Anonymous wrote:If it is inevitable that we all eventually get it, I at least don’t want to be an “early adopter.” There is still so much unknown about this disease. I prefer having the experiential knowledge and research about best treatments. For example, they now know positioning people prone is more helpful than ventilators. But they still don’t understand much about strokes in non-elderly adults or MIS-C in kids. No thanks.

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We know that even if you don't die, recovery can be very long and difficult. We know that the disease can cause serious damage to the lungs and heart, among other things. We don't know much about the medium- to long-term effects, including damage to the lungs, hearts, other organs, or the immune system. The longer it's been around, the more we learn. We also learn more about effective treatments and medications. If I'm going to get it, I'd rather get it when doctors and scientists have had the opportunity to observe and learn how best to manage it, and how to minimize or cope with the longer-term effects.

No, and here's why:

--The 1-3% chance of death.
--The high chance the suffering (feeling like you can't breath and taking months to recover).
--The moderate (1/8) chance of hospitalization. I don't want to put myself, my family, or even my coworkers though that. Plus it's $$$.
--The almost certain chance that I will spread it to someone, and that will lead to the death and suffering of many more people and their families.

You're basically lighting a match and walking away by not making your best effort to contain this thing. What your "best effort" is not going to be the same for everyone. But it's certainly not hoping you get it.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, as long as you are okay with disability or death that might have been prevented by new medicines, treatments, or vaccines.

We are all healthy and DH and I are under 50, so yes I am comfortable with the less than 1% chance of that happening to us.

It’s more than 1% for disability or lasts for damage.

Could you provide a link to this 1% for disability or I'm lasts for damage (which I'm assuming means lasting damage).

I haven't seen anything on this, and with this just a few months old, how can "lasting damage" be determined. But I'm sure your citation will explain it.

mermaidkitchen wrote:Yes! I hate winter funerals.

I think it is environmentally friendly to cremate instead of bury. Also, hard to dig up frozen Earth.

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Anonymous wrote:They have not proven immunity after recovering. Why would you want to go through this if it doesn't prevent future infection?

+ People are not recovering without damage to internal organs. I don't want anyone to get it.

Now you’re just making sh!t up.

That’s what the doom and gloomed do most of the time, they just rarely get called on it.

Hmmm...lets see. I am called doom and gloom while I am - healthy, fit with a job, working remotely, kids are teens and do not need childcare, kids are learning online, we are great cooks, we have financial cushion and security, we have a home with a yard, we have lots of insurance, we do not have debt, we can afford to stay indoors for 2-3 years, our SFH house is paid off, I have home security and I have access to best medical care

My situation is not doom and gloom. The people who are accusing me are the ones in a doom and gloom situation and are desperate for others to go back to business as usual, so that they can survive. I get it.

If we take away economic desperation that is triggering the "open up" and "its NBD" and "Its like flu" rhetoric and assume that every one has enough money and food to be ok - then it is a bad disease and no one should get it.

But, if you are starving then you have no choice but to go for it.

Anonymous wrote:Nope.

This. I don’t want to get it at all. It may be light but what if we get complications? I’d rather be careful and not get it at least till there is vaccine or more established treatment protocol in place.

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Anonymous wrote:They have not proven immunity after recovering. Why would you want to go through this if it doesn't prevent future infection?

+ People are not recovering without damage to internal organs. I don't want anyone to get it.

Now you’re just making sh!t up.

Two family members of a doctor friend I know who had it tested positive at the time but were asymptomatic, and now two months later have titres showing almost no antibodies. If you don't have a serious infection you may have been exposed but may not be immune to getting it again. This is what they are trying to figure out with all the scientific studies being done now (and over the summer). Maybe wait until we learn more before lowering your guard.

To put it another way -- the way we get vaccines, if you have paid attention to how your kids get them, is sometimes a series of shots over a two or three years because one exposure does not confer immunity. Or at least does not provide complete immunity -- it's like 50%, then 80%, then 98% (in theory) by the time you get the last shot.

On the flip side, multiple exposures to a pathogen at once, especially if it is contagious like COVID, can increase your chance not just of getting it but of the severity of symptoms.

So, getting sick this summer might not make you immune, but getting exposed to lots of asymptomatic people could make you really sick. Wait for a vaccine and a vaccination schedule to go out without a mask.

Yes! I hate winter funerals.

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Anonymous wrote:They have not proven immunity after recovering. Why would you want to go through this if it doesn't prevent future infection?

+ People are not recovering without damage to internal organs. I don't want anyone to get it.

Now you’re just making sh!t up.

Two family members of a doctor friend I know who had it tested positive at the time but were asymptomatic, and now two months later have titres showing almost no antibodies. If you don't have a serious infection you may have been exposed but may not be immune to getting it again. This is what they are trying to figure out with all the scientific studies being done now (and over the summer). Maybe wait until we learn more before lowering your guard.

To put it another way -- the way we get vaccines, if you have paid attention to how your kids get them, is sometimes a series of shots over a two or three years because one exposure does not confer immunity. Or at least does not provide complete immunity -- it's like 50%, then 80%, then 98% (in theory) by the time you get the last shot.

On the flip side, multiple exposures to a pathogen at once, especially if it is contagious like COVID, can increase your chance not just of getting it but of the severity of symptoms.

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Anonymous wrote:They have not proven immunity after recovering. Why would you want to go through this if it doesn't prevent future infection?

+ People are not recovering without damage to internal organs. I don't want anyone to get it.

Now you’re just making sh!t up.

Two family members of a doctor friend I know who had it tested positive at the time but were asymptomatic, and now two months later have titres showing almost no antibodies. If you don't have a serious infection you may have been exposed but may not be immune to getting it again. This is what they are trying to figure out with all the scientific studies being done now (and over the summer). Maybe wait until we learn more before lowering your guard.

I had the same sentiment as OP back in early March, but now it seems clear that it's best to put off getting it as long as possible both to flatten to curve and to wait until there's more knowledge and skill related to treating it.

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Anonymous wrote:They have not proven immunity after recovering. Why would you want to go through this if it doesn't prevent future infection?

+ People are not recovering without damage to internal organs. I don't want anyone to get it.

Now you’re just making sh!t up.

That’s what the doom and gloomed do most of the time, they just rarely get called on it.

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Anonymous wrote:This thing is mainly a concern for old people and fat people. Just go about your life normally OP, and if you get it fine. NBD.

Hey guys glad you found the thread! Got to earn those propo paychecks!

Nope. Just the truth. Let me guess: you’re old and/or fat?

Nope, but I love how you have just given up being persuasive and are just trying to bully people.

Do you get paid per post?

So just a loon then? Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, as long as you are okay with disability or death that might have been prevented by new medicines, treatments, or vaccines.

We are all healthy and DH and I are under 50, so yes I am comfortable with the less than 1% chance of that happening to us.

Even so, your kids could get the Kawasaki-like syndrome.

Either way, getting COVID doesn’t sound like summer fun. I’d rather my kids have as low stress and most enjoyable summer safely possible. If we get COVID, we’ll have no responsible option, but to stay at home for at least two weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:They have not proven immunity after recovering. Why would you want to go through this if it doesn't prevent future infection?

+ People are not recovering without damage to internal organs. I don't want anyone to get it.

Now you’re just making sh!t up.

NP - try to keep up. This is why the focus on mortality rates alone is simplistic and wrong. There are too many unknowns with this virus to gamble with your health and the health of your family.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-10/coronavirus-infection-can-do-lasting-damage-to-the-heart-liver%3f_amp=true

How on earth does that article say 'people are not recovering without damage to internal organs!??! Answer: it doesn't, not even close. Stop fear mongering.

Read the article - in the context of liver damage, it states “In those who survived mild and severe disease alike, the researchers found that many of the biological measures had “failed to return to normal.” This is a sign of organ damage, perhaps permanent, perhaps not, the liver is a resilient organ. No one knows right now and no one has a good way of predicting who will suffer and who won’t. Your risk, your life - it’s really nothing to anyone other than yourself - but take your risks with full information.

Also from the article:
There are no long-term survivors of this wholly new disease: Even its first victims in China are little more than three months removed from their ordeal.

My neighbor with "moderate" COVID had a full workup and has zero liver issues.

His entire family, who never showed any symptoms despite being in isolation with him, also have zero liver issues.

It could happen... or not.