Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t even say what test they are using. Kindergarteners really only test on DIEBLS and iReady if your school uses it.

The trouble with standardized testing is you have to KNOW how to take the test. In K we practice HOW the test works beforehand. Due to this model that became impossible. There isn’t a very accurate way to measure young children through DL, in terms of standardized testing.

So take this with a grain of salt, they don’t have accurate data. Especially when parents try and give answers and little do some know we had to mark ANY answers they gave or signaled as INCORRECT. I saw a drop in my students score just because of this.

Can you not see how ridiculous an argument you’re making?

We already knew online school produced poor results, even on a college level. Only the most extreme wishful thinking could make you believe kindergarteners are learning well right now.

+1. If you can’t even test kids accurately via DL, why would you think DL is working? Seriously think about all the specific obstacles to administering a DIBELS test you just pointed out, then tell me with a straight face there are no similar obstacles basically invalidating all of your teaching. Saying that DL doesn’t work for the under 10 set isn’t an indictment of teachers. Teachers trying to claim it does work or it’s good enough very much is.

Nope, I use other measurements for my students along with DIBELS, I also did home visits with all my families to help them in person. I think standardized testing is hard to administer online but teaching children how to read isn't.

The thing is they have to have manipulatives and it can't just be all screen work. They don't tell you in undergrad or grad school that being a teacher also means you have to excel at grant writing. I received one for $2,000 so I am able to buy kids who can't any manipulatives they need.

The problem with DL for young children, is the amount of screen time, lack of parental training in some cases, and the greatest is lack of manipulatives. Also lack of understanding of technological innovations, if your teacher is 'old school.'

So no, my teaching isn't 'invalidated,' DL could be a lot better if teachers had money. But I don't think it's fair for teachers to spend $1,000 getting every student hands on activities and tools to use.

Also on the high school and college level online produces great results for people who can self-pace. There have been numerous studies pointing out advantages so I'll ignore that quip.

Also every test is administered on a screen unless you have an IEP accommodation, children should get used to this.

I do hear you but don't try and use my data points against me, my point is this article is a lie. (Ps. I am a teacher who volunteered to go back to the classroom but I feel this plan is absolute trash)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t even say what test they are using. Kindergarteners really only test on DIEBLS and iReady if your school uses it.

The trouble with standardized testing is you have to KNOW how to take the test. In K we practice HOW the test works beforehand. Due to this model that became impossible. There isn’t a very accurate way to measure young children through DL, in terms of standardized testing.

So take this with a grain of salt, they don’t have accurate data. Especially when parents try and give answers and little do some know we had to mark ANY answers they gave or signaled as INCORRECT. I saw a drop in my students score just because of this.

Can you not see how ridiculous an argument you’re making?

We already knew online school produced poor results, even on a college level. Only the most extreme wishful thinking could make you believe kindergarteners are learning well right now.

+1. If you can’t even test kids accurately via DL, why would you think DL is working? Seriously think about all the specific obstacles to administering a DIBELS test you just pointed out, then tell me with a straight face there are no similar obstacles basically invalidating all of your teaching. Saying that DL doesn’t work for the under 10 set isn’t an indictment of teachers. Teachers trying to claim it does work or it’s good enough very much is.

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t even say what test they are using. Kindergarteners really only test on DIEBLS and iReady if your school uses it.

The trouble with standardized testing is you have to KNOW how to take the test. In K we practice HOW the test works beforehand. Due to this model that became impossible. There isn’t a very accurate way to measure young children through DL, in terms of standardized testing.

So take this with a grain of salt, they don’t have accurate data. Especially when parents try and give answers and little do some know we had to mark ANY answers they gave or signaled as INCORRECT. I saw a drop in my students score just because of this.

Can you not see how ridiculous an argument you’re making?

We already knew online school produced poor results, even on a college level. Only the most extreme wishful thinking could make you believe kindergarteners are learning well right now.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is more to education than the classroom. Think of the trauma students have experienced this year: a global pandemic, murders of Black and Brown people across the country, environmental disasters for those with family in different states or countries, increased crime across the city, death of family members for some, etc. Distance learning is one more drop in the overflowing bucket our children are carrying. You all hate on the “lazy” teachers but their influence is minimal in circumstances like these.

Repeat after me: global pandemic

are you actually trying to minimize the school closures? wow. talk about giving up on kids.

The school closure is the most significant impact of the pandemic for most kids!

Disagree. If you’ve lost family members to gun violence or you’ve experienced the social injustices directly - not just talk about it on your ‘woke’ social media - you’d understand that death and loss affect kids more than going to school on a computer. Social workers, counselors, psychologists are all seeing kids virtually. I know because my kid is one receiving services. Sit down and don’t speak for me.

I mean, there is actual resesrch on online learning prior to this showing it doesn’t work well. So yes “going to school on a computer” is inferior for all kids, and will increase the gap even more.

Another surprising piece of information-water is wet.

It doesn’t even say what test they are using. Kindergarteners really only test on DIEBLS and iReady if your school uses it.

The trouble with standardized testing is you have to KNOW how to take the test. In K we practice HOW the test works beforehand. Due to this model that became impossible. There isn’t a very accurate way to measure young children through DL, in terms of standardized testing.

So take this with a grain of salt, they don’t have accurate data. Especially when parents try and give answers and little do some know we had to mark ANY answers they gave or signaled as INCORRECT. I saw a drop in my students score just because of this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is more to education than the classroom. Think of the trauma students have experienced this year: a global pandemic, murders of Black and Brown people across the country, environmental disasters for those with family in different states or countries, increased crime across the city, death of family members for some, etc. Distance learning is one more drop in the overflowing bucket our children are carrying. You all hate on the “lazy” teachers but their influence is minimal in circumstances like these.

Repeat after me: global pandemic

are you actually trying to minimize the school closures? wow. talk about giving up on kids.

The school closure is the most significant impact of the pandemic for most kids!

Disagree. If you’ve lost family members to gun violence or you’ve experienced the social injustices directly - not just talk about it on your ‘woke’ social media - you’d understand that death and loss affect kids more than going to school on a computer. Social workers, counselors, psychologists are all seeing kids virtually. I know because my kid is one receiving services. Sit down and don’t speak for me.

“of the pandemic for most kids”

We both - or however many people I’m talking to - agree that ALL kids should be in school. School is a sense of normalcy. It’s a safe space. For some, it is their only safe space. What I’m addressing is the topic of this post and the WP article about literacy data and the ‘achievement gap.’ It’s an opportunity gap. Kids that are the furthest from opportunities - in and out of school - will have that reflected in the data. School is important. Teachers are essential. But to act like the literacy data is the most important thing right now is not a belief I want to align myself.

Take care of you and yours. +10 for the conversation. I’m tapping out because I’m probably not in a place where I can listen and sorry for that.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is more to education than the classroom. Think of the trauma students have experienced this year: a global pandemic, murders of Black and Brown people across the country, environmental disasters for those with family in different states or countries, increased crime across the city, death of family members for some, etc. Distance learning is one more drop in the overflowing bucket our children are carrying. You all hate on the “lazy” teachers but their influence is minimal in circumstances like these.

Repeat after me: global pandemic

are you actually trying to minimize the school closures? wow. talk about giving up on kids.

The school closure is the most significant impact of the pandemic for most kids!

Disagree. If you’ve lost family members to gun violence or you’ve experienced the social injustices directly - not just talk about it on your ‘woke’ social media - you’d understand that death and loss affect kids more than going to school on a computer. Social workers, counselors, psychologists are all seeing kids virtually. I know because my kid is one receiving services. Sit down and don’t speak for me.

“of the pandemic for most kids”

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is more to education than the classroom. Think of the trauma students have experienced this year: a global pandemic, murders of Black and Brown people across the country, environmental disasters for those with family in different states or countries, increased crime across the city, death of family members for some, etc. Distance learning is one more drop in the overflowing bucket our children are carrying. You all hate on the “lazy” teachers but their influence is minimal in circumstances like these.

Repeat after me: global pandemic

are you actually trying to minimize the school closures? wow. talk about giving up on kids.

The school closure is the most significant impact of the pandemic for most kids!

Disagree. If you’ve lost family members to gun violence or you’ve experienced the social injustices directly - not just talk about it on your ‘woke’ social media - you’d understand that death and loss affect kids more than going to school on a computer. Social workers, counselors, psychologists are all seeing kids virtually. I know because my kid is one receiving services. Sit down and don’t speak for me.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is more to education than the classroom. Think of the trauma students have experienced this year: a global pandemic, murders of Black and Brown people across the country, environmental disasters for those with family in different states or countries, increased crime across the city, death of family members for some, etc. Distance learning is one more drop in the overflowing bucket our children are carrying. You all hate on the “lazy” teachers but their influence is minimal in circumstances like these.

Repeat after me: global pandemic

are you actually trying to minimize the school closures? wow. talk about giving up on kids.

No. I’m trying to explain the data presented in the article is not the direct cause of DL.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is more to education than the classroom. Think of the trauma students have experienced this year: a global pandemic, murders of Black and Brown people across the country, environmental disasters for those with family in different states or countries, increased crime across the city, death of family members for some, etc. Distance learning is one more drop in the overflowing bucket our children are carrying. You all hate on the “lazy” teachers but their influence is minimal in circumstances like these.

Repeat after me: global pandemic

are you actually trying to minimize the school closures? wow. talk about giving up on kids.

The school closure is the most significant impact of the pandemic for most kids!

+1000

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you really care about this or is this a socially acceptable way to get your kids back in school?

The fact remains that minorities have been disproportionately impacted By Covid. Even if schools opened up tomorrow, they wouldn’t send their kids! So stop it.

I am a minority and I'm sending my kid back.

Same.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is more to education than the classroom. Think of the trauma students have experienced this year: a global pandemic, murders of Black and Brown people across the country, environmental disasters for those with family in different states or countries, increased crime across the city, death of family members for some, etc. Distance learning is one more drop in the overflowing bucket our children are carrying. You all hate on the “lazy” teachers but their influence is minimal in circumstances like these.

Repeat after me: global pandemic

are you actually trying to minimize the school closures? wow. talk about giving up on kids.

The school closure is the most significant impact of the pandemic for most kids!

Anonymous wrote:There is more to education than the classroom. Think of the trauma students have experienced this year: a global pandemic, murders of Black and Brown people across the country, environmental disasters for those with family in different states or countries, increased crime across the city, death of family members for some, etc. Distance learning is one more drop in the overflowing bucket our children are carrying. You all hate on the “lazy” teachers but their influence is minimal in circumstances like these.

Repeat after me: global pandemic

are you actually trying to minimize the school closures? wow. talk about giving up on kids.

Anonymous wrote:There is more to education than the classroom. Think of the trauma students have experienced this year: a global pandemic, murders of Black and Brown people across the country, environmental disasters for those with family in different states or countries, increased crime across the city, death of family members for some, etc. Distance learning is one more drop in the overflowing bucket our children are carrying. You all hate on the “lazy” teachers but their influence is minimal in circumstances like these.

Repeat after me: global pandemic

Cool. You know what a lot of traumatized kids access through school? A stable environment. A sense of normalcy. For some, their main access to therapy and counseling.