don’t get the cruelty angle.

Its also fish. They don't have emotions, functional pain receptors and people buy them as household pets to keep in looking glass cages for their 6-year-olds to torture. So miss me with the 'fish hell' scenario.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is slowly dying from something. This particular issue doesn’t concern me in the least bit

What are some of your other favorite things to die slowly from?

Bacon and aspartame.

Same. I'd probably say sun exposure and tanning.

Also with the way people are acting in this pandemic and screaming 'only 1% will die' - freaking out over a .003 chance I'd die by salmon is low on my priority totem pole.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really prefer the taste of farmed fish unfortunately

Yes! Yes, you do darling. Because nothing like a good fat Salmon that has been raised in the tinny tub with thousands of other just like him. This is an equivalent of fish hell. Imagine this beautiful, magnificent fish that should be free and swim happily and enjoy life
living all their lives circling around and so crowded that they can not even make a u turn if wanted. Would you like to live like that?

So, enjoy your farm raised Salmon and I hope next time you do you will see this clearly in your head and that feeling... how that poor fish struggles ever moment of their short lives and that freedom taken away from them. If this is kind of raising living creatures is not cruel. I am not sure what is..

Either way, wild caught or farm raised, the fish ends up dead. I don’t get the cruelty angle.

Poor things.

Anonymous wrote:I really prefer the taste of farmed fish unfortunately

Yes! Yes, you do darling. Because nothing like a good fat Salmon that has been raised in the tinny tub with thousands of other just like him. This is an equivalent of fish hell. Imagine this beautiful, magnificent fish that should be free and swim happily and enjoy life
living all their lives circling around and so crowded that they can not even make a u turn if wanted. Would you like to live like that?

So, enjoy your farm raised Salmon and I hope next time you do you will see this clearly in your head and that feeling... how that poor fish struggles ever moment of their short lives and that freedom taken away from them. If this is kind of raising living creatures is not cruel. I am not sure what is..

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is slowly dying from something. This particular issue doesn’t concern me in the least bit

What are some of your other favorite things to die slowly from?

Bacon and aspartame.

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is slowly dying from something. This particular issue doesn’t concern me in the least bit

What are some of your other favorite things to die slowly from?

Ok. I guess I'll just eat steak then. Yum!

My 2 cents on this, for the people asking about atlantic and Norwegian farm raised. I've been in the restaurant industry in DC for some time and over the last 15 years this Scottish and Norwegian salmon has been introduced as a "higher quality" or exclusive product that is "cleaner" than your average farm-raised salmon. So when conscientious diners wonder "but isn't that farm-raised" we can assure them yes but it's farmed out in open ocean pens, only gets organic feed or whatever BS line they're pushing to sell it for $36. I guess I bought into this for a while, and maybe there truly are some exceptional salmon farms that don't suffer from these issues. My point is only that it was being marketed as a premium product and now that category is very muddled.

We buy Lidl’s salmon and eat it once, sometimes twice a week. Is that okay?

Everyone is slowly dying from something. This particular issue doesn’t concern me in the least bit

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If everyone ate wild caught there would be such low supply and essentially unaffordable to a large swath of the population. What’s better? (Not being snarky, serious question.)

This is very true. The Monterrey Bay Aquarium has a list of fish that you should eat that are farm raised because of that fishes dwinding population. But they don't tell you which fishes have high levels of toxins from being farmed.

To the vegan PP, you do understand that there are many people who cannot grow their own food, not just because they don't have the land but because it actually takes a lot of time and money to do this. We have a large vegetable garden, and it's a time and money sucker, but we ejoy it.

And most vegans don't get enough protein. We have friends who were vegetarians, and they realized that their child was not getting enough protein so they started to eat....fish.

I'm too vain to be vegan. It makes you hair and skin terrible and sallow no matter how balanced you think you eat or what supplements you take

Didn't the Norweigian salmon industry try to make a ton of changes since?