Anonymous wrote:Some strong feelings going on here, but I agree with the OP. Americans are selfish. Those of you who are saying you are following the governments guidelines need to remember that these guidelines are playing to the lowest denominator. Is that you? Or can you do better? If you can, then you should. It’s your civic duty.

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Anonymous wrote:You're worried about your kids being at home primarily because of you or your job, not them.
You are now allowing them to go on sleepovers and worse.
Some of you are sending them on summer trips/camp.
Then you will send them to school with my kids.
You'll get what you deserve -- but so will your kids, and so will mine, and so will I.
Thanks.

You are welcome. Sorry that no one willing to stop their lives for your anxiety.

Anonymous wrote:You're worried about your kids being at home primarily because of you or your job, not them.
You are now allowing them to go on sleepovers and worse.
Some of you are sending them on summer trips/camp.
Then you will send them to school with my kids.
You'll get what you deserve -- but so will your kids, and so will mine, and so will I.
Thanks.

Anonymous wrote:The problem is most people aren't social distancing and most people don't need to send their kids to day care. Some do, many don't. The ambulance drivers and medical professionals are getting sick from selfish people and dying but no one seems to care about that. There is a huge difference between them going to work and people going to the beach, traveling and out to eat.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are calling other people selfish but have spent the last three months not going to grocery stores and instead shifting that risk onto a low paid Instacart workers, you need to take a look at yourself.

Newsflash - everyone is selfish in ways. Deal with it.

Selfish behavior isn't okay just because "everyone" engages in it, and not everyone does. If anyone "calling other people selfish" is also acting in selfish ways themselves, that means that they also need to correct their behavior, not accept that everyone will behave badly.

Also, paying others to do your grocery shopping may be a good choice for people who are immunocompromised.

Plenty of people ordering grocery delivery are not immunocompromised. They are shifting the risk to low wage workers and patting themselves on the back for how responsible they are being. Not all people ordering groceries are in this boat, of course, and I agree that for some, this is the safest choice. But for many, that's not the case. I have plenty of friends who are doing just this, but then are appalled when others have a socially distant visit with a small number of friends or family.

People are very judgmental of anyone behaving in ways that are different than how they are behaving - and I think this goes across the spectrum, for those being the most careful to the least. We're all selfish in ways, we're all judgmental in ways, and we aren't doing ourselves any favors.

I do tend to agree with you on the grocery store delivery and putting the risk on others, and we do our own grocery shopping. That said someone else said if I am purchasing food, I’m still part of the problem and I do sadly agree with that. I don’t think conditions are good in these meat plants or for migrant workers living in close quarters.

Better go start living off the grid then. Maybe you can shoot a deer with a musket or something.

I don't think PP is saying that....

Ultimately none of us are behaving perfectly from a COVID19 perspective, so maybe we should just worry about ourselves and our families, make the best decisions for us and our health, and be less judgmental when other people, whose circumstances we don't really know, make decisions other than ones we would make.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are calling other people selfish but have spent the last three months not going to grocery stores and instead shifting that risk onto a low paid Instacart workers, you need to take a look at yourself.

Newsflash - everyone is selfish in ways. Deal with it.

Selfish behavior isn't okay just because "everyone" engages in it, and not everyone does. If anyone "calling other people selfish" is also acting in selfish ways themselves, that means that they also need to correct their behavior, not accept that everyone will behave badly.

Also, paying others to do your grocery shopping may be a good choice for people who are immunocompromised.

Plenty of people ordering grocery delivery are not immunocompromised. They are shifting the risk to low wage workers and patting themselves on the back for how responsible they are being. Not all people ordering groceries are in this boat, of course, and I agree that for some, this is the safest choice. But for many, that's not the case. I have plenty of friends who are doing just this, but then are appalled when others have a socially distant visit with a small number of friends or family.

People are very judgmental of anyone behaving in ways that are different than how they are behaving - and I think this goes across the spectrum, for those being the most careful to the least. We're all selfish in ways, we're all judgmental in ways, and we aren't doing ourselves any favors.

I do tend to agree with you on the grocery store delivery and putting the risk on others, and we do our own grocery shopping. That said someone else said if I am purchasing food, I’m still part of the problem and I do sadly agree with that. I don’t think conditions are good in these meat plants or for migrant workers living in close quarters.

Better go start living off the grid then. Maybe you can shoot a deer with a musket or something.

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Anonymous wrote:We have not come together as a country or community. I don’t know why - it’s so unAmerican to be so self-centered in a time of crisis. Yes, our lack of leadership contributed to this but it’s not the whole story.

Yes, it really is the whole story.

Gimme a T, gimme a R...!

Disgusting what we have come to.

America is completely finished. Our population will continue to grapple with virus while others clean up the mess and move on. Our economy is doomed and so is our culture. I think the November election is already too late.

Trump destroyed us.

I think this is a bit pessimistic. Many in America don't support Trump. He doesn't represent all Americans, thankfully

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Anonymous wrote:“Sleepovers and worse.” What could be worse? Do tell!

Graduation parties. Summer pool parties. Beach trips.

We are going to all 3 this summer!!+!+
Woo hoo!!

Pool parties and beach trips are likely much safer than hanging out with a bunch of people all night in a still room, breathing the same air.

Umm they're proving decidedly not. Something about standing in a tepid pool of water, inhaling the spray, and laying immobile for hours next to way too many people spreads virus...who knew. Not to mention all the tactile contact between strangers and friends.

https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/06/22/teenagers-coronavirus-senior-week-delaware/

https://people.com/health/ohio-teens-test-positive-for-coronavirus-after-trip-myrtle-beach/

If you read the story you would see the kids were staying together in the same rental unit.

So, no pool spread or beach spread. These kids slept together and traveled together.

Anonymous wrote:I don't agree with "you'll get what you deserve" because not everyone who doesn't practice social distancing will get COVID and I'm uncomfortable with the idea that people "deserve" to be sick even if they take risks. On everything else, agree with OP.

Please continue to socially distance until/unless public health authorities in your area recommend otherwise. If not for yourself or for your kids because you're healthy, for people who may suffer severe consequences if they get sick. For the future of everyone around the world.

COVID has killed healthy and young people: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05/health/young-people-dying-coronavirus-sanjay-gupta/index.html. It can potentially have long term consequences, lung damage and neurological issues among them: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-we-know-about-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19