Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be like the flu shot where it will protect some from some strains and that's it.

Wrong. There is only one strain. There is a complete lack of scientific understanding on this board (and the American public in general).

It honestly makes me want to cry. But it explains so much. So much.

This is the result of absolutely crappy education in our country.

Myths:
1. Long haulers
2. Covid does anything more to your heart than the flu.
3. Wear a mask when you’re running.

You’re welcome.

1) cite?
2) cite?
3) cite?


Please and thank you.

1. Common sense.
2. Common sense.
3. Common sense.

You’re welcome again. No further responses other than go back to your bunker.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be like the flu shot where it will protect some from some strains and that's it.

Wrong. There is only one strain. There is a complete lack of scientific understanding on this board (and the American public in general).

It honestly makes me want to cry. But it explains so much. So much.

This is the result of absolutely crappy education in our country.

PP here. I had a pretty terrible education. I don’t think this is necessarily related to education. It is more being able to sift through a lot of nonsense and understand what is legitimate information and what is not. I don’t know how we teach that or if it is even possible. But the current state of the US and what so many believe is so worrisome. Vaccines will work because of antibodies, B cells, and T cells. Reinfection can happen but it is unlikely due to the same things. It is not surprising that we have seen low numbers of reinfection. Not everyone mounts a full immune response from infection (same with a vaccine). This is why we need a large number of people to get the vaccine. We will not get to herd immunity without it unless we are going to watch a lot of our fellow countrymen die. The good news is that the 2 vaccines that we have a dataset for indicate a high coverage (95%). This will help reduce the % we need to get the herd immunity (through a combination of infections and vaccines).

I went to public school my entire life. Not even very good ones. But I know how to interpret data and how to identify experts in relevant areas. This is what they all are saying.

I am doing my best to avoid an infection and hopefully will get a vaccine to provide my protection. MRNA vaccines are really cool.

Education is a vague goal. What we lack and sorely need is "scientific literacy." Here is a definition of that form the National Academy of Sciences:

SCIENTIFIC LITERACY. Scientific literacy is the knowledge and understanding of scientific concepts and processes required for personal decision making, participation in civic and cultural affairs, and economic productivity. It also includes specific types of abilities. In the National Science Education Standards, the content standards define scientific literacy.

Scientific literacy means that a person can ask, find, or determine answers to questions derived from curiosity about everyday experiences. It means that a person has the ability to describe, explain, and predict natural phenomena. Scientific literacy entails being able to read with understanding articles about science in the popular press and to engage in social conversation about the validity of the conclusions. Scientific literacy implies that a person can identify scientific issues underlying national and local decisions and express positions that are scientifically and technologically informed. A literate citizen should be able to evaluate the quality of scientific information on the basis of its source and the methods used to generate it. Scientific literacy also implies the capacity to pose and evaluate arguments based on evidence and to apply conclusions from such arguments appropriately.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be like the flu shot where it will protect some from some strains and that's it.

Wrong. There is only one strain. There is a complete lack of scientific understanding on this board (and the American public in general).

It honestly makes me want to cry. But it explains so much. So much.

This is the result of absolutely crappy education in our country.

Myths:
1. Long haulers
2. Covid does anything more to your heart than the flu.
3. Wear a mask when you’re running.

You’re welcome.

1) cite?
2) cite?
3) cite?


Please and thank you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be like the flu shot where it will protect some from some strains and that's it.

Wrong. There is only one strain. There is a complete lack of scientific understanding on this board (and the American public in general).

It honestly makes me want to cry. But it explains so much. So much.

This is the result of absolutely crappy education in our country.

PP here. I had a pretty terrible education. I don’t think this is necessarily related to education. It is more being able to sift through a lot of nonsense and understand what is legitimate information and what is not. I don’t know how we teach that or if it is even possible. But the current state of the US and what so many believe is so worrisome. Vaccines will work because of antibodies, B cells, and T cells. Reinfection can happen but it is unlikely due to the same things. It is not surprising that we have seen low numbers of reinfection. Not everyone mounts a full immune response from infection (same with a vaccine). This is why we need a large number of people to get the vaccine. We will not get to herd immunity without it unless we are going to watch a lot of our fellow countrymen die. The good news is that the 2 vaccines that we have a dataset for indicate a high coverage (95%). This will help reduce the % we need to get the herd immunity (through a combination of infections and vaccines).

I went to public school my entire life. Not even very good ones. But I know how to interpret data and how to identify experts in relevant areas. This is what they all are saying.

I am doing my best to avoid an infection and hopefully will get a vaccine to provide my protection. MRNA vaccines are really cool.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Reinfection is rare. Antibodies will decrease over time, but people develop B and T cells that then work against a reintroduction of the virus.

2. Vaccines often cause a more robust immune response than if you had been infected.

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread and in others.

This, and the other pp who wrote that herd immunity does require a vaccine, are the two posts to take away from this thread.

+1. People like you are restoring my faith in educated humanity.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people do get long term immunity from COVID. Reinfection is rare, and it's not clear if these are true reinfections or that the virus was hiding in the body and then flared up again.

Wrong. I got COVID. Now I am negative on the antibody test 5 months later. My friend got it twice. So, no. We are not even getting short term immunity from COVID. And the disease is not that old that we can say that there is long term immunity.

There is so much misinformation. Top immunologists will tell you that just b/c the detectable antibody level is zero, doesn't mean you don't have T cell memory immunity. Detectable antibody levels are a bit of a red herring.

I didn't know this thanks. Just saw a study the other day (british maybe?) that showed antibody levels dropped within months and it concerned me, so appreciate this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be like the flu shot where it will protect some from some strains and that's it.

Wrong. There is only one strain. There is a complete lack of scientific understanding on this board (and the American public in general).

It honestly makes me want to cry. But it explains so much. So much.

This is the result of absolutely crappy education in our country.

Myths:
1. Long haulers
2. Covid does anything more to your heart than the flu.
3. Wear a mask when you’re running.

You’re welcome.

What you’re describing sounds an awful lot like “herd immunity”.

I thought that was bogus.

Herd immunity is not bogus. It is a very bad idea to achieve this by letting the virus run rampant, because we will incur millions of deaths and millions more severe illnesses before reaching that point. And, most vaccines provide better immunity than the antibodies produced by the disease. I mean, do you want herd immunity from polio by vaccine or by everyone getting polio?!!

Right now, we have a ton of people who are hosting and replicating the virus and a ton of potential hosts. If you vaccinate 90% of the population, most of those will not be able to spread the virus and thus the virus cannot keep successfully spreading and sickening and killing people. This does not mean it is entirely wiped out (like measles and polio) but right now the virus is like someone who just walked into a huge buffet and can have whatever they want for free, no limits.

Finally, people do get flu shots yearly. This is not a one and done deal. Until covid is controlled, people may have to re-up vaccines, but right now there is not a huge amount of evidence pointing to easy reinfection (and for some people it is a question of the same infection versus reinfection, but they can do genetic testing to figure that out).

by the way, i work in the arts. I am not in science or a researcher, this is basic stuff you should get from reading a newspaper. or looking at a vetted website.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reinfection rates are very low, so are the people whom the vaccine won’t work on. Nothing is perfect in medicine

That’s not what I keep reading here. People keep posting that you can re-infected almost immediately, and that it gets worse each time.

So who’s lying here? All of them? Or you?

This is very frustrating.

Why would you assume anyone posting on an anonymous forum is an expert?

I read this board just about every day and don't remember seeing multiple posts of reinfection. What I do remember reading is that people who had it (or "are pretty sure they had it") still need to be cautious because we aren't sure about the long-term immunity situation. That said, the research is promising that so few show evidence of reinfections.

Herd immunity is real, but with the number of travelers, not to mention births, it's not clear it is achievable unless it rips through the entire world.

Because the Covid vaccine will probably have to be taken once a year, like the flu vaccine.

But we won't know for a while--its a new virus and it takes time to do these studies.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ajmc.com/view/first-case-of-covid-19-reinfection-detected-in-the-us

This is from early October:

A young man in Nevada is the first reported case of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) reinfection in the United States and the fifth case of reinfection worldwide, according to a new case study published Monday. The second reinfection was more serious than the first, but he has since recovered.

There's something on the CDC site to the effect that unless they have samples from the initial infection, they can't KNOW if a person is a re-infection case, and a few people have remained infected for months (there was a woman with leukemia who had active virus for 70 days although she never had symptoms at all--her infection was discovered because she was hospitalized for a different reason and tested when she was admitted).

Do you realize how rare it is to have 5 reinfections out of 58 million cases worldwide?

https://www.ajmc.com/view/first-case-of-covid-19-reinfection-detected-in-the-us

This is from early October:

A young man in Nevada is the first reported case of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) reinfection in the United States and the fifth case of reinfection worldwide, according to a new case study published Monday. The second reinfection was more serious than the first, but he has since recovered.

There's something on the CDC site to the effect that unless they have samples from the initial infection, they can't KNOW if a person is a re-infection case, and a few people have remained infected for months (there was a woman with leukemia who had active virus for 70 days although she never had symptoms at all--her infection was discovered because she was hospitalized for a different reason and tested when she was admitted).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The immune response from the vaccine starts out as much higher than someone who had COVID, but will drop off eventually - 6 months to a year. So most likely people will need to be re vaccinated. It just haven’t been discussing that yet.

Also if enough people can get vaccinated, we can contain the virus before the immune response from the vaccine drops making infection much more difficult

What you’re describing sounds an awful lot like “herd immunity”.

I thought that was bogus.

No, herd immunity is not bogus! That’s what we want. The more people who are immune (the “herd”) the more protection for everyone else. What is bogus is the idea that we can just let the virus burn through our country to achieve herd immunity. That is dangerous and will lead to many, many, more deaths. That’s why a vaccine is so important because it will get us to herd immunity without all the excess deaths.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be like the flu shot where it will protect some from some strains and that's it.

Wrong. There is only one strain. There is a complete lack of scientific understanding on this board (and the American public in general).

It honestly makes me want to cry. But it explains so much. So much.

This is the result of absolutely crappy education in our country.