Anonymous
Post 09/03/2020 14:30     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Quick update is that I got a call from the coach today. He noticed my son “wasn’t having fun” yesterday and his coach and parental antennae went up. Without giving too many specifics I told him I appreciated the call and mentioned while DS was being given a hard time by his teammates, we were working on mental toughness.

I don’t know if someone else said something to him, but I felt like he might have been fishing for information.

Nonetheless, initially appreciated the call and we both said we’d keep our eyes on this.

We’ll each this over the next few weeks. All good. And thanks for all the great advice here DCUM.


Best advice on this thread was to tell your son to punch the kid square in the face if it happens again.


No it wasn't. Punching is how you handle physical bullying. Verbal bullying has to be handled verbally. If a kid tells you you suck and you punch him, then your teammates will rightly blame you and the problem will get much worse.


Nah, a kid keeps ragging on you verbally, you drop him. 99/100. It takes care of the problem. I'm not saying...a kid says you suck once and you punch him, but if it gets to a certain point, you pop him.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2020 14:23     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

Anonymous wrote:I haven't seen a situation exactly like this, but I did catch my son being quite critical of a particular thing another kid was doing (e.g., "I can't pass you the ball, because whenever I do you always do X, Y, and Z.") I had a talk with him and stressed that it wasn't helpful to say things like that - the coach will take care of whatever the perceived problem is with the kid, and his job was to just stay quiet about it and do his personal best.


+1.

There was a situation on my son's team once when a new goalkeeper joined the team half way through the season and didn't have a great start. The goalkeeper didn't help himself by clowning around and pretending he didn't care about his poor performance, and some of the kids started to express their frustration towards him. I made sure that I walked away from the field with my son while the most vocal critic of the goalkeeper was walking close enough to hear, and asked my son
- how he would feel if he joined a new team and let them down badly in his first couple of games
- whether it was more likely the goalkpeeper actually felt that way inside and that his apparent behavior was "acting tough" to disguise his vulnerability, or that he really didn't care
- whether the team was better off with the goalkeeper playing well or poorly
- what behavior from his teammates was likely to help the goalkeeper regain confidence and improve, and what behavior might have the opposite effect.

Got good answers from my son, and the vocal teammate joined in the discussion and learned too.

If we had had a good coach I wouldn't have needed to do anything of course, but we had a terrible coach that year.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2020 11:27     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

I haven't seen a situation exactly like this, but I did catch my son being quite critical of a particular thing another kid was doing (e.g., "I can't pass you the ball, because whenever I do you always do X, Y, and Z.") I had a talk with him and stressed that it wasn't helpful to say things like that - the coach will take care of whatever the perceived problem is with the kid, and his job was to just stay quiet about it and do his personal best.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2020 11:12     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, bullying never stops until the bullied kid practices very hard. This not only improves his skills but more importantly greatly improves his/her self-confidence.

Being new to any team, there’s always a feeling of isolation unless the player joins with his/her friends too. This happened to my DD when she joined a team 2 years ago. While she was a decent player, she was new to the travel team environment. Hence, she didn’t understand some of the positioning and terminologies. She was fine after one season. In addition, she practiced a lot on her own and I noticed not only a spike in her skills but a huge spike in her confidence too. She’s now U13.


With my son, it was the opposite. He was easily one of the top three players on the team and the bullying came from some of the weaker skilled players, but physically larger. They couldn't stop him on the field so they went after him with cheap shots, both verbally and physically.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2020 10:57     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Quick update is that I got a call from the coach today. He noticed my son “wasn’t having fun” yesterday and his coach and parental antennae went up. Without giving too many specifics I told him I appreciated the call and mentioned while DS was being given a hard time by his teammates, we were working on mental toughness.

I don’t know if someone else said something to him, but I felt like he might have been fishing for information.

Nonetheless, initially appreciated the call and we both said we’d keep our eyes on this.

We’ll each this over the next few weeks. All good. And thanks for all the great advice here DCUM.


Best advice on this thread was to tell your son to punch the kid square in the face if it happens again.


No it wasn't. Punching is how you handle physical bullying. Verbal bullying has to be handled verbally. If a kid tells you you suck and you punch him, then your teammates will rightly blame you and the problem will get much worse.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2020 10:06     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here. Quick update is that I got a call from the coach today. He noticed my son “wasn’t having fun” yesterday and his coach and parental antennae went up. Without giving too many specifics I told him I appreciated the call and mentioned while DS was being given a hard time by his teammates, we were working on mental toughness.

I don’t know if someone else said something to him, but I felt like he might have been fishing for information.

Nonetheless, initially appreciated the call and we both said we’d keep our eyes on this.

We’ll each this over the next few weeks. All good. And thanks for all the great advice here DCUM.


Best advice on this thread was to tell your son to punch the kid square in the face if it happens again.


I have seen that happen. A lot of the team cheered when the bully got knocked out. The guy was a total d@ck. You can do something similar without hitting the bullies. Just put that guy on the ground in every drill and practice.

The problems are the worst with the girls. They form little gangs and their parents encourage it. They take the other girls ball and kick it into the woods, bully in car pool, etc just never stops.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2020 08:59     Subject: Re:Soccer Team Bullies

Unfortunately, bullying never stops until the bullied kid practices very hard. [i]This not only improves his skills but more importantly greatly improves his/her self-confidence.

Being new to any team, there’s always a feeling of isolation unless the player joins with his/her friends too. This happened to my DD when she joined a team 2 years ago. While she was a decent player, she was new to the travel team environment. Hence, she didn’t understand some of the positioning and terminologies. She was fine after one season. In addition, she practiced a lot on her own and I noticed not only a spike in her skills but a huge spike in her confidence too. She’s now U13.


This wasn't my experience, on the boys' side. I was one of the best players on the team, but for social reasons wholly unrelated to the team, I was bullied by the older kids. For the entire season. Working harder and outperforming them did not change anything for the better. Boys aged 13-15 are usually dicks because they're going through so much developmentally (physically and emptionally) that they have trouble controlling themselves. And socially, they are so afraid of being "weak" that they will find any reason to single anyone else out.


Boys at that age can be very cruel. So did you stay with the team or leave?


This was years ago, in a different sport that wasn't single age (it was a team of 13, 14, 15 year olds). I was 13. They were 15 (think about that - I was just out of 7th grade, they were just out of freshman year). I gutted it out that first year, proved myself on the field, dreaded every practice and game. Got into 2 fistfights, and the coaches made us both run laps for 30 minutes (coaches otherwise ignored it because the team was very good and they were bad coaches (former semi-pro players with no understanding of youth development)). But I stayed because it was the best team in the area to play on, and I really loved the sport. Talk about a Hobson's choice. The next year, one year older and a veteran and one of the biggest contributers, the 15 yos left me alone. I tried to help the younger kids, same the following year. it still makes me mad. If any of my kids ever bullies another kid, especially a younger kid, game over.


I'm sorry that happened. That sounds like a strange dynamic (not single age).

All I can say is that for my son's travel soccer team, there is not a ton of socializing except when we are on travel in another far away location (rare occasions of staying in a hotel, the very occasional team lunch). Kids generally seem to play or practice and leave. There's not a big social dynamic - it is about soccer. My son does very occasionally socialize with one other teammate (they have a mutual friend outside of soccer, so sometimes they hang out together with him). But no one else is a particular friend or enemy. The relationships are just about the sport, not personal.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2020 08:51     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Quick update is that I got a call from the coach today. He noticed my son “wasn’t having fun” yesterday and his coach and parental antennae went up. Without giving too many specifics I told him I appreciated the call and mentioned while DS was being given a hard time by his teammates, we were working on mental toughness.

I don’t know if someone else said something to him, but I felt like he might have been fishing for information.

Nonetheless, initially appreciated the call and we both said we’d keep our eyes on this.

We’ll each this over the next few weeks. All good. And thanks for all the great advice here DCUM.


Best advice on this thread was to tell your son to punch the kid square in the face if it happens again.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 22:41     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

OP here. Quick update is that I got a call from the coach today. He noticed my son “wasn’t having fun” yesterday and his coach and parental antennae went up. Without giving too many specifics I told him I appreciated the call and mentioned while DS was being given a hard time by his teammates, we were working on mental toughness.

I don’t know if someone else said something to him, but I felt like he might have been fishing for information.

Nonetheless, initially appreciated the call and we both said we’d keep our eyes on this.

We’ll each this over the next few weeks. All good. And thanks for all the great advice here DCUM.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 22:02     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, bullying never stops until the bullied kid practices very hard. [i]This not only improves his skills but more importantly greatly improves his/her self-confidence.

Being new to any team, there’s always a feeling of isolation unless the player joins with his/her friends too. This happened to my DD when she joined a team 2 years ago. While she was a decent player, she was new to the travel team environment. Hence, she didn’t understand some of the positioning and terminologies. She was fine after one season. In addition, she practiced a lot on her own and I noticed not only a spike in her skills but a huge spike in her confidence too. She’s now U13.


This wasn't my experience, on the boys' side. I was one of the best players on the team, but for social reasons wholly unrelated to the team, I was bullied by the older kids. For the entire season. Working harder and outperforming them did not change anything for the better. Boys aged 13-15 are usually dicks because they're going through so much developmentally (physically and emptionally) that they have trouble controlling themselves. And socially, they are so afraid of being "weak" that they will find any reason to single anyone else out.


Boys at that age can be very cruel. So did you stay with the team or leave?


This was years ago, in a different sport that wasn't single age (it was a team of 13, 14, 15 year olds). I was 13. They were 15 (think about that - I was just out of 7th grade, they were just out of freshman year). I gutted it out that first year, proved myself on the field, dreaded every practice and game. Got into 2 fistfights, and the coaches made us both run laps for 30 minutes (coaches otherwise ignored it because the team was very good and they were bad coaches (former semi-pro players with no understanding of youth development)). But I stayed because it was the best team in the area to play on, and I really loved the sport. Talk about a Hobson's choice. The next year, one year older and a veteran and one of the biggest contributers, the 15 yos left me alone. I tried to help the younger kids, same the following year. it still makes me mad. If any of my kids ever bullies another kid, especially a younger kid, game over.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 21:53     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, bullying never stops until the bullied kid practices very hard. [i]This not only improves his skills but more importantly greatly improves his/her self-confidence.

Being new to any team, there’s always a feeling of isolation unless the player joins with his/her friends too. This happened to my DD when she joined a team 2 years ago. While she was a decent player, she was new to the travel team environment. Hence, she didn’t understand some of the positioning and terminologies. She was fine after one season. In addition, she practiced a lot on her own and I noticed not only a spike in her skills but a huge spike in her confidence too. She’s now U13.


This wasn't my experience, on the boys' side. I was one of the best players on the team, but for social reasons wholly unrelated to the team, I was bullied by the older kids. For the entire season. Working harder and outperforming them did not change anything for the better. Boys aged 13-15 are usually dicks because they're going through so much developmentally (physically and emptionally) that they have trouble controlling themselves. And socially, they are so afraid of being "weak" that they will find any reason to single anyone else out.


Boys at that age can be very cruel. So did you stay with the team or leave?
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 21:48     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

Anonymous wrote:Unfortunately, bullying never stops until the bullied kid practices very hard. [i]This not only improves his skills but more importantly greatly improves his/her self-confidence.

Being new to any team, there’s always a feeling of isolation unless the player joins with his/her friends too. This happened to my DD when she joined a team 2 years ago. While she was a decent player, she was new to the travel team environment. Hence, she didn’t understand some of the positioning and terminologies. She was fine after one season. In addition, she practiced a lot on her own and I noticed not only a spike in her skills but a huge spike in her confidence too. She’s now U13.


This wasn't my experience, on the boys' side. I was one of the best players on the team, but for social reasons wholly unrelated to the team, I was bullied by the older kids. For the entire season. Working harder and outperforming them did not change anything for the better. Boys aged 13-15 are usually dicks because they're going through so much developmentally (physically and emptionally) that they have trouble controlling themselves. And socially, they are so afraid of being "weak" that they will find any reason to single anyone else out.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 21:16     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

The better the team, the worse this gets. Parents become super competitive and the apple never falls far from the tree.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 21:14     Subject: Soccer Team Bullies

My DD was bullied u12 and u13. Coach didn’t care, he was really the source of the mean spirited environment. We left and she was So much happier. As you know, kids are mean, and their parents are meaner.
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2020 21:14     Subject: Re:Soccer Team Bullies

I would coach him on strategies to defend himself -there's many reasons why boys behave in this situation -he's obnoxious, he's amazing and they're jealous, he's a ball hog, or simply bad team of unkind kids etc. I would pop into a few practices to see if you can determine the dynamic. Ultimately I'd give it some time because my guess is coaches at a travel level eventually pick up on this dynamic and intervene. The last thing you want to do is be the helicopter parent. If you ultimately decide to mention to coach, DO NOT TELL you son because you don't want him to learn that you'll save the day all the time when things get rough.