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Anonymous wrote:What about having the equivalent of orderlies from mental hospitals? There are people trained to handle (even strong) people who aren't in their right mind? Help him get help without injuring him.

This is what defund police wants. They want cops responding to less calls like this, or a lose dog, or a cat up a tree, or a teenager off his medication and trained individuals handling these things.

What is so radical about that?

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Anonymous wrote:What about having the equivalent of orderlies from mental hospitals? There are people trained to handle (even strong) people who aren't in their right mind? Help him get help without injuring him.

This is what defund police wants. They want cops responding to less calls like this, or a lose dog, or a cat up a tree, or a teenager off his medication and trained individuals handling these things.

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Anonymous wrote:Lessons learned:

In the future, officers will simply allow people in that state to continue wandering around incoherently, and clear the scene after the first response.

Next time they will simply determine he was conscious, breathing, and not currently endangering anyone, and leave.

Then the person will continue doing whatever they are doing, until/if they harm someone, at which point the police will come back and arrest him.

The burden of hands-off policing will be carried by the community in the future. Not cops.

First cop was attempting to be a good guy. He got punished anyway, just for being there. Think he didn’t learn something from that? Think he’ll try reasoning with a member of the public next time in a similar encounter? Nope. He’ll make an evaluation like above - conscious, breathing, not endangering anyone at the moment- and clear the scene, leaving that psychotic person free-range in the community. Let them deal with whatever happens. He’ll come back later to make a report.

Agree. That guy met the criteria for danger to self and others. In addition he was agitated, out in public, clearly psychotic/ drugged out and the neighbors called the police. He was clearly not responsible for his actions and could have turned violent at any moment. Taser doesn’t seem right. But neither does having the police and ambulance wait hours for his drug high to wear off or mental state to improve.

I got $5 says they'd have waited all day and into the night if it was white boy Bobby wandering around tripping off a bad fix.

Anonymous wrote:What about having the equivalent of orderlies from mental hospitals? There are people trained to handle (even strong) people who aren't in their right mind? Help him get help without injuring him.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lessons learned:

In the future, officers will simply allow people in that state to continue wandering around incoherently, and clear the scene after the first response.

Next time they will simply determine he was conscious, breathing, and not currently endangering anyone, and leave.

Then the person will continue doing whatever they are doing, until/if they harm someone, at which point the police will come back and arrest him.

The burden of hands-off policing will be carried by the community in the future. Not cops.

First cop was attempting to be a good guy. He got punished anyway, just for being there. Think he didn’t learn something from that? Think he’ll try reasoning with a member of the public next time in a similar encounter? Nope. He’ll make an evaluation like above - conscious, breathing, not endangering anyone at the moment- and clear the scene, leaving that psychotic person free-range in the community. Let them deal with whatever happens. He’ll come back later to make a report.

Agree. That guy met the criteria for danger to self and others. In addition he was agitated, out in public, clearly psychotic/ drugged out and the neighbors called the police. He was clearly not responsible for his actions and could have turned violent at any moment. Taser doesn’t seem right. But neither does having the police and ambulance wait hours for his drug high to wear off or mental state to improve.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lessons learned:

In the future, officers will simply allow people in that state to continue wandering around incoherently, and clear the scene after the first response.

Next time they will simply determine he was conscious, breathing, and not currently endangering anyone, and leave.

Then the person will continue doing whatever they are doing, until/if they harm someone, at which point the police will come back and arrest him.

The burden of hands-off policing will be carried by the community in the future. Not cops.

First cop was attempting to be a good guy. He got punished anyway, just for being there. Think he didn’t learn something from that? Think he’ll try reasoning with a member of the public next time in a similar encounter? Nope. He’ll make an evaluation like above - conscious, breathing, not endangering anyone at the moment- and clear the scene, leaving that psychotic person free-range in the community. Let them deal with whatever happens. He’ll come back later to make a report.

Agree. That guy met the criteria for danger to self and others. In addition he was agitated, out in public, clearly psychotic/ drugged out and the neighbors called the police. He was clearly not responsible for his actions and could have turned violent at any moment. Taser doesn’t seem right. But neither does having the police and ambulance wait hours for his drug high to wear off or mental state to improve.

I got $5 says they'd have waited all day and into the night if it was white boy Bobby wandering around tripping off a bad fix.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lessons learned:

In the future, officers will simply allow people in that state to continue wandering around incoherently, and clear the scene after the first response.

Next time they will simply determine he was conscious, breathing, and not currently endangering anyone, and leave.

Then the person will continue doing whatever they are doing, until/if they harm someone, at which point the police will come back and arrest him.

The burden of hands-off policing will be carried by the community in the future. Not cops.

First cop was attempting to be a good guy. He got punished anyway, just for being there. Think he didn’t learn something from that? Think he’ll try reasoning with a member of the public next time in a similar encounter? Nope. He’ll make an evaluation like above - conscious, breathing, not endangering anyone at the moment- and clear the scene, leaving that psychotic person free-range in the community. Let them deal with whatever happens. He’ll come back later to make a report.

Agree. That guy met the criteria for danger to self and others. In addition he was agitated, out in public, clearly psychotic/ drugged out and the neighbors called the police. He was clearly not responsible for his actions and could have turned violent at any moment. Taser doesn’t seem right. But neither does having the police and ambulance wait hours for his drug high to wear off or mental state to improve.

Anonymous wrote:Lessons learned:

In the future, officers will simply allow people in that state to continue wandering around incoherently, and clear the scene after the first response.

Next time they will simply determine he was conscious, breathing, and not currently endangering anyone, and leave.

Then the person will continue doing whatever they are doing, until/if they harm someone, at which point the police will come back and arrest him.

The burden of hands-off policing will be carried by the community in the future. Not cops.

First cop was attempting to be a good guy. He got punished anyway, just for being there. Think he didn’t learn something from that? Think he’ll try reasoning with a member of the public next time in a similar encounter? Nope. He’ll make an evaluation like above - conscious, breathing, not endangering anyone at the moment- and clear the scene, leaving that psychotic person free-range in the community. Let them deal with whatever happens. He’ll come back later to make a report.

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Anonymous wrote:There was no way that man was coherent enough to get in the car and go peacefully. It will be interesting to see what his background is

Drugs I bet

Duh...he was rambling about needing detox.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out that he was in the midst of some drug induced psychosis, but that doesn't warrant walking up and tasing him without provocation.
If he was white you know damn well that cop would have made at least some effort to talk to guy and calm him down and work with the EMT's to get him some help.

No, I don't think so. White or not, he was determined to get an outcome in a timely manner. Other officers had already been trying to reason the suspect into the ambulance. How long do you want to tie up the police and paramedics with a situation like this? Hours?

So now we're just tasing people to save police officers' time? Yes, I would rather see a police officer tied up for hours than see a person whose only crime was being high or mentally ill in public subjected to cruel and dangerous use of force. That's not even a hard question.

And the EMTs? How long do they to spend doing this? When another call comes in? They just abandon this person in the street? If you think defunding police will give them even more time to deal with problems, you are seriously confused. Public budgets are already stretched thin unless you happen to be a public school.

Don't subject someone to violence because dealing with them is taking a long time. Period. This isn't a controversial or complicated moral question.

Are you willing to pay for the overtime and additional officers? That guy wasn't going to get into the van.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was no way that man was coherent enough to get in the car and go peacefully. It will be interesting to see what his background is

Drugs I bet

Duh...he was rambling about needing detox.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out that he was in the midst of some drug induced psychosis, but that doesn't warrant walking up and tasing him without provocation.
If he was white you know damn well that cop would have made at least some effort to talk to guy and calm him down and work with the EMT's to get him some help.

No, I don't think so. White or not, he was determined to get an outcome in a timely manner. Other officers had already been trying to reason the suspect into the ambulance. How long do you want to tie up the police and paramedics with a situation like this? Hours?

So now we're just tasing people to save police officers' time? Yes, I would rather see a police officer tied up for hours than see a person whose only crime was being high or mentally ill in public subjected to cruel and dangerous use of force. That's not even a hard question.

And the EMTs? How long do they to spend doing this? When another call comes in? They just abandon this person in the street? If you think defunding police will give them even more time to deal with problems, you are seriously confused. Public budgets are already stretched thin unless you happen to be a public school.

Don't subject someone to violence because dealing with them is taking a long time. Period. This isn't a controversial or complicated moral question.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was no way that man was coherent enough to get in the car and go peacefully. It will be interesting to see what his background is

Drugs I bet

Duh...he was rambling about needing detox.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out that he was in the midst of some drug induced psychosis, but that doesn't warrant walking up and tasing him without provocation.
If he was white you know damn well that cop would have made at least some effort to talk to guy and calm him down and work with the EMT's to get him some help.

No, I don't think so. White or not, he was determined to get an outcome in a timely manner. Other officers had already been trying to reason the suspect into the ambulance. How long do you want to tie up the police and paramedics with a situation like this? Hours?

So now we're just tasing people to save police officers' time? Yes, I would rather see a police officer tied up for hours than see a person whose only crime was being high or mentally ill in public subjected to cruel and dangerous use of force. That's not even a hard question.

And the EMTs? How long do they to spend doing this? When another call comes in? They just abandon this person in the street? If you think defunding police will give them even more time to deal with problems, you are seriously confused. Public budgets are already stretched thin unless you happen to be a public school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was no way that man was coherent enough to get in the car and go peacefully. It will be interesting to see what his background is

Drugs I bet

Duh...he was rambling about needing detox.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out that he was in the midst of some drug induced psychosis, but that doesn't warrant walking up and tasing him without provocation.
If he was white you know damn well that cop would have made at least some effort to talk to guy and calm him down and work with the EMT's to get him some help.

No, I don't think so. White or not, he was determined to get an outcome in a timely manner. Other officers had already been trying to reason the suspect into the ambulance. How long do you want to tie up the police and paramedics with a situation like this? Hours?

So now we're just tasing people to save police officers' time? Yes, I would rather see a police officer tied up for hours than see a person whose only crime was being high or mentally ill in public subjected to cruel and dangerous use of force. That's not even a hard question.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There was no way that man was coherent enough to get in the car and go peacefully. It will be interesting to see what his background is

Drugs I bet

Duh...he was rambling about needing detox.
Doesn't take a genius to figure out that he was in the midst of some drug induced psychosis, but that doesn't warrant walking up and tasing him without provocation.
If he was white you know damn well that cop would have made at least some effort to talk to guy and calm him down and work with the EMT's to get him some help.

No, I don't think so. White or not, he was determined to get an outcome in a timely manner. Other officers had already been trying to reason the suspect into the ambulance. How long do you want to tie up the police and paramedics with a situation like this? Hours?