Clearly we have community spread here in AZ. What are the roots of it? From what I’ve seen:

1) the 20 something bar crowd...they do not care, and capacity restrictions are not being enforced AT ALL

2) the lower income Latino communities- larger families living in close quarters, most work in the service industry and bring it home, and more proximity to & reliance on extended family. These parents can’t work from home (and most worked straight through the shutdown as essential workers)- kids cared for by grandma or aunt etc. Also less healthy than the general population as a whole.


It is true people here are not good about wearing masks (varies by community) and that is exacerbating the problem - there should be a mandate. However all of the MW states are as bad or worse about masks and they aren’t seeing spread to this degree. I’ll be curious to see how things look in a month or so in those states, particularly the urban areas.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Chances

Every post I've seen on this board about somewhere else being a "disaster" has been regarding a state that had a very low level of cases for the last three months, but which is now seeing a trend upward. Because they, unlike NY and other places in the NE, actually flattened the curve. Unless we all stay inside until a vaccine is available, the curve was going to start back up again when we stopped isolating. You folks are moving the goalposts.

If Arizona is seeing their ICU beds fill up and is recruiting health care workers to come in from other areas, those are exactly the goalposts set at the beginning—to flatten the curve so that hospitals are not overwhelmed.

+ 1 In this case, I think lack of mask use is the difference.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Chances

Every post I've seen on this board about somewhere else being a "disaster" has been regarding a state that had a very low level of cases for the last three months, but which is now seeing a trend upward. Because they, unlike NY and other places in the NE, actually flattened the curve. Unless we all stay inside until a vaccine is available, the curve was going to start back up again when we stopped isolating. You folks are moving the goalposts.

If Arizona is seeing their ICU beds fill up and is recruiting health care workers to come in from other areas, those are exactly the goalposts set at the beginning—to flatten the curve so that hospitals are not overwhelmed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Chances

Every post I've seen on this board about somewhere else being a "disaster" has been regarding a state that had a very low level of cases for the last three months, but which is now seeing a trend upward. Because they, unlike NY and other places in the NE, actually flattened the curve. Unless we all stay inside until a vaccine is available, the curve was going to start back up again when we stopped isolating. You folks are moving the goalposts.

No. Virginia was in the same basic condition as Arizona right after shelter in place but we slow-rolled and have a mask-indoors policy that most everyone is adhering to. Don’t see us having the explosion AZ is having, so no, it was NOT a guarantee to happen. The goalposts recommended by the epidemiologists have always been slow rollout and preventions. AZ is the one who shorted the goalpost.

I'm curious if this was going to move North to South all along. Helped along by more lax guidelines. Obviously Virginia was tough and we still have several in place. But, it seems it's migrating south and maybe it was going to happen no matter what people did.

Indiana has been opening much sooner and kids can play sports and swim like normal and are their cases going up?

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Anonymous wrote:^ Chances

Every post I've seen on this board about somewhere else being a "disaster" has been regarding a state that had a very low level of cases for the last three months, but which is now seeing a trend upward. Because they, unlike NY and other places in the NE, actually flattened the curve. Unless we all stay inside until a vaccine is available, the curve was going to start back up again when we stopped isolating. You folks are moving the goalposts.

No. Virginia was in the same basic condition as Arizona right after shelter in place but we slow-rolled and have a mask-indoors policy that most everyone is adhering to. Don’t see us having the explosion AZ is having, so no, it was NOT a guarantee to happen. The goalposts recommended by the epidemiologists have always been slow rollout and preventions. AZ is the one who shorted the goalpost.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Chances

Every post I've seen on this board about somewhere else being a "disaster" has been regarding a state that had a very low level of cases for the last three months, but which is now seeing a trend upward. Because they, unlike NY and other places in the NE, actually flattened the curve. Unless we all stay inside until a vaccine is available, the curve was going to start back up again when we stopped isolating. You folks are moving the goalposts.

Are we just making things up to suit our narratives now? Because this is NOT true in my state, don't know about Arizona.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why liberal counties like Pima County havent enacted their own mask law. Did Ducey prohibit that too?

I live in Tucson and yes- Ducey prohibited it. Otherwise Tucson and Phoenix proper would enact mask laws I think.

We are also having terrible wildfires here in Tucson so that is taking focus from covid-19. My neighborhood has been on “set” (ready to evacuate at a moments notice) since Thursday. Many friends did evacuate and have had to stay with family or in hotels which really doesn’t help matters in terms of spread.

Well, Tucson is pretty used to putting up with moronic governors. Remember Evan Meacham? He was a doozy.

Sorry about the wildfires... I have to say I would not be excited about evacuation if I lived on the northside. The fire won’t jump the ridge and Id rather just stay inside with air filters on max rather than try to deal with a hotel downtown. Good luck!

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why liberal counties like Pima County havent enacted their own mask law. Did Ducey prohibit that too?

I live in Tucson and yes- Ducey prohibited it. Otherwise Tucson and Phoenix proper would enact mask laws I think.

We are also having terrible wildfires here in Tucson so that is taking focus from covid-19. My neighborhood has been on “set” (ready to evacuate at a moments notice) since Thursday. Many friends did evacuate and have had to stay with family or in hotels which really doesn’t help matters in terms of spread.

As a European i just cannot understand why someone would prohibit a jurisdiction from having a mask law. It's just so devastatingly selfish.

Gotta keep Trump and his supporters happy. No GOP politician wants mean tweets from POTUS.

True, we are talking about the most sensitive of snowflakes. Can't let those feels get hurt.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why liberal counties like Pima County havent enacted their own mask law. Did Ducey prohibit that too?

Yeah, local jurisdictions can’t institute different restrictions.

My in-laws live in Phoenix and are terrified. My MIL calls their governor Trump 2.0 because she said he’s just as much of an idiot.

My god. This is so messed up. Local jurisdictions can’t even make their own decisions to wear masks.

They really have an idiot of a governor. Sounds right Trump 2.0

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Anonymous wrote:^ Chances

Every post I've seen on this board about somewhere else being a "disaster" has been regarding a state that had a very low level of cases for the last three months, but which is now seeing a trend upward. Because they, unlike NY and other places in the NE, actually flattened the curve. Unless we all stay inside until a vaccine is available, the curve was going to start back up again when we stopped isolating. You folks are moving the goalposts.

+1

My coworker in Utah was diagnosed with breast cancer last week and needs a mastectomy. Her doctors are advising it be done very very soon because they expect non-emergency surgeries will be shut down again sometime in July.

Another coworker from Utah traveled from Utah to South Carolina for a week of vacation this week.

A social acquaintance from Texas flew to Cancun today for a vacation. She had a super thin gaiter around her neck but pulled down in the picture she posted from the plane. When they got to Cancun and were picked up by someone from the resort, the staff member was wearing a surgical mask and a face shield... as this person and her husband leaned in for a picture, easily within 18 inches of the staff member, no mask or gaiter or anything. What an awful position to be in, you know they need the money but clearly they are scared. I'm actually shocked Mexico is letting Americans in and not requiring masks at the airport. But, tourism.

In short, we are screwed and this isn't going to stay in the locations that are causing the surges.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Chances

Every post I've seen on this board about somewhere else being a "disaster" has been regarding a state that had a very low level of cases for the last three months, but which is now seeing a trend upward. Because they, unlike NY and other places in the NE, actually flattened the curve. Unless we all stay inside until a vaccine is available, the curve was going to start back up again when we stopped isolating. You folks are moving the goalposts.

Not Spain, France, Italy. Not SK or Japan or Taiwan or HK.

Only in the Great US of A. We may be great but we're not acting like it.

SK is a fair point, but Spain, France and Italy were the equivalent of NY. They aren't having a resurgence because the virus burned through the vulnerable population. States in the US that are seeing more cases now are states that had very few cases per capita previously. Remember when NY had more than half the cases in the country? Or have we all forgotten that?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Chances

Every post I've seen on this board about somewhere else being a "disaster" has been regarding a state that had a very low level of cases for the last three months, but which is now seeing a trend upward. Because they, unlike NY and other places in the NE, actually flattened the curve. Unless we all stay inside until a vaccine is available, the curve was going to start back up again when we stopped isolating. You folks are moving the goalposts.

Not Spain, France, Italy. Not SK or Japan or Taiwan or HK.

Only in the Great US of A. We may be great but we're not acting like it.

Anonymous wrote:^ Chances

Every post I've seen on this board about somewhere else being a "disaster" has been regarding a state that had a very low level of cases for the last three months, but which is now seeing a trend upward. Because they, unlike NY and other places in the NE, actually flattened the curve. Unless we all stay inside until a vaccine is available, the curve was going to start back up again when we stopped isolating. You folks are moving the goalposts.

As a Canadian, I pray the border doesn’t fully open for a long, long time.