Anonymous
Post 10/21/2020 15:51     Subject: Re:CDC reports super spreader event at hockey game
CDC just came out with new guidelines that close contact with a positive person should be considered 15 min or more within 6 ft accumulative over 24 hours. This will obviously affect schools and offices etc.
But wondering btw this and last week's CDC report if USA Hockey is going to have to consider changes.

The position has been players don't spend enough time that close because game is so fast but my kid plays 3-4 games within 24 hours on a regular basis. Btw ice time, warmups, and sitting on bench that's going to be way more than 15 min in close contact with team.
Add that to indoors and maskless with coaches yelling over players heads on bench (I don't know about you but our coaches tend to spend game with mask around neck) and all the new reports about arosoles and hockey just seems more and more inappropriate this year

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/10/21/coronavirus-close-contact-cdc/
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 16:48     Subject: Re:CDC reports super spreader event at hockey game
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, let's get back to that soooper scary soooper spreader event happening in New Hampshire. The governor shuts down an activity all over the state for 158 presumptive cases over 60 days across 23 organizations. So. about 2.5 cases a day for 23 orgs over 60 days. This is also for presumptive positives which haven't been confirmed and where most have likely turned into false-positives.

New Hampshire tests at about 7000 a day. Just like in the Maine hockey case, which has since gone silent, is that .8-4% of those tests will turn out a false positive. 70 - 280 of those tests are turning out presumptive positives which will most likely turn out false positives. Even with that, New Hampshire hasn't turned into cv19 central.

Here is what the New Hampshire health department reports and these are the same numbers used by any cv19 reporting site in the world
New Cases
10/18 - 57
10/17 - 70
10/16 - 109
10/15 - 88
10/14 - 80
10/13 (date of story and where the sooper spreading should be noticeable) - 69

Whoops, all of these tests fall into the range of faulty test results. Even those that snuck through could be a confirmed person testing again until they go negative or they could be unrelated like a teacher at a college. The sooper scary hockey OUTBREAK is a bust.



You seem to keep claiming over and over with no evidence that all positive tests are false positives or people retesting. It’s weird and utterly unconvincing.


That's not what I'm saying and you can't read. There are now a number of studies showing the false presumptive and then the false positive test percentage of all tests is in the .8% - 4% range. We also know many states don't distinguish in their test reporting between anti-body (past infection now turned antibody); new and unique cases; and repeat testing on those cases already deemed positive. The Lancet and CDC both have information and studies related to this.

In states like Maine and New Hampshire where the reported cases fall below these ranges and coupled with flat hospitalization rates, it is presumed there isn't or hasn't been an outbreak or a health emergency urgent enough to shut the system.

DC's metrics show they have been out of any sort of pandemic for a long time.
Maryland shows they have been out of any sort of lockdown situation for 2 month and their health care capacity is near 90% available.
Virginia is currently the worst in the DMV area. They have plenty of capacity but still have a small number of true new infections. They are rising to the mean nationally while MD has fallen.
But Maine and New Hampshire, where there is virtually no cases and plenty of hospital capacity, makes for good news on DCUM but simply doesn't hold water.


Well, when you say things like

Whoops, all of these tests fall into the range of faulty test results. Even those that snuck through could be a confirmed person testing again until they go negative or they could be unrelated like a teacher at a college.


it seems like word salad wishful thinking. Maybe I can't read (despite having multiple degrees in science ), but maybe you should consider that what you are writing is very unclear and makes you sound like a crank.

We also know many states don't distinguish in their test reporting between anti-body (past infection now turned antibody); new and unique cases; and repeat testing on those cases already deemed positive.


Please provide a specific citation indicating that all or the overwhelming majority of cases are somehow duplicates or antibody tests.

DC's metrics show they have been out of any sort of pandemic for a long time.

You don't seem to know what the words you are using actually mean. With respect to Covid19, the CDC has this to say about the term "pandemic" -- "Because the disease then spread across several countries and affected a large number of people, it was classified as a pandemic." It's meaningless to talk about DC pandemics, VA pandemics or MD pandemics.


But Maine and New Hampshire, where there is virtually no cases and plenty of hospital capacity, makes for good news on DCUM but simply doesn't hold water.


Actually, back on planet earth, here's what the real, actual news reports have to say: "The number of active COVID-19 cases in New Hampshire has more than doubled over the past two weeks, from 500 to over 1,000 infections, a number almost five times higher than the number of cases in the beginning of September."
https://www.nhpr.org/post/nh-sees-continued-rise-covid-19-cases-experts-say-prepare-more#stream/0

Again, you seem to be a crank.



Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 12:51     Subject: Re:CDC reports super spreader event at hockey game
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Well, let's get back to that soooper scary soooper spreader event happening in New Hampshire. The governor shuts down an activity all over the state for 158 presumptive cases over 60 days across 23 organizations. So. about 2.5 cases a day for 23 orgs over 60 days. This is also for presumptive positives which haven't been confirmed and where most have likely turned into false-positives.

New Hampshire tests at about 7000 a day. Just like in the Maine hockey case, which has since gone silent, is that .8-4% of those tests will turn out a false positive. 70 - 280 of those tests are turning out presumptive positives which will most likely turn out false positives. Even with that, New Hampshire hasn't turned into cv19 central.

Here is what the New Hampshire health department reports and these are the same numbers used by any cv19 reporting site in the world
New Cases
10/18 - 57
10/17 - 70
10/16 - 109
10/15 - 88
10/14 - 80
10/13 (date of story and where the sooper spreading should be noticeable) - 69

Whoops, all of these tests fall into the range of faulty test results. Even those that snuck through could be a confirmed person testing again until they go negative or they could be unrelated like a teacher at a college. The sooper scary hockey OUTBREAK is a bust.



You seem to keep claiming over and over with no evidence that all positive tests are false positives or people retesting. It’s weird and utterly unconvincing.


That's not what I'm saying and you can't read. There are now a number of studies showing the false presumptive and then the false positive test percentage of all tests is in the .8% - 4% range. We also know many states don't distinguish in their test reporting between anti-body (past infection now turned antibody); new and unique cases; and repeat testing on those cases already deemed positive. The Lancet and CDC both have information and studies related to this.

In states like Maine and New Hampshire where the reported cases fall below these ranges and coupled with flat hospitalization rates, it is presumed there isn't or hasn't been an outbreak or a health emergency urgent enough to shut the system.

DC's metrics show they have been out of any sort of pandemic for a long time.
Maryland shows they have been out of any sort of lockdown situation for 2 month and their health care capacity is near 90% available.
Virginia is currently the worst in the DMV area. They have plenty of capacity but still have a small number of true new infections. They are rising to the mean nationally while MD has fallen.
But Maine and New Hampshire, where there is virtually no cases and plenty of hospital capacity, makes for good news on DCUM but simply doesn't hold water.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 09:43     Subject: Re:CDC reports super spreader event at hockey game
Anonymous wrote:Well, let's get back to that soooper scary soooper spreader event happening in New Hampshire. The governor shuts down an activity all over the state for 158 presumptive cases over 60 days across 23 organizations. So. about 2.5 cases a day for 23 orgs over 60 days. This is also for presumptive positives which haven't been confirmed and where most have likely turned into false-positives.

New Hampshire tests at about 7000 a day. Just like in the Maine hockey case, which has since gone silent, is that .8-4% of those tests will turn out a false positive. 70 - 280 of those tests are turning out presumptive positives which will most likely turn out false positives. Even with that, New Hampshire hasn't turned into cv19 central.

Here is what the New Hampshire health department reports and these are the same numbers used by any cv19 reporting site in the world
New Cases
10/18 - 57
10/17 - 70
10/16 - 109
10/15 - 88
10/14 - 80
10/13 (date of story and where the sooper spreading should be noticeable) - 69

Whoops, all of these tests fall into the range of faulty test results. Even those that snuck through could be a confirmed person testing again until they go negative or they could be unrelated like a teacher at a college. The sooper scary hockey OUTBREAK is a bust.



You seem to keep claiming over and over with no evidence that all positive tests are false positives or people retesting. It’s weird and utterly unconvincing.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2020 17:55     Subject: Re:CDC reports super spreader event at hockey game
Well, let's get back to that soooper scary soooper spreader event happening in New Hampshire. The governor shuts down an activity all over the state for 158 presumptive cases over 60 days across 23 organizations. So. about 2.5 cases a day for 23 orgs over 60 days. This is also for presumptive positives which haven't been confirmed and where most have likely turned into false-positives.

New Hampshire tests at about 7000 a day. Just like in the Maine hockey case, which has since gone silent, is that .8-4% of those tests will turn out a false positive. 70 - 280 of those tests are turning out presumptive positives which will most likely turn out false positives. Even with that, New Hampshire hasn't turned into cv19 central.

Here is what the New Hampshire health department reports and these are the same numbers used by any cv19 reporting site in the world
New Cases
10/18 - 57
10/17 - 70
10/16 - 109
10/15 - 88
10/14 - 80
10/13 (date of story and where the sooper spreading should be noticeable) - 69

Whoops, all of these tests fall into the range of faulty test results. Even those that snuck through could be a confirmed person testing again until they go negative or they could be unrelated like a teacher at a college. The sooper scary hockey OUTBREAK is a bust.

Anonymous
Post 10/19/2020 17:02     Subject: Re:CDC reports super spreader event at hockey game
Anonymous wrote:There's at least one MYHA team that cancelled practices recently not sure if they did 14 days... We were informed by our coach as a sibling from our team was on that team. We were not told to do anything different. Just get tested if you want.
TM I know of cases through rumor mill only. No official communications on what happens if there's a positive case.
Im surprised rinks aren't closing for cleaning after reports and I'm wondering if the county is being informed...


I feel like myha doesn’t care that much about actually implementing covid precautions. I see at my daughter’s practices coaches without masks on. I predict some outbreaks coming their way, especially since they no longer require masks for kids and their is zero social distancing going on when waiting in line.
Anonymous
Post 10/19/2020 14:59     Subject: Re:CDC reports super spreader event at hockey game
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is straight up fear mongering. No wonder why people dont want to do anything. 99.99% of the time your statement is simply not true and since covid has been around only a few months how do you know it's "life long" issues?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn't read where anybody was hospitalized or ill beyond mild symptoms.


Mild symptoms can lead to life long issues.


Sorry - I'm trying to understand if this post is politically motivated or if you really are this unaware of disease physiology and medical science. You do understand that while Covid19 is new, understanding many kinds of long term organ damage is not, right? When you have scar tissue in your lungs, it doesn't matter that much in a big picture way whether that's from LUPUS or Covid19. Pulmonologists already know how it will impact the rest of your life. Similarly with kidney damage, etc. In cases where there is uncertainty, what I keep hearing about is shockingly worse than expected outcomes, not things like scar tissue miraculously healing. You get all that, right?

Except, you know, science. Most with mild symptoms do not have scar tissue in their lungs.


Since you are a fan of, you know, science, you really ought to read this article in the magazine Science (the publication of the American Association of Science, the umbrella organization of working researchers across all disciplines). It points out specifically that those with mild cases of Covid ARE at risk of scaring in their lungs and hypertension. People with moderate to severe cases are at risk of these things as well as brain damage, nerve damage, heart arrhythmia and other effects.

Note that lung scarring from Covid19 is less serious that other SARS viruses, which is terrific news, but Covid 19 has many effects on other body systems that other viruses don't. The article describes medical researchers as "alarmed" at the ability of the virus that causes COVID-19 to "disrupt a breathtaking array of tissues in the body. Like a key fitting neatly into a lock, SARS-CoV-2 uses a spike protein on its surface to latch onto cells’ ACE2 receptors. The lungs, heart, gut, kidneys, blood vessels, and nervous system, among other tissues, carry ACE2 on their cells’ surfaces—and thus, are vulnerable to COVID-19. The virus can also induce a dramatic inflammatory reaction, including in the brain."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

Anonymous
Post 10/19/2020 08:29     Subject: Re:CDC reports super spreader event at hockey game
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is straight up fear mongering. No wonder why people dont want to do anything. 99.99% of the time your statement is simply not true and since covid has been around only a few months how do you know it's "life long" issues?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I didn't read where anybody was hospitalized or ill beyond mild symptoms.


Mild symptoms can lead to life long issues.


Sorry - I'm trying to understand if this post is politically motivated or if you really are this unaware of disease physiology and medical science. You do understand that while Covid19 is new, understanding many kinds of long term organ damage is not, right? When you have scar tissue in your lungs, it doesn't matter that much in a big picture way whether that's from LUPUS or Covid19. Pulmonologists already know how it will impact the rest of your life. Similarly with kidney damage, etc. In cases where there is uncertainty, what I keep hearing about is shockingly worse than expected outcomes, not things like scar tissue miraculously healing. You get all that, right?


I can't figure out what you're trying to say here. Are you saying that whenever we didn't know what was going to happen, it's worse than we thought it would be? How can it be worse, if we didn't know? This repeated refrain of "life long issues" is one of the liberal left talking points to keep everybody living in fear.

Please stop making these accusations about liberal left. I am liberal left. And I don’t support this. However, one of my Republican friends does. It’s all driven by personal risk tolerance and personal situation.