Anonymous wrote:I just listened to an NPR segment this morning about an Oregon family from Lake Oswego that had to flee the wildfires. They were fleeing the fires in their electric vehicle and were very worried that they wouldn’t be able to make it to their destination in Washington state due to a diminished battery charge.

I guess that’s one downside of an electric vehicle - if you need to flee in an emergency and don’t have a full charge, you could end up in a dangerous situation.

Well, they should really keep their car charged better. I’m on a FB group for EV oaners and I saw posts from people fleeing forest fires who were very glad they didn’t need to stop for gas because the gas stations near them were closed or had incredibly long lines—their charged electric battery allowed them to get well out of the danger zone before they needed to stop. I think this is less about gas/electric and more about how some people are prepared and some aren’t.

Anonymous wrote:I just listened to an NPR segment this morning about an Oregon family from Lake Oswego that had to flee the wildfires. They were fleeing the fires in their electric vehicle and were very worried that they wouldn’t be able to make it to their destination in Washington state due to a diminished battery charge.

I guess that’s one downside of an electric vehicle - if you need to flee in an emergency and don’t have a full charge, you could end up in a dangerous situation.

Mass evacuations can also cause gas shortages.

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Anonymous wrote:Like any other vehicle, electric vehicles have their drawbacks. For example, until now they do not allow for long trips of several hundred kilometers and are intended mainly for movement within the same city. The time it takes to fully charge a modern electric vehicle can be an hour at best, but usually it takes several hours to charge a vehicle. Even a quick and partial charge requires at least 30 minutes. Electric cars are simply very expensive. Prices for an economy class model start at $ 20,000 or $ 30,000. Tesla Model S will cost the buyer 100 thousand. If you are really interested in this topic, then I advise you to visit various forums dedicated to electric vehicles like tesla.com, https://myev.online and so on. There, the guys discuss the problems they encountered during the operation of their electric vehicles.

Why do people bother to post when they clearly have no clue what they're talking about?

My Model 3 goes 325 miles on a charge...about 5 hours of highway driving. If I'm really low, I can take it back up to about 270 in 20 minutes, less if I'm on a newer V.3 charger.
Yes, if you routinely drive 12 hours straight, you'll save a little time with an ICE car, but since most of here drive with families, that's not really an issue.

Worth noting that the long range models come at a signficant $ premium. Base model gets 250 miles.

I just listened to an NPR segment this morning about an Oregon family from Lake Oswego that had to flee the wildfires. They were fleeing the fires in their electric vehicle and were very worried that they wouldn’t be able to make it to their destination in Washington state due to a diminished battery charge.

I guess that’s one downside of an electric vehicle - if you need to flee in an emergency and don’t have a full charge, you could end up in a dangerous situation.

No downside to Prius prime. We love ours.

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Anonymous wrote:Like any other vehicle, electric vehicles have their drawbacks. For example, until now they do not allow for long trips of several hundred kilometers and are intended mainly for movement within the same city. The time it takes to fully charge a modern electric vehicle can be an hour at best, but usually it takes several hours to charge a vehicle. Even a quick and partial charge requires at least 30 minutes. Electric cars are simply very expensive. Prices for an economy class model start at $ 20,000 or $ 30,000. Tesla Model S will cost the buyer 100 thousand. If you are really interested in this topic, then I advise you to visit various forums dedicated to electric vehicles like tesla.com, https://myev.online and so on. There, the guys discuss the problems they encountered during the operation of their electric vehicles.

Why do people bother to post when they clearly have no clue what they're talking about?

My Model 3 goes 325 miles on a charge...about 5 hours of highway driving. If I'm really low, I can take it back up to about 270 in 20 minutes, less if I'm on a newer V.3 charger.
Yes, if you routinely drive 12 hours straight, you'll save a little time with an ICE car, but since most of here drive with families, that's not really an issue.

Yeah, I also have a Model 3, and while charging does take a bit longer than gassing up, it really is a pretty negligible difference. Usually the charging stop is a welcome break anyway. In fact, there have been a few stops where I wished it took longer to charge because we went to a restaurant and weren't finished yet. (Superchargers charge you extra money if you're plugged in and not charging.)

My in-laws live in Vermont, and if I leave my house fully charged I can get there with only one 30 minute charging stop. That's a 15 minute difference from a gas car on a 7 hour trip - barely noticeable.

Anonymous wrote:Like any other vehicle, electric vehicles have their drawbacks. For example, until now they do not allow for long trips of several hundred kilometers and are intended mainly for movement within the same city. The time it takes to fully charge a modern electric vehicle can be an hour at best, but usually it takes several hours to charge a vehicle. Even a quick and partial charge requires at least 30 minutes. Electric cars are simply very expensive. Prices for an economy class model start at $ 20,000 or $ 30,000. Tesla Model S will cost the buyer 100 thousand. If you are really interested in this topic, then I advise you to visit various forums dedicated to electric vehicles like tesla.com, https://myev.online and so on. There, the guys discuss the problems they encountered during the operation of their electric vehicles.

Why do people bother to post when they clearly have no clue what they're talking about?

My Model 3 goes 325 miles on a charge...about 5 hours of highway driving. If I'm really low, I can take it back up to about 270 in 20 minutes, less if I'm on a newer V.3 charger.
Yes, if you routinely drive 12 hours straight, you'll save a little time with an ICE car, but since most of here drive with families, that's not really an issue.

Anonymous wrote:I'm thinking of buying a 2009 Prius with A LOT of mileage - 189,000 on it. We'd solely use it as a commuter car. It's in good condition and has been well-maintained?

Is there any particular downside to buying a Prius that old compared to a regular vehicle?

I'd do it. Even if you had to replace the battery-I googled it and looks like the battery is around $1100 and then some labor. I'd save that in not buying as much gas in less than an year, and that is with low gas prices-if gas went up it would pay off faster.

Where I live, used Prius are HOT and sell immediately.

Also, don’t forget that DC doesn’t charge sales tax on EVs. First year tag also absurdly cheap.

Anonymous wrote:Like any other vehicle, electric vehicles have their drawbacks. For example, until now they do not allow for long trips of several hundred kilometers and are intended mainly for movement within the same city. The time it takes to fully charge a modern electric vehicle can be an hour at best, but usually it takes several hours to charge a vehicle. Even a quick and partial charge requires at least 30 minutes. Electric cars are simply very expensive. Prices for an economy class model start at $ 20,000 or $ 30,000. Tesla Model S will cost the buyer 100 thousand. If you are really interested in this topic, then I advise you to visit various forums dedicated to electric vehicles like tesla.com, https://myev.online and so on. There, the guys discuss the problems they encountered during the operation of their electric vehicles.

A used i3 with the range extender can be easily had for (often significantly) under $20k, with a CPO warranty. Fast charging usually gets you to 80% from empty in 30 minutes. Level 1 (just a regular 110 outlet) does the job overnight. For long trips (I’ve driven to Florida from DC and bought it in Boston and drove it down) can be done by kicking in the gas scooter motor to keep the battery charged if you don’t want to stop for a pee and a snack while you fast charge. Plus, it’s really fun to drive.

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Anonymous wrote:Like any other vehicle, electric vehicles have their drawbacks. For example, until now they do not allow for long trips of several hundred kilometers and are intended mainly for movement within the same city. The time it takes to fully charge a modern electric vehicle can be an hour at best, but usually it takes several hours to charge a vehicle. Even a quick and partial charge requires at least 30 minutes. Electric cars are simply very expensive. Prices for an economy class model start at $ 20,000 or $ 30,000. Tesla Model S will cost the buyer 100 thousand. If you are really interested in this topic, then I advise you to visit various forums dedicated to electric vehicles like tesla.com, https://myev.online and so on. There, the guys discuss the problems they encountered during the operation of their electric vehicles.

I've been thinking for a very long time about buying an electric car, but because of your post, now I don't know if it's worth it or not. Perhaps you should just buy a regular car?

Do you own an EV? This is just not true. We just bought our third Tesla, a Model Y. We had the first year Model X, and yes, at that time they took a longer time to charge and didn't have the range they do now. We traded it in and now have a new Model 3 as well as the Y. It takes 15 minutes to fully charge at a Tesla supercharger, which is a game-changer for road trips. At home we just plug it in at night (every few days or so - depending on how much we drive that day) and it is fully charged in the morning. Our 3 and Y take half the amount of time to charge at home than the older X did. You are correct that Teslas are not cheap. BUT - they are virtually maintenance free because there are no mechanical things to break down. In the four years we had our Model X, we changed the tires on it and once during a bad rain/wind storm, the windshield wipers broke (luckily I was almost home!). The best part - Tesla service came to our house the next day to fix them. For the money, you can't beat the Model 3 which is why you're seeing so many of them on the road now.

And it goes without saying - they are a dream to drive - we will never own another make of car.

Anonymous wrote:Like any other vehicle, electric vehicles have their drawbacks. For example, until now they do not allow for long trips of several hundred kilometers and are intended mainly for movement within the same city. The time it takes to fully charge a modern electric vehicle can be an hour at best, but usually it takes several hours to charge a vehicle. Even a quick and partial charge requires at least 30 minutes. Electric cars are simply very expensive. Prices for an economy class model start at $ 20,000 or $ 30,000. Tesla Model S will cost the buyer 100 thousand. If you are really interested in this topic, then I advise you to visit various forums dedicated to electric vehicles like tesla.com, https://myev.online and so on. There, the guys discuss the problems they encountered during the operation of their electric vehicles.

I've been thinking for a very long time about buying an electric car, but because of your post, now I don't know if it's worth it or not. Perhaps you should just buy a regular car?

Like any other vehicle, electric vehicles have their drawbacks. For example, until now they do not allow for long trips of several hundred kilometers and are intended mainly for movement within the same city. The time it takes to fully charge a modern electric vehicle can be an hour at best, but usually it takes several hours to charge a vehicle. Even a quick and partial charge requires at least 30 minutes. Electric cars are simply very expensive. Prices for an economy class model start at $ 20,000 or $ 30,000. Tesla Model S will cost the buyer 100 thousand. If you are really interested in this topic, then I advise you to visit various forums dedicated to electric vehicles like tesla.com, https://myev.online and so on. There, the guys discuss the problems they encountered during the operation of their electric vehicles.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm thinking of buying a 2009 Prius with A LOT of mileage - 189,000 on it. We'd solely use it as a commuter car. It's in good condition and has been well-maintained?

Is there any particular downside to buying a Prius that old compared to a regular vehicle?

Not really. We just sold our 2006. I only sold it because a back panel was coming off. We loved that car. We had replaced the big battery. We had about 5 people offer
us stacks of hundred dollar bills to buy the car unsolicited. I believe we sold it for $3000. We probably could have got more.

I'd find out when the big battery was changed.

We now have a 2020 EV prius.

The Prius like any Toyota and Honda is a workhorse vehicle and is in demand.

I'm the PP. I'd find out when the big battery was changed. We had to change ours at around 106,000 miles. The newer big batteries last a lot longer.

https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/news/2011/02/the-200-000-mile-question-how-does-the-toyota-prius-hold-up/index.htm
https://www.torquenews.com/1083/how-make-toyota-prius-hybrid-battery-last-past-350000-miles

I believe the newer prius batteries get 150,000 - 200,000 miles on them but you should confirm that.

Anonymous wrote:I'm thinking of buying a 2009 Prius with A LOT of mileage - 189,000 on it. We'd solely use it as a commuter car. It's in good condition and has been well-maintained?

Is there any particular downside to buying a Prius that old compared to a regular vehicle?

Not really. We just sold our 2006. I only sold it because a back panel was coming off. We loved that car. We had replaced the big battery. We had about 5 people offer
us stacks of hundred dollar bills to buy the car unsolicited. I believe we sold it for $3000. We probably could have got more.

I'd find out when the big battery was changed.

We now have a 2020 EV prius.

The Prius like any Toyota and Honda is a workhorse vehicle and is in demand.