Anonymous wrote:OP here. So far, very few people have even read and understood my post to understand my concern.

Only a few people understood my concern was NOT for MY contact with the vet, or the dog carrying covid on its body externally to then bring it home, like on a package.

I was concerned specifically about human to animal transmission which HAS been documented, and animal to human transmission, which so far has not been, but is suspected in one case of minks on the minkfarm.

Almost no one so far has actually responded to the missing information (quantitative) and mostly responded to their personal interpretation of my risk concern (qualitative and subjective).

The fact is there are many unknowns.

I am NOT WORRIED about getting covid from a person at the vets office.

But, responders stopped reading a long time ago.

PP with the high risk child- thank you for understanding.

Poster who says they know a lot of people who die, if you are a healthcare worked like you say, then thank you for your service to others. But until you have lost one of your own, and I have many times to different things, you dont get to tell other people that their priorities are off.

Then put the dog down. Problem solved

Anonymous wrote:If its necessary, bring the dog in, wait in the car, wear gloves and mask and wash down dog when you get home.

What are the gloves for? Wash your damn hands and be done with it

Anonymous wrote:We have been in total isolation since late February early March. All groceries delivered, etc. Work from home, homeschooling, etc.

My dog needs to go in for what will probably be a dental abcess. Im not as concerned about the exam as the surgical procedure which will likely be necessary. (Thats a guess).

But still, here we were hoping for no emergencies, and, well, here we are with a dog dental emergency.

My concerns: Vet says they wear masks all the time. I believe him. He is a new vet to me (after a move from moco to frederick county) and has been wonderful. But this is just a bummer, after being so very careful and being able to avoid everything, now this.

So far what I have turned up on the CDC website (make of THAT what you will THESE days) is that risk of transmission from pet to human is probably low.

The animals who HAVE gotten it had covid positive owners.

So, my rational side tells me that for us to get sick from my dog, first someone in there would have to be covid positive, and in the 30 minutes that she will be in there with them for the exam that she gets exposed to enough virus to get sick, and that THEN somehow she gives it to us.

That's a lot of hypotheticals. Likelihood seems not great. But (sigh) Im just not happy.

Talk me down.

Oh good GOD. Get some Ativan on board. You need it

OP, sounds like you have the perfect vet for you and that's great.

But I have to fill out a form asking if I have had a fever or any other symptoms in the past 14 days, or whether I have traveled for the past 14 days, or whether I've been in contact with anyone known to have or suspected to have COVID or COVID like symptoms before I drop my dog off at a vet's office where I can't even walk in. If the vet is also checking staff (temperatures?) then there are so many precautions in place, the risk of transmission from your DOG to you is unbelievably minimal. You are more likely to get hit by a car on the trip to the vet.

Anonymous wrote:There is not a single case of pet to human transmission. Not one confirmed case.
- vet

OP here, THis is my final post on this topic.

First: Vet, There are confirmed cases of animal to human transmission, minks to human. And you know as well as I do that at one time there was no confirmed case, not one, of human to animal transmission, and now there is. As a doctor, you know absence of evidence is not equal to evidence of absence, but it can be a good guess, considering other variables.

Here is the piece of info I need to confirm my concern. I just got off the phone with a vet in my old neighborhood. This person is a respected vet with a high traffic practice.

They have put a stringent policy in place in addition to no contact and curbside dropff for the humans, which is to to 1) separate animals from each other by two kennels worth if they are being held preoperatively 2) operating from prep to surgery ONE animal at a time, as opposed to standard practice of having techs prep animals in one area, and then move to surgery to prep another animal et 3) of course sterilizing between all visits

and WHY? "we are very concerned about animals giving it to each other and us catching it from the animals. Dr, B is not satisfied with the state guidelines. We get complaints from people who dont appreciate the way we are doing things, and a select few who appreciate all the cautions we are taking".

So, vet, another vet seems to think its possible. Make of that what you will. Im taking my dog to a vet that takes serious things seriously and not sit around waiting for empirical evidence.

Lets take a nostalgic look back at what not having empirical evidence in hand has allowed to take place.

People without symptoms were never ever tested. We now know that screwed us all over ROYALLY.

We continue to not apply common sense cautions where evidence is lacking AND we continue to not apply caution where evidence is abundant.

So by all means, we *can* wait till we have proof of dog to dog transmission of covid and ignore the fact that we already have proven cat to cat transmission and ferret to ferret transmission and not simply draw some basic hypothetical possibilties. I mean, or, we can just assume this transmission is possible, and treat animals with the same caution we do people.

And of course we can simply wait until the first pet to human case is documented and ignore the fact that minks can infect humans, that minks can be pets, that ferrets are like minks, and ferrets ARE pets, OR, we can assume its possible that dogs can give it to people just like we assume people can give it to people, including asymptomatically.

Our nations state with covid is due in part to people posturing over others that they know more about what is and isn't a problem, and we are showing NO signs of improving our situation. The animal models are behind, but what is there is concerning enough for some vets to take some extra precautions to save lives, animal and human.

There is not a single case of pet to human transmission. Not one confirmed case.
- vet

My aunt thinks she got covid while taking her cat to the vet. She got stuck in a tiny exam room with several people who weren't wearing masks for over 10 minutes (they needed multiple techs to subdue the cat, apparently). It seems like many places will just get your animal from the car while you remain outside, maybe call around for a vet with a low-contact protocol.

In August, I had to put my 17 year old dog to sleep in the front seat of my minivan in the vet parking lot.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So far, very few people have even read and understood my post to understand my concern.

Only a few people understood my concern was NOT for MY contact with the vet, or the dog carrying covid on its body externally to then bring it home, like on a package.

I was concerned specifically about human to animal transmission which HAS been documented, and animal to human transmission, which so far has not been, but is suspected in one case of minks on the minkfarm.

Almost no one so far has actually responded to the missing information (quantitative) and mostly responded to their personal interpretation of my risk concern (qualitative and subjective).

The fact is there are many unknowns.

I am NOT WORRIED about getting covid from a person at the vets office.

But, responders stopped reading a long time ago.

PP with the high risk child- thank you for understanding.

Poster who says they know a lot of people who die, if you are a healthcare worked like you say, then thank you for your service to others. But until you have lost one of your own, and I have many times to different things, you dont get to tell other people that their priorities are off.

PP here on Covid unit. I have lost much of my own family to various diseases, except for an aunt in another state, and distant relatives in other countries. I also never said anything about your priorities; in fact, I said you were making the right decision by taking the dog in.
You seem very defensive. People are trying to help you.

OP here. Im sorry for all your losses. I was trying to get actual usable information, not opinions on whether or not my have a concern is an "anxiety issue". Your post was confusing because you didnt provide the context at the start for your comment. "Life has to go on" is a statement used routinely by covid deniers, and I would think you would be sensitive to that reality and those words, since you live that reality every day.

You might have said "As a healthcare professional working in a covid ward, I would recommend a 14 day quarantine for your high risk family member in any situation where you have reason to believe a person has been exposed to a covid positive person. Not being sure you were or not, thats your best option".

I don't know any Covid deniers, and I don't know how they talk/ what they say. I don't have time for them. I said what I said because it's true- your life, and your dog's life and medical needs, continues. I also didn't say you had/ have an anxiety issue.

OP here, thanks. I think you were being brief, and leaving out entirely that you are a healthcare worker made "life goes on" pretty easy to misconstrue. However, quarantining the at risk person makes not so much sense when one considers the original question: can a dog give it to human? Not that long ago, we didnt even think a dog could get it at all. At this point, we dont know what we dont know. What makes the most sense really is to quarantine the dog. Quarantining only one person in a multi person household means everyone else is exposed, could be asymptomatic carriers, and then give it to the highest risk person down the line.

I might remind everyone who is so eager to point to anxiety and mental illness, this is exactly the talk of Covid deniers. This was the attitude given about the notion of young people who are healthy being asymptomatic carriers, which is now pretty much a known fact.

When it comes to animals, the least is known. Every single scenario I asked about is exactly what people in public health ask too. Just a few months ago, we were being told only sick old people get this. Now here we are. Nothing was "documented" at one time, and now it is. There is no reason to think we dont discover unpleasant facts about animal to human transmission.

Its already been documented from mink to human.

Anonymous wrote:OP, you seem unnecessarily hostile here. You want to focus only on dog-to-human transmission of which there hasn’t even been a documented case. Then you seem upset at any other suggestions offered. Why?

Actually, OP focused on human to dog transmission as the primary concern for the second worry.

We dont know what we dont know.

OP, you seem unnecessarily hostile here. You want to focus only on dog-to-human transmission of which there hasn’t even been a documented case. Then you seem upset at any other suggestions offered. Why?

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So far, very few people have even read and understood my post to understand my concern.

Only a few people understood my concern was NOT for MY contact with the vet, or the dog carrying covid on its body externally to then bring it home, like on a package.

I was concerned specifically about human to animal transmission which HAS been documented, and animal to human transmission, which so far has not been, but is suspected in one case of minks on the minkfarm.

Almost no one so far has actually responded to the missing information (quantitative) and mostly responded to their personal interpretation of my risk concern (qualitative and subjective).

The fact is there are many unknowns.

I am NOT WORRIED about getting covid from a person at the vets office.

But, responders stopped reading a long time ago.

PP with the high risk child- thank you for understanding.

Poster who says they know a lot of people who die, if you are a healthcare worked like you say, then thank you for your service to others. But until you have lost one of your own, and I have many times to different things, you dont get to tell other people that their priorities are off.

I understand your concern. I feel like the risk of your dog catching Covid from the vet/staff (they are wearing ppe for god’s sake) and then giving it to your husband is so close to zero the calculator couldn’t calculate the percentage. With kindness I say you should talk to someone about your anxiety. Your fears aren’t normal re the vet.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So far, very few people have even read and understood my post to understand my concern.

Only a few people understood my concern was NOT for MY contact with the vet, or the dog carrying covid on its body externally to then bring it home, like on a package.

I was concerned specifically about human to animal transmission which HAS been documented, and animal to human transmission, which so far has not been, but is suspected in one case of minks on the minkfarm.

Almost no one so far has actually responded to the missing information (quantitative) and mostly responded to their personal interpretation of my risk concern (qualitative and subjective).

The fact is there are many unknowns.

I am NOT WORRIED about getting covid from a person at the vets office.

But, responders stopped reading a long time ago.

PP with the high risk child- thank you for understanding.

Poster who says they know a lot of people who die, if you are a healthcare worked like you say, then thank you for your service to others. But until you have lost one of your own, and I have many times to different things, you dont get to tell other people that their priorities are off.

PP here on Covid unit. I have lost much of my own family to various diseases, except for an aunt in another state, and distant relatives in other countries. I also never said anything about your priorities; in fact, I said you were making the right decision by taking the dog in.
You seem very defensive. People are trying to help you.

OP here. Im sorry for all your losses. I was trying to get actual usable information, not opinions on whether or not my have a concern is an "anxiety issue". Your post was confusing because you didnt provide the context at the start for your comment. "Life has to go on" is a statement used routinely by covid deniers, and I would think you would be sensitive to that reality and those words, since you live that reality every day.

You might have said "As a healthcare professional working in a covid ward, I would recommend a 14 day quarantine for your high risk family member in any situation where you have reason to believe a person has been exposed to a covid positive person. Not being sure you were or not, thats your best option".

And now you’re telling people how they should have responded to you. F off, OP. You’re so unsympathetic.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So far, very few people have even read and understood my post to understand my concern.

Only a few people understood my concern was NOT for MY contact with the vet, or the dog carrying covid on its body externally to then bring it home, like on a package.

I was concerned specifically about human to animal transmission which HAS been documented, and animal to human transmission, which so far has not been, but is suspected in one case of minks on the minkfarm.

Almost no one so far has actually responded to the missing information (quantitative) and mostly responded to their personal interpretation of my risk concern (qualitative and subjective).

The fact is there are many unknowns.

I am NOT WORRIED about getting covid from a person at the vets office.

But, responders stopped reading a long time ago.

PP with the high risk child- thank you for understanding.

Poster who says they know a lot of people who die, if you are a healthcare worked like you say, then thank you for your service to others. But until you have lost one of your own, and I have many times to different things, you dont get to tell other people that their priorities are off.

Uh, why on earth would you think the people responding to you haven’t lost people? Truly, seek help. You are narcissistic to the extreme.

Anonymous wrote:OP again. I think I need to clarify my concern, I have zero concern for a topical riding on the fur viral transmission of this to infect us here. Thats taken care of by contactless interaction and washing.

I am concerned for the possibility of my dog actually getting infected herself especially during the surgical procedure.

For this to occur, there would _probably_ have to be a certain viral load exposure AND a duration, but that is just using human to human transmission models.

For a shorter duration visit for the exam, I am less concerned.

Omg you are insane. There have been like three dogs with Covid. Stop overthinking this. Truly I don’t understand people who like to borrow trouble. It seems like a mental illness.