Anonymous wrote:When will us asian stopped getting knocked around by liberal whites and blacks

Once you stop beating the whites.

It is plain old envy. They were fine when you were poor, little minority. Now that you are progressing and working hard to surpass then, you need to be knocked around. And it is being done which hiding behind. Good old divide and rule. I think it is the black community that needs to realize this. They are being taken advantage of with tokenist solutions.

Pardon the gross generalizations...obviously, this doesn't apply to all people in the communities referred to above. exceptions prove the rule have a good weekend.

When will us asian stopped getting knocked around by liberal whites and blacks

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so wrong to prepare for tests? Do they want only lazy smart kids?

I doubt they only want lazy smart kids. Mine always did quite well on nationally normed or standardized tests with minimum or no prep. If anyone reads the brief there is one key point. The brief: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/0a8f89b7-005e-4b54-904d-5abbe494a46e/2020_11-04_Families%20vs.%20FCPS%20Scott%20Brabrand.pdf

TJ is a Governor's School for the gifted and under VA regs nationally normed tests are required. Technically we have NO test and it's not a school for the gifted hence NO state funding stream. Fairfax county taxpayers provide over 3m on top of the per pupil cost for a base AP school .

Of course Virginia could change that reg and do whatever it wants to get the desired student mix at TJ. FCPS could keep a test and lower the prior pool. I object to the $ for the entire admissions process , the 3m, and no app fee revenue to offset the process. Qarni tweeted this yesterday:
Atif Qarni
@VASecofEdu
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School segregation did not end with Brown v. Board of Ed., it evolved. Despite increasing diversity of VA’s student population, new data shows that many students can’t access benefits of diverse schools due to continued school segregation in Virginia. https://thecommonwealthinstitute.org/2020/11/12/modern-day-school-segregation-addressing-the-lasting-impacts-of-racist-choices-on-virginias-education-system/.

I suspect that based on Qarni tweeting this document that FCPS will be redrawing boundaries based on intra-district SES and demographics [see page 15]
and some districts could be combined to achieve the goal. Locally it could be a merge of FCCPS into FCPS. Then there is on the same page maanged school choice.

So given the political climate these parents are wasting their money on this lawsuit.

unless they bring back bussing, Langley will stay defacto segregated as well as the best high school in the county.

Solving the Langley issue is beyond easy. All of the apartments in Tysons that are currently zoned for Spring Hill/Longfellow/McLean just switch to Spring Hill/Cooper/Langley.

Virtually the entire middle/low income population at Spring Hill comes from the apartments in Tysons. It would make sense to keep the kids together K-12 and would also solve the overcrowding at McLean.

Also, Langley wants to have a bigger student body! There are activities that are slowly dying because there are not enough kids! I think the hand wringing over Langley is being created by TJ parents that want to shift the spotlight. It’s very strange and redoing the Langley boundaries has broad support. The real reason that it has not already happened is that Cooper just started a renovation, so the county decided to redo the process to align MS and HS. It was super annoying since they had already held so many meetings, but that is FCPS for you.

It wasn’t “super annoying” if you realized FCPS had been setting your kid up to be in the @25-30% of Spring Hill kids going to Longfellow rather than Cooper and then in the 10% of Longfellow kids going to Langley rather than McLean. Maybe now they’ll take a few minutes away from obsessing about TJ and their other issues to figure out a sensible feeder pattern and feasible timeframe. I’ve never seen a less prepared group than the FCPS staff that held the community meetings at Langley and McLean in late 2019. Fortunately, once Elaine Tholen got elected, she made them slow down and start to do more work.

Anonymous wrote:When will TJ admission process be finalized ? will this lawsuit slows the final decision?

The school board is holding a work session next week.

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Anonymous wrote:They at least hired a real law firm, but it's still mostly a publicity stunt. You can tell by the way the complaint unnecessarily details the jobs of the parents, as if that's somehow relevant to who attends TJ. Note: It isn't; it's just PR about how uniquely hard-working and "deserving" these Asian parents think of themselves and their children.

The most significant claim is that VA law requires admissions to Governor's Schools to be based, at least in part, on the type of test that FCPS decided to eliminate this year (although the exigencies of Covid-19 may provide an out there for FCPS). Also, it's not clear any of the plaintiffs (middle school students) would actually have standing until they've been turned down from TJ, which hasn't happened yet.

And if the plaintiffs made any headway, FCPS could just decide to turn TJ back into a local school. A court isn't going to force a county school board to operate one of its schools as a Governor's School. But perhaps that's what they really want - if TJ can't continue to serve 70-75% test-prepped Asian kids primarily from three middle schools, they'll do what they can to make sure the magnet program gets shut down entirely.

Long overdue. Time to shut TJ for good

Or turn it into an academy that offers courses and labs not offered at the base schools. Most of the freshman/sophomore and even junior year classes ARE offered at most of the FCPS high schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so wrong to prepare for tests? Do they want only lazy smart kids?

I doubt they only want lazy smart kids. Mine always did quite well on nationally normed or standardized tests with minimum or no prep. If anyone reads the brief there is one key point. The brief: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/0a8f89b7-005e-4b54-904d-5abbe494a46e/2020_11-04_Families%20vs.%20FCPS%20Scott%20Brabrand.pdf

TJ is a Governor's School for the gifted and under VA regs nationally normed tests are required. Technically we have NO test and it's not a school for the gifted hence NO state funding stream. Fairfax county taxpayers provide over 3m on top of the per pupil cost for a base AP school .

Of course Virginia could change that reg and do whatever it wants to get the desired student mix at TJ. FCPS could keep a test and lower the prior pool. I object to the $ for the entire admissions process , the 3m, and no app fee revenue to offset the process. Qarni tweeted this yesterday:
Atif Qarni
@VASecofEdu
·
23h
School segregation did not end with Brown v. Board of Ed., it evolved. Despite increasing diversity of VA’s student population, new data shows that many students can’t access benefits of diverse schools due to continued school segregation in Virginia. https://thecommonwealthinstitute.org/2020/11/12/modern-day-school-segregation-addressing-the-lasting-impacts-of-racist-choices-on-virginias-education-system/.

I suspect that based on Qarni tweeting this document that FCPS will be redrawing boundaries based on intra-district SES and demographics [see page 15]
and some districts could be combined to achieve the goal. Locally it could be a merge of FCCPS into FCPS. Then there is on the same page maanged school choice.

So given the political climate these parents are wasting their money on this lawsuit.

unless they bring back bussing, Langley will stay defacto segregated as well as the best high school in the county.

Solving the Langley issue is beyond easy. All of the apartments in Tysons that are currently zoned for Spring Hill/Longfellow/McLean just switch to Spring Hill/Cooper/Langley.

Virtually the entire middle/low income population at Spring Hill comes from the apartments in Tysons. It would make sense to keep the kids together K-12 and would also solve the overcrowding at McLean.

Also, Langley wants to have a bigger student body! There are activities that are slowly dying because there are not enough kids! I think the hand wringing over Langley is being created by TJ parents that want to shift the spotlight. It’s very strange and redoing the Langley boundaries has broad support. The real reason that it has not already happened is that Cooper just started a renovation, so the county decided to redo the process to align MS and HS. It was super annoying since they had already held so many meetings, but that is FCPS for you.

If you don’t believe me that Cooper/Longfellow is the bottleneck, go and look at the March 9th School Board meeting.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is it so wrong to prepare for tests? Do they want only lazy smart kids?

I doubt they only want lazy smart kids. Mine always did quite well on nationally normed or standardized tests with minimum or no prep. If anyone reads the brief there is one key point. The brief: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/0a8f89b7-005e-4b54-904d-5abbe494a46e/2020_11-04_Families%20vs.%20FCPS%20Scott%20Brabrand.pdf

TJ is a Governor's School for the gifted and under VA regs nationally normed tests are required. Technically we have NO test and it's not a school for the gifted hence NO state funding stream. Fairfax county taxpayers provide over 3m on top of the per pupil cost for a base AP school .

Of course Virginia could change that reg and do whatever it wants to get the desired student mix at TJ. FCPS could keep a test and lower the prior pool. I object to the $ for the entire admissions process , the 3m, and no app fee revenue to offset the process. Qarni tweeted this yesterday:
Atif Qarni
@VASecofEdu
·
23h
School segregation did not end with Brown v. Board of Ed., it evolved. Despite increasing diversity of VA’s student population, new data shows that many students can’t access benefits of diverse schools due to continued school segregation in Virginia. https://thecommonwealthinstitute.org/2020/11/12/modern-day-school-segregation-addressing-the-lasting-impacts-of-racist-choices-on-virginias-education-system/.

I suspect that based on Qarni tweeting this document that FCPS will be redrawing boundaries based on intra-district SES and demographics [see page 15]
and some districts could be combined to achieve the goal. Locally it could be a merge of FCCPS into FCPS. Then there is on the same page maanged school choice.

So given the political climate these parents are wasting their money on this lawsuit.

unless they bring back bussing, Langley will stay defacto segregated as well as the best high school in the county.

Solving the Langley issue is beyond easy. All of the apartments in Tysons that are currently zoned for Spring Hill/Longfellow/McLean just switch to Spring Hill/Cooper/Langley.

Virtually the entire middle/low income population at Spring Hill comes from the apartments in Tysons. It would make sense to keep the kids together K-12 and would also solve the overcrowding at McLean.

Also, Langley wants to have a bigger student body! There are activities that are slowly dying because there are not enough kids! I think the hand wringing over Langley is being created by TJ parents that want to shift the spotlight. It’s very strange and redoing the Langley boundaries has broad support. The real reason that it has not already happened is that Cooper just started a renovation, so the county decided to redo the process to align MS and HS. It was super annoying since they had already held so many meetings, but that is FCPS for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is it so wrong to prepare for tests? Do they want only lazy smart kids?

I doubt they only want lazy smart kids. Mine always did quite well on nationally normed or standardized tests with minimum or no prep. If anyone reads the brief there is one key point. The brief: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/0a8f89b7-005e-4b54-904d-5abbe494a46e/2020_11-04_Families%20vs.%20FCPS%20Scott%20Brabrand.pdf

TJ is a Governor's School for the gifted and under VA regs nationally normed tests are required. Technically we have NO test and it's not a school for the gifted hence NO state funding stream. Fairfax county taxpayers provide over 3m on top of the per pupil cost for a base AP school .

Of course Virginia could change that reg and do whatever it wants to get the desired student mix at TJ. FCPS could keep a test and lower the prior pool. I object to the $ for the entire admissions process , the 3m, and no app fee revenue to offset the process. Qarni tweeted this yesterday:
Atif Qarni
@VASecofEdu
·
23h
School segregation did not end with Brown v. Board of Ed., it evolved. Despite increasing diversity of VA’s student population, new data shows that many students can’t access benefits of diverse schools due to continued school segregation in Virginia. https://thecommonwealthinstitute.org/2020/11/12/modern-day-school-segregation-addressing-the-lasting-impacts-of-racist-choices-on-virginias-education-system/.

I suspect that based on Qarni tweeting this document that FCPS will be redrawing boundaries based on intra-district SES and demographics [see page 15]
and some districts could be combined to achieve the goal. Locally it could be a merge of FCCPS into FCPS. Then there is on the same page maanged school choice.

So given the political climate these parents are wasting their money on this lawsuit.

unless they bring back bussing, Langley will stay defacto segregated as well as the best high school in the county.

Anonymous wrote:They at least hired a real law firm, but it's still mostly a publicity stunt. You can tell by the way the complaint unnecessarily details the jobs of the parents, as if that's somehow relevant to who attends TJ. Note: It isn't; it's just PR about how uniquely hard-working and "deserving" these Asian parents think of themselves and their children.

The most significant claim is that VA law requires admissions to Governor's Schools to be based, at least in part, on the type of test that FCPS decided to eliminate this year (although the exigencies of Covid-19 may provide an out there for FCPS). Also, it's not clear any of the plaintiffs (middle school students) would actually have standing until they've been turned down from TJ, which hasn't happened yet.

And if the plaintiffs made any headway, FCPS could just decide to turn TJ back into a local school. A court isn't going to force a county school board to operate one of its schools as a Governor's School. But perhaps that's what they really want - if TJ can't continue to serve 70-75% test-prepped Asian kids primarily from three middle schools, they'll do what they can to make sure the magnet program gets shut down entirely.

Long overdue. Time to shut TJ for good

Anonymous wrote:Why is it so wrong to prepare for tests? Do they want only lazy smart kids?

I doubt they only want lazy smart kids. Mine always did quite well on nationally normed or standardized tests with minimum or no prep. If anyone reads the brief there is one key point. The brief: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/0a8f89b7-005e-4b54-904d-5abbe494a46e/2020_11-04_Families%20vs.%20FCPS%20Scott%20Brabrand.pdf

TJ is a Governor's School for the gifted and under VA regs nationally normed tests are required. Technically we have NO test and it's not a school for the gifted hence NO state funding stream. Fairfax county taxpayers provide over 3m on top of the per pupil cost for a base AP school .

Of course Virginia could change that reg and do whatever it wants to get the desired student mix at TJ. FCPS could keep a test and lower the prior pool. I object to the $ for the entire admissions process , the 3m, and no app fee revenue to offset the process. Qarni tweeted this yesterday:
Atif Qarni
@VASecofEdu
·
23h
School segregation did not end with Brown v. Board of Ed., it evolved. Despite increasing diversity of VA’s student population, new data shows that many students can’t access benefits of diverse schools due to continued school segregation in Virginia. https://thecommonwealthinstitute.org/2020/11/12/modern-day-school-segregation-addressing-the-lasting-impacts-of-racist-choices-on-virginias-education-system/.

I suspect that based on Qarni tweeting this document that FCPS will be redrawing boundaries based on intra-district SES and demographics [see page 15]
and some districts could be combined to achieve the goal. Locally it could be a merge of FCCPS into FCPS. Then there is on the same page maanged school choice.

So given the political climate these parents are wasting their money on this lawsuit.

When will TJ admission process be finalized ? will this lawsuit slows the final decision?

Anonymous wrote:Why is it so wrong to prepare for tests? Do they want only lazy smart kids?

Do you want a school with little to no diversity? Do you want to have kids excluded who have traditionally been excluded from tj?

Why is it so wrong to prepare for tests? Do they want only lazy smart kids?

What do you think of this?

http://media.ca1.uscourts.gov/pdf.opinions/19-2005P-01A.pdf
Summary:

In ‘19, Harvard received 35,000 applicants and admits about 1,600 students. per year, the opinion said. Last year, it received around 35,000 students. During the review process, ratings are given based on academic ability, extracurricular activities, athletic, recommendations, personal factors (including “likability” and kindness), and an overall assessment. An applicant’s race can be a plus in the overall assessment. The admissions considers race, ethnicity, legacy status and socioeconomic status.

Plaintiffs were the Students for Fair Admissions, and they claimed that it discriminated against Asian Americans. They were appealing a lower court ruling. The lower court said it “is not perfect,” but it serves “a compelling, permissible and substantial interest” that is narrowly tailored to achieve diversity. The lower court also said that Harvard doesn’t have a quota for students of any racial group, but it tracks how each group is faring with an eye toward achieving racial diversity and a rich experience for students. Harvard’s process were part of a holistic review process. The lower court acknowledged that Asian Americans would likely be admitted at a higher rate if admissions decisions were based solely on academic and extracurricular ratings however the lower court found no intentional discrimination against Asian Americans.

This link above is the brand new appellate court decision. The first circuit ruled in a 2-0 result, that Harvard’s race-conscious admissions program does not violate Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, which bars discrimination in programs that receive federal funds. (FCPS does receive some federal funding).
The 1st Circuit agreed with Burroughs (the lower court judge) that Harvard’s admissions program was narrowly tailored and consistent with U.S. Supreme Court precedent. The appeals court found no error in Burroughs’ analysis.

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Anonymous wrote:I read another article where they interviewed some of the plaintiffs and included parents who were upset that their kids who had been prepping for the entrance exam for a while might not get a shot. One parent moved to VA when the kid was a baby thinking he wanted the kid to go to TJ. In other words, they are proving the stereotypes right.

It really is sad. They don’t even realize what they’re saying.

This. They moved in 2009 because of tj. The kid is a 7th grader. He’s likely 12.
We have have a family friend who did this. Their daughter is a freshman there now. It was their goal since she was 2. Nearly every minute of the child’s life has been structured:
- piano
- athletic practices/games
- tj prep classes
- enrichment classes
- writing classes
- academic competitions

Etc. imagine that every since weekend and weeknight for a decade. One two week vacation each year and the rest was some commitment all the time.

Better her than the random slacker that will just luck in now.

1. If that slacker has an interest in STEM, then why not? I got straight C's in middle school but got into a magnet high school that focused on my interests and my GPA shot up. I was much more engaged and excited about school.

2. Slackers usually have more relaxed parents. Those parents aren't going to be filling out TJ applications in droves because they are more attuned to their kids interests\disinterests.

3. These are middle schoolers not mini robots. Slacking off, moodiness, grunting, complaining, stupid choices, bad grades, a little disrespect and more are negative though normal traits here. Chill out.