Anonymous
11/16/2020 21:56
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
Not gonna lie I stopped at “rumor is”
Arlington's U13 team is currently in the 10th place in ECNL. It is certainly not the cream de la creme relative to its ECNL competition.
Yes, but
(1) That is probably Arlington's weakest team.
(2) U13 seems to be a group where the VA teams are actually quite strong.
(3) ECNL would presumably make the decision based on all of Arlington's teams - not just the weakest one. So, ignoring U19 as it wll have aged out, Arlington is currently 1st, 3rd, 3rd, and 6th at the other age groups.
(4) Even that is to some degree irrelevant, as presumably it is the performance of the second teams which would matter for this decision. So in CCL, you have the following standings for U12 through U17: 3rd, 10th, 10th, 11th, 8th, 14th.
If ECNL is a stronger league then (4) would suggest that Arlington won't (or at least shouldn't) get its second teams accepted into ECNL. I'm not sure that this is the case though - anybody have a good feel for the relative strength of the mid-Atlantic ECNL teams vs CCL?
I think the Red Team point is a good one (you have to be careful about standings because there are variances in how many matches certain clubs have played). Putting that aside, I don't think there is any question that Arlington Red teams in CCL would be competitive vs BRYC or McLean U13-16, and perhaps even some Loudoun teams. I think you also need to consider that they will also divert kids who might go to BRYC or Arlington by having more roster space available for kids who might have been forced to go elsewhere.
I am sure that ECNL is happy to have Arlington's top teams, but I don't think that Red teams will be competitive against ECNL teams. Arlington U14 Red lost to Alexandria 1-4. Arlington U15 Red lost to Alexandria 0-5. Why would ECNL want Arlington's B teams, which are not particularly competitive against good non-ECNL clubs, like Alexandria?
The Alexandria U14 team that you are referencing plays MLS league, they wouldn't go to ECNL. The U15 won state cup 2 years ago and probably would have won last year but competition was cancelled due to covid. I wouldn't be surprised if Alexandria also received MLS for this team next year at U16.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 21:40
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
Not gonna lie I stopped at “rumor is”
Arlington's U13 team is currently in the 10th place in ECNL. It is certainly not the cream de la creme relative to its ECNL competition.
Yes, but
(1) That is probably Arlington's weakest team.
(2) U13 seems to be a group where the VA teams are actually quite strong.
(3) ECNL would presumably make the decision based on all of Arlington's teams - not just the weakest one. So, ignoring U19 as it wll have aged out, Arlington is currently 1st, 3rd, 3rd, and 6th at the other age groups.
(4) Even that is to some degree irrelevant, as presumably it is the performance of the second teams which would matter for this decision. So in CCL, you have the following standings for U12 through U17: 3rd, 10th, 10th, 11th, 8th, 14th.
If ECNL is a stronger league then (4) would suggest that Arlington won't (or at least shouldn't) get its second teams accepted into ECNL. I'm not sure that this is the case though - anybody have a good feel for the relative strength of the mid-Atlantic ECNL teams vs CCL?
I think the Red Team point is a good one (you have to be careful about standings because there are variances in how many matches certain clubs have played). Putting that aside, I don't think there is any question that Arlington Red teams in CCL would be competitive vs BRYC or McLean U13-16, and perhaps even some Loudoun teams. I think you also need to consider that they will also divert kids who might go to BRYC or Arlington by having more roster space available for kids who might have been forced to go elsewhere.
I am sure that ECNL is happy to have Arlington's top teams, but I don't think that Red teams will be competitive against ECNL teams. Arlington U14 Red lost to Alexandria 1-4. Arlington U15 Red lost to Alexandria 0-5. Why would ECNL want Arlington's B teams, which are not particularly competitive against good non-ECNL clubs, like Alexandria?
Think Alexandria is a bad benchmark for your purpose because I suspect they are stronger than a number of ECNL clubs.
If true, wouldn't it make Alexandria more appealing to ECNL than Arlington's B teams? The whole idea that ECNL will want B teams from Arlington is quite ridiculous.
Yes I would think ECNL would certainly be interested in Alexandria, but I assume - given that Alexandria has joined MLS Next - that it is not interested in ECNL.
Given the number of B teams already in ECNL - per RantingSoccerDad's list - I don't think it is reasonable to suggest that the idea is "ridiculous". I suspect that Arlington's B teams are as good as Charlotte Soccer Academy's B teams for example, and certainly better than BRYC, and perhaps most of McLean's, first teams. Still they would almost certainly be amongst the weaker teams in the league all the same. And I also doubt that ECNL mid-Atlantic feels it needs more teams at this point given the influx from DA this year.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 20:54
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
Not gonna lie I stopped at “rumor is”
Arlington's U13 team is currently in the 10th place in ECNL. It is certainly not the cream de la creme relative to its ECNL competition.
Yes, but
(1) That is probably Arlington's weakest team.
(2) U13 seems to be a group where the VA teams are actually quite strong.
(3) ECNL would presumably make the decision based on all of Arlington's teams - not just the weakest one. So, ignoring U19 as it wll have aged out, Arlington is currently 1st, 3rd, 3rd, and 6th at the other age groups.
(4) Even that is to some degree irrelevant, as presumably it is the performance of the second teams which would matter for this decision. So in CCL, you have the following standings for U12 through U17: 3rd, 10th, 10th, 11th, 8th, 14th.
If ECNL is a stronger league then (4) would suggest that Arlington won't (or at least shouldn't) get its second teams accepted into ECNL. I'm not sure that this is the case though - anybody have a good feel for the relative strength of the mid-Atlantic ECNL teams vs CCL?
I think the Red Team point is a good one (you have to be careful about standings because there are variances in how many matches certain clubs have played). Putting that aside, I don't think there is any question that Arlington Red teams in CCL would be competitive vs BRYC or McLean U13-16, and perhaps even some Loudoun teams. I think you also need to consider that they will also divert kids who might go to BRYC or Arlington by having more roster space available for kids who might have been forced to go elsewhere.
I am sure that ECNL is happy to have Arlington's top teams, but I don't think that Red teams will be competitive against ECNL teams. Arlington U14 Red lost to Alexandria 1-4. Arlington U15 Red lost to Alexandria 0-5. Why would ECNL want Arlington's B teams, which are not particularly competitive against good non-ECNL clubs, like Alexandria?
Think Alexandria is a bad benchmark for your purpose because I suspect they are stronger than a number of ECNL clubs.
If true, wouldn't it make Alexandria more appealing to ECNL than Arlington's B teams? The whole idea that ECNL will want B teams from Arlington is quite ridiculous.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 20:16
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
Not gonna lie I stopped at “rumor is”
Arlington's U13 team is currently in the 10th place in ECNL. It is certainly not the cream de la creme relative to its ECNL competition.
Yes, but
(1) That is probably Arlington's weakest team.
(2) U13 seems to be a group where the VA teams are actually quite strong.
(3) ECNL would presumably make the decision based on all of Arlington's teams - not just the weakest one. So, ignoring U19 as it wll have aged out, Arlington is currently 1st, 3rd, 3rd, and 6th at the other age groups.
(4) Even that is to some degree irrelevant, as presumably it is the performance of the second teams which would matter for this decision. So in CCL, you have the following standings for U12 through U17: 3rd, 10th, 10th, 11th, 8th, 14th.
If ECNL is a stronger league then (4) would suggest that Arlington won't (or at least shouldn't) get its second teams accepted into ECNL. I'm not sure that this is the case though - anybody have a good feel for the relative strength of the mid-Atlantic ECNL teams vs CCL?
I think the Red Team point is a good one (you have to be careful about standings because there are variances in how many matches certain clubs have played). Putting that aside, I don't think there is any question that Arlington Red teams in CCL would be competitive vs BRYC or McLean U13-16, and perhaps even some Loudoun teams. I think you also need to consider that they will also divert kids who might go to BRYC or Arlington by having more roster space available for kids who might have been forced to go elsewhere.
I am sure that ECNL is happy to have Arlington's top teams, but I don't think that Red teams will be competitive against ECNL teams. Arlington U14 Red lost to Alexandria 1-4. Arlington U15 Red lost to Alexandria 0-5. Why would ECNL want Arlington's B teams, which are not particularly competitive against good non-ECNL clubs, like Alexandria?
Think Alexandria is a bad benchmark for your purpose because I suspect they are stronger than a number of ECNL clubs.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 20:10
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
Not gonna lie I stopped at “rumor is”
Arlington's U13 team is currently in the 10th place in ECNL. It is certainly not the cream de la creme relative to its ECNL competition.
Yes, but
(1) That is probably Arlington's weakest team.
(2) U13 seems to be a group where the VA teams are actually quite strong.
(3) ECNL would presumably make the decision based on all of Arlington's teams - not just the weakest one. So, ignoring U19 as it wll have aged out, Arlington is currently 1st, 3rd, 3rd, and 6th at the other age groups.
(4) Even that is to some degree irrelevant, as presumably it is the performance of the second teams which would matter for this decision. So in CCL, you have the following standings for U12 through U17: 3rd, 10th, 10th, 11th, 8th, 14th.
If ECNL is a stronger league then (4) would suggest that Arlington won't (or at least shouldn't) get its second teams accepted into ECNL. I'm not sure that this is the case though - anybody have a good feel for the relative strength of the mid-Atlantic ECNL teams vs CCL?
I think the Red Team point is a good one (you have to be careful about standings because there are variances in how many matches certain clubs have played). Putting that aside, I don't think there is any question that Arlington Red teams in CCL would be competitive vs BRYC or McLean U13-16, and perhaps even some Loudoun teams. I think you also need to consider that they will also divert kids who might go to BRYC or Arlington by having more roster space available for kids who might have been forced to go elsewhere.
I am sure that ECNL is happy to have Arlington's top teams, but I don't think that Red teams will be competitive against ECNL teams. Arlington U14 Red lost to Alexandria 1-4. Arlington U15 Red lost to Alexandria 0-5. Why would ECNL want Arlington's B teams, which are not particularly competitive against good non-ECNL clubs, like Alexandria?
Anonymous
11/16/2020 15:29
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
Not gonna lie I stopped at “rumor is”
Arlington's U13 team is currently in the 10th place in ECNL. It is certainly not the cream de la creme relative to its ECNL competition.
Yes, but
(1) That is probably Arlington's weakest team.
(2) U13 seems to be a group where the VA teams are actually quite strong.
(3) ECNL would presumably make the decision based on all of Arlington's teams - not just the weakest one. So, ignoring U19 as it wll have aged out, Arlington is currently 1st, 3rd, 3rd, and 6th at the other age groups.
(4) Even that is to some degree irrelevant, as presumably it is the performance of the second teams which would matter for this decision. So in CCL, you have the following standings for U12 through U17: 3rd, 10th, 10th, 11th, 8th, 14th.
If ECNL is a stronger league then (4) would suggest that Arlington won't (or at least shouldn't) get its second teams accepted into ECNL. I'm not sure that this is the case though - anybody have a good feel for the relative strength of the mid-Atlantic ECNL teams vs CCL?
I think the Red Team point is a good one (you have to be careful about standings because there are variances in how many matches certain clubs have played). Putting that aside, I don't think there is any question that Arlington Red teams in CCL would be competitive vs BRYC or McLean U13-16, and perhaps even some Loudoun teams. I think you also need to consider that they will also divert kids who might go to BRYC or Arlington by having more roster space available for kids who might have been forced to go elsewhere.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 15:07
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
Not gonna lie I stopped at “rumor is”
Arlington's U13 team is currently in the 10th place in ECNL. It is certainly not the cream de la creme relative to its ECNL competition.
Yes, but
(1) That is probably Arlington's weakest team.
(2) U13 seems to be a group where the VA teams are actually quite strong.
(3) ECNL would presumably make the decision based on all of Arlington's teams - not just the weakest one. So, ignoring U19 as it wll have aged out, Arlington is currently 1st, 3rd, 3rd, and 6th at the other age groups.
(4) Even that is to some degree irrelevant, as presumably it is the performance of the second teams which would matter for this decision. So in CCL, you have the following standings for U12 through U17: 3rd, 10th, 10th, 11th, 8th, 14th.
If ECNL is a stronger league then (4) would suggest that Arlington won't (or at least shouldn't) get its second teams accepted into ECNL. I'm not sure that this is the case though - anybody have a good feel for the relative strength of the mid-Atlantic ECNL teams vs CCL?
Anonymous
11/16/2020 14:53
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
SYC U13 Girls played a friendly vs Bethesda ECNL over the weekend. Bethesda ECNL is one of the teams at the bottom of U13.
Bethesda ECNL won 4-0. SYC did manage a couple shots on goal.
SYC U13 Orange played Bethesda ECNL U12. U12s beat the U13s 5-1.
Bethesda ECNL won 4-0. SYC did manage a couple shots on goal.
SYC U13 Orange played Bethesda ECNL U12. U12s beat the U13s 5-1.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 14:29
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
Not gonna lie I stopped at “rumor is”
Arlington's U13 team is currently in the 10th place in ECNL. It is certainly not the cream de la creme relative to its ECNL competition.
Doesn’t surprise me.
They're kids and it is very early. They will improve. We all thought the Loudoun U13s would be world-beaters, but as we all know, things change and it takes a while for cream to rise. Let's see where everybody is at the end of the year. Our kid is at a rival club.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 14:18
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
Not gonna lie I stopped at “rumor is”
Arlington's U13 team is currently in the 10th place in ECNL. It is certainly not the cream de la creme relative to its ECNL competition.
Doesn’t surprise me.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 14:13
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
RantingSoccerDad wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
The ECNL would not like that at all.
It's pretty standard actually. Many ex-DA, now MLS next clubs have their second teams in ECNL. And some of the ex-DA clubs which moved to ECNL now have both first and second teams in ECNL. Whether Arlington's red teams would be competitive is a different question - but it's certainly not uncommon.
These are the clubs I've found that are in both MLS Next and the boys ECNL:
Phoenix Rising FC
RSL / Utah Royals FC - Arizona
Colorado Rapids
Real Colorado
Orlando City
Tampa Bay United Rowdies
NEFC
Scorpions Soccer / Boston Bolts
Michigan Wolves Hawks
Vardar SC
PDA (Players Dev. Acad)
FC Delco
FC Dallas
Solar SC
Houston Dash / Houston Dynamo
Rise SC (fka Eclipse SC)
There are more than that. I can see Atlanta missing from the list for a start.
Also - just in the mid Atlantic division - Charlotte SA and NCFC play both first and second teams in ECNL (used to play just second team, but moved first team as well when DA collapsed)
Anonymous
11/16/2020 14:12
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
Not gonna lie I stopped at “rumor is”
Arlington's U13 team is currently in the 10th place in ECNL. It is certainly not the cream de la creme relative to its ECNL competition.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 07:13
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
The ECNL would not like that at all.
It's pretty standard actually. Many ex-DA, now MLS next clubs have their second teams in ECNL. And some of the ex-DA clubs which moved to ECNL now have both first and second teams in ECNL. Whether Arlington's red teams would be competitive is a different question - but it's certainly not uncommon.
They would be competitive, especially at younger ages (U13-14). May be more challenging as the player pool funnels and other clubs in ECNL import more talent from outside their internal pipelines.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 01:30
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
The ECNL would not like that at all.
It's pretty standard actually. Many ex-DA, now MLS next clubs have their second teams in ECNL. And some of the ex-DA clubs which moved to ECNL now have both first and second teams in ECNL. Whether Arlington's red teams would be competitive is a different question - but it's certainly not uncommon.
Anonymous
11/16/2020 00:32
Subject: What does everyone think about SYC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be imprecise - I did not mean to imply Arlington overcharges at all, just that they would be a stock with little upside since they are at the top right now - that's all. On ECNL, no doubt they are better than CCL, but the local teams playing in ECNL (other than VDA and Arlington) are not better than other top teams in this area in the U13-15 range, including SYC. Hope to see Arlington and VDA in MLS Next. Probably not both but at least one of them.
Rumor is that Arlington will put their Academy Teams into MLS Next and their Red Teams to take their ECNL slots next year.
The ECNL would not like that at all.