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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

+1 There's not one school in MoCo that would not be considered diverse. If you want to see "white" schools, check out some schools in the Midwest or New England.

You have to look at the demographics of the entire state or county. Midwest states are mostly whites to begin with so how can its schools be diverse. Any school in our area that is 45% or above White is not really diverse

?? lol omg you people

What’s wrong with the PP’s comment? If an area (County) is all White, then it’s schools are all White. MoCo is a demographically diverse county, but the demographic ratio at the W schools does not reflect the demographic ratio of the county. So the PP has a good point. The reason why MCPS is doing the boundary study is to address these mostly White W schools (ie segregation).

Open neighborhood schools are not segregation. While there are racist origins to some of the alignments they are now open to all if they can afford them. The wealth gap is the current primary reason and MCPS aren't going to fix that over night. Pragmatically there isn't many good options without breaking down the neighborhood concept which most people in the county disprove doing.

Even if they did make it break down the neighborhood alignment concept like San Fran did, Rich people will redefine what is desirable and push poor people out what ever floats to the top of the pile. The problem is the power dynamic that people with money have options and poor people have to take what they are given. And when something is desirable poor people don't have anyway to hold on to it except complain to the people who are in charge...who are often rich themselves.

Notice how the former poor part of Silver Spring that was attached to BCC is now the most expensive part of silver spring and almost none of the historical black community is left. The board knows this and while there will be some teeth added by the boundary study, I would bet large sums of money that the Ws wont turn into the DCC after it.

You’re not answering my question. You are just focusing on segregation.

Either way, W schools are predominantly White which does not reflect the demographic ratio of MoCo. Would love to see a BLM sign at these W schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I agreed with you, Neighborhood schools don't reflect the county, they reflect the neighborhood. Almost none to none of the schools county wide match the aggregated county statistics. That doesn't mean they are bad it just means that people cluster for a host of reasons with only a few of them being bad. Yes the real money is on the west half of the county and yes most of those people want very little to do with unwashed masses (tongue in cheek). I am not sure how you expect the school system to fix that. My point is while a feel good win for some would be to force poor kids into these schools via long bus rides and what not and it might seem like a win. I am not sure it is a sustainable solution that wont correct it's self in short order or have secondary effects like gentrifying currently affordable close in areas that get designated W aligned. When middle class parents flock to them as the consortium have their FARM and ESOL rates continue to rise in the eastern county, it isn't the rich people pushing the poor people to the side, it is the middle class hogging the life boats.

I don't have much patience with the idea that there are only two options

(1) continue the current boundaries that maintain segregated schools, OR
(2) "force poor kids via long bus rides and whatnot"

The current boundaries were not handed down from Mt. Sinai engraved on stone tablets. In some cases, boundary changes would increase geographic proximity AND decrease segregation.

Anonymous wrote:I agreed with you, Neighborhood schools don't reflect the county, they reflect the neighborhood. Almost none to none of the schools county wide match the aggregated county statistics. That doesn't mean they are bad it just means that people cluster for a host of reasons with only a few of them being bad. Yes the real money is on the west half of the county and yes most of those people want very little to do with unwashed masses (tongue in cheek). I am not sure how you expect the school system to fix that. My point is while a feel good win for some would be to force poor kids into these schools via long bus rides and what not and it might seem like a win. I am not sure it is a sustainable solution that wont correct it's self in short order or have secondary effects like gentrifying currently affordable close in areas that get designated W aligned. When middle class parents flock to them as the consortium have their FARM and ESOL rates continue to rise in the eastern county, it isn't the rich people pushing the poor people to the side, it is the middle class hogging the life boats.

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

+1 There's not one school in MoCo that would not be considered diverse. If you want to see "white" schools, check out some schools in the Midwest or New England.

You have to look at the demographics of the entire state or county. Midwest states are mostly whites to begin with so how can its schools be diverse. Any school in our area that is 45% or above White is not really diverse

?? lol omg you people

What’s wrong with the PP’s comment? If an area (County) is all White, then it’s schools are all White. MoCo is a demographically diverse county, but the demographic ratio at the W schools does not reflect the demographic ratio of the county. So the PP has a good point. The reason why MCPS is doing the boundary study is to address these mostly White W schools (ie segregation).

Open neighborhood schools are not segregation. While there are racist origins to some of the alignments they are now open to all if they can afford them. The wealth gap is the current primary reason and MCPS aren't going to fix that over night. Pragmatically there isn't many good options without breaking down the neighborhood concept which most people in the county disprove doing.

Even if they did make it break down the neighborhood alignment concept like San Fran did, Rich people will redefine what is desirable and push poor people out what ever floats to the top of the pile. The problem is the power dynamic that people with money have options and poor people have to take what they are given. And when something is desirable poor people don't have anyway to hold on to it except complain to the people who are in charge...who are often rich themselves.

Notice how the former poor part of Silver Spring that was attached to BCC is now the most expensive part of silver spring and almost none of the historical black community is left. The board knows this and while there will be some teeth added by the boundary study, I would bet large sums of money that the Ws wont turn into the DCC after it.

You’re not answering my question. You are just focusing on segregation.

Either way, W schools are predominantly White which does not reflect the demographic ratio of MoCo. Would love to see a BLM sign at these W schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

+1 There's not one school in MoCo that would not be considered diverse. If you want to see "white" schools, check out some schools in the Midwest or New England.

You have to look at the demographics of the entire state or county. Midwest states are mostly whites to begin with so how can its schools be diverse. Any school in our area that is 45% or above White is not really diverse

?? lol omg you people

What’s wrong with the PP’s comment? If an area (County) is all White, then it’s schools are all White. MoCo is a demographically diverse county, but the demographic ratio at the W schools does not reflect the demographic ratio of the county. So the PP has a good point. The reason why MCPS is doing the boundary study is to address these mostly White W schools (ie segregation).

Open neighborhood schools are not segregation. While there are racist origins to some of the alignments they are now open to all if they can afford them. The wealth gap is the current primary reason and MCPS aren't going to fix that over night. Pragmatically there isn't many good options without breaking down the neighborhood concept which most people in the county disprove doing.

Even if they did make it break down the neighborhood alignment concept like San Fran did, Rich people will redefine what is desirable and push poor people out what ever floats to the top of the pile. The problem is the power dynamic that people with money have options and poor people have to take what they are given. And when something is desirable poor people don't have anyway to hold on to it except complain to the people who are in charge...who are often rich themselves.

Notice how the former poor part of Silver Spring that was attached to BCC is now the most expensive part of silver spring and almost none of the historical black community is left. The board knows this and while there will be some teeth added by the boundary study, I would bet large sums of money that the Ws wont turn into the DCC after it.

You’re not answering my question. You are just focusing on segregation.

Either way, W schools are predominantly White which does not reflect the demographic ratio of MoCo. Would love to see a BLM sign at these W schools.

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

+1 There's not one school in MoCo that would not be considered diverse. If you want to see "white" schools, check out some schools in the Midwest or New England.

You have to look at the demographics of the entire state or county. Midwest states are mostly whites to begin with so how can its schools be diverse. Any school in our area that is 45% or above White is not really diverse

?? lol omg you people

What’s wrong with the PP’s comment? If an area (County) is all White, then it’s schools are all White. MoCo is a demographically diverse county, but the demographic ratio at the W schools does not reflect the demographic ratio of the county. So the PP has a good point. The reason why MCPS is doing the boundary study is to address these mostly White W schools (ie segregation).

Open neighborhood schools are not segregation. While there are racist origins to some of the alignments they are now open to all if they can afford them. The wealth gap is the current primary reason and MCPS aren't going to fix that over night. Pragmatically there isn't many good options without breaking down the neighborhood concept which most people in the county disprove doing.

Even if they did make it break down the neighborhood alignment concept like San Fran did, Rich people will redefine what is desirable and push poor people out what ever floats to the top of the pile. The problem is the power dynamic that people with money have options and poor people have to take what they are given. And when something is desirable poor people don't have anyway to hold on to it except complain to the people who are in charge...who are often rich themselves.

Notice how the former poor part of Silver Spring that was attached to BCC is now the most expensive part of silver spring and almost none of the historical black community is left. The board knows this and while there will be some teeth added by the boundary study, I would bet large sums of money that the Ws wont turn into the DCC after it.

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Open neighborhood schools are not segregation. While there are racist origins to some of the alignments they are now open to all if they can afford them. The wealth gap is the current primary reason and MCPS aren't going to fix that over night. Pragmatically there isn't many good options without breaking down the neighborhood concept which most people in the county disprove doing.

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

+1 There's not one school in MoCo that would not be considered diverse. If you want to see "white" schools, check out some schools in the Midwest or New England.

You have to look at the demographics of the entire state or county. Midwest states are mostly whites to begin with so how can its schools be diverse. Any school in our area that is 45% or above White is not really diverse

?? lol omg you people

What’s wrong with the PP’s comment? If an area (County) is all White, then it’s schools are all White. MoCo is a demographically diverse county, but the demographic ratio at the W schools does not reflect the demographic ratio of the county. So the PP has a good point. The reason why MCPS is doing the boundary study is to address these mostly White W schools (ie segregation).

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

+1 There's not one school in MoCo that would not be considered diverse. If you want to see "white" schools, check out some schools in the Midwest or New England.

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

+1 There's not one school in MoCo that would not be considered diverse. If you want to see "white" schools, check out some schools in the Midwest or New England.

You have to look at the demographics of the entire state or county. Midwest states are mostly whites to begin with so how can its schools be diverse. Any school in our area that is 45% or above White is not really diverse

?? lol omg you people

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

Data came from here:

CHURCHILL:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/maryland/districts/montgomery-county-public-schools/winston-churchill-high-9153/student-body

WOOTTON:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/maryland/districts/montgomery-county-public-schools/thomas-s-wootton-high-9149/student-body

These are the W's which are synonymous with segregation. They have almost <5% (read 0) Hispanic or black students. They have no FARMs students even though the county is 35% FARMS. Their boundaries are gerrymandered to achieve this end. They claim they're the good schools, but reality is the test score by demographic group >5% is about the same as every other MCPS school. This is why they're overrated.

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Anonymous wrote:The W schools are predominantly White schools except for Wootton. W schools’ average test scores are higher compared to other schools due to the higher concentration of affluent students (or lower number of underprivileged/FARM students).

RM, with it’s IB program, has smarter students, but their entire school average test scores are lower than W schools since they have much less concentration to affluent (higher underprivileged/FARM students).

Keep in mind that affluent parents spend a lot more money hiring tutors, SAT prep courses, C2 Education, etc.

Not true. Churchill is 47% white.
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04602.pdf

For comparison's sake, Wootton is 42% white. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

Just a reminder to do your own research and not trust what people say on this board.

Data came from here:

CHURCHILL:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/maryland/districts/montgomery-county-public-schools/winston-churchill-high-9153/student-body

WOOTTON:
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/maryland/districts/montgomery-county-public-schools/thomas-s-wootton-high-9149/student-body

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Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery. With IB it is worse than Rockville and Magruder. Quince Orchard already surpasses it with IB.

Agree! And their IB dept is not good.

I’m confused. Magruder, Rockvilke and QO has IB programs??

Why is RM’s IB program not good? I’m confused here too. RM (or MCPS) does not create the IB material, as it’s an international program. The same material is taught worldwide.

Unless your DC didn’t get accepted to RM, that’s why you said it’s not good. Please clarify.

Anonymous wrote:God, these threads are just a forum to make nasty but heavily veiled bigoted comments about people of color and poor people - the undesirables that’s DCUM parents despise and can’t get far enough away from.

Aren’t there enough of these threads? And PP, if you want to understand school quality, why not talk to actual parents in with kids in these schools as opposed to some anonymous forum where people - mostly white UMC - can’t wait to sh/t on anyone who isn’t just like them.