Anonymous
05/15/2020 13:20
Subject: Re:BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
No one is disputing that MLS will now be tier 1 for boys..
Just dont assume VDA and all ECNL programs will lose all their players. MLSYA can only take so many players and with only 1 academy in NOVA everyone will be running to ECNL to think they are still elite
Just dont assume VDA and all ECNL programs will lose all their players. MLSYA can only take so many players and with only 1 academy in NOVA everyone will be running to ECNL to think they are still elite
Anonymous
05/15/2020 12:31
Subject: Re:BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Statement 1. The Boys ECNL is now the clear 2nd tier option, both nationally and in this local area.
Statement 2. There are teams outside of both the MLS League and ECNL that are better than many ECNL teams.
Statement 3. There are players outside of both the MLS League and ECNL that are better than many ECNL players.
All three are true statements. In other words, the truth of statements 2 & 3 does not in any way detract from the truth of statement 1.
Similarly,
Statement 1. The EPL is at a higher level than League 1 (Fr), and a vastly higher level than MLS.
Statement 2. PSG is better than most of the teams in the EPL.
Statement 3. There are players in MLS that are better than many EPL players.
All three are true statements. The truth of statements 2 & 3 does not in any way detract from the truth of statement 1.
For example, the fact that star MLS players like Carlos Vela and Nocolas Lodiero would likely start for most mid-to-low table EPL teams doesn't change the fact that, on average, EPL players are vastly superior to MLS players, and the vast majority of MLS players would not make a roster in the Championship, let alone the EPL.
When we talk about the strength of a league and its players, we are talking about the average level, from top to bottom.
So, exceptions and outliers aside, the new MLS youth league is now the undisputed top level for boys youth soccer in the US, just as the Boys DA was before it folded. A year ago, it was debatable weather the ECNL was a clear 2nd. In this area, Loudoun's choice to leave DA and join ECNL (playing BRYC, McLean and a bunch of teams from the Carolinas), didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It seemed like the top level of EDP / USYS Nat League offered just as good if not better competition, with less travel. With the ECNL additions of Arlington, VDA, Richmond, Pipeline, .... things look a lot different now.
Perhaps, but what is the relevance of any of these statements? What is the point? Your league still says zero about your player, team or club. You can gloss over the other dogs in the M-A ECNL and hope to hitch yourself to clubs like Pipeline that are not playing in the M-A in making your points, but the bottom line is that Arlington, Richmond and VDA took a major step down by moving from DA (or MLS) to ECNL, will lose players, and are hanging with a bunch of teams that could not stay in or be at the top of CCL. Pipeline and Arlington would have been smart to play more locally, but I won't say their decision was wrong for them. At least Pipeline's competition in their ECNL boys division will be stronger. I think DA produced about 90% of men's division one players with the rest spread among the rest of clubs in the US. You are kidding yourself if you think that's gonna change. All the clubs are doing is insulating themselves from intense local competition and unflattering comparison. That is what this club-based system appears to excel at, whether CCL or ECNL. So you got that going for you if you're in the ECNL.
Anonymous
05/15/2020 12:17
Subject: Re:BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ECNL will be watered down with 2nd team while the top boys will be in MLS. So much for being a top league and you better hope this GA doesn't pick up momentum otherwise ECNL will be a thing of the past
There is only 3 clubs, 2 in MD and one in DC , in the whole region here doing MLS. Not every top player is looking to go into MLS. Seen lot good talent individual outside current MLS teams.
Agree. There will be talented teams in MLS, ECNL, other leagues as well. Here’s more than 1 “proven pathway” to college. But there were, and will be, plenty of parents that will get sucked into a team b/c it plays the “highest” level. Tell us how that works when there’s a roster of 30 kids. B/c bloated rosters happen all too frequently and your DS may never get more than 50% PT in a game, or worse, doesn’t dress for multiple games.
BaltArmour 16/17s had a roster of over 30 kids?!?! If a kid isn’t playing how are they getting into a college program? And more importantly how is a kid developing of they’re not playing? Sounds really fun...
http://balt.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=12071920
That's two teams. The U17 team + maybe one or two of the best U16 players play (or played) in the DA league. The rest of the U16s would have played in the DA-only league under the auspices of the EDP. Not yet clear how the MLS league will handle U16/U17 age group.
It's one team, a combined U16/U17 team. That is was the age group for DA, a combined 16&17 age group. 30+ kids on the roster is 30 kids+, several kids didn't play much at all, still paid their $3k++. The U16 SAC Prem Blue team was going to play in South Atlantic EDP Conferences this spring - was mostly U16s ('04s) that didn't make DA U16/U17 team; who pushed some SAC Prem Blue down to lower teams or to another club. There was no "DA only" league other than the U12 EDP "Developmental League."
MLS will have U13, U14, U15, U16, U17 and U18/19.
Anonymous
05/15/2020 11:45
Subject: BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The invitation to join the league was extended to all former DA Clubs. As a former DA Club, Arlington was invited to join the MLS league. They declined, for now. They said that, currently, ECNL is the only ESTABLISHED national league. MLS may get there, but there is too much uncertainty in this current environment to join up with a league that is brand new. They said that the door is open for Clubs that declined the initial invitation to join at a later date. All good, no drama.
ECNL for boys is worse than CCL.
Really? I'm an Arlington parent and I would have gone to MLS instead of ECNL, but of course no one asked me...
Yes. This annoyed me too. Why didn't they ask the parents or the kids what they wanted?
I think things will basically be OK because the DA director will work his butt off arragning games outside the regular schedule with MLS teams, ex DA teams, and the better ECNL teams from Maryland. But within the MA ECNL league at least half the games, maybe three quarters, will be a waste of time
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Anonymous
05/15/2020 11:38
Subject: BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.soccerwire.com/news/major-league-soccer-reveals-95-initial-member-clubs-for-new-youth-academy-league/
All this talk from ALL you parents and the only one accepted is a team from Baltimore HA! teams from NOVA right now must really be feeling hurt.
Umm DC United academy is a northern VA club that will play out of Loudon county.
Not sure that's true for the youth teams. It wasn't the plan before for the younger teams, although that may have changed now.
Anonymous
05/15/2020 11:30
Subject: Re:BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ECNL will be watered down with 2nd team while the top boys will be in MLS. So much for being a top league and you better hope this GA doesn't pick up momentum otherwise ECNL will be a thing of the past
There is only 3 clubs, 2 in MD and one in DC , in the whole region here doing MLS. Not every top player is looking to go into MLS. Seen lot good talent individual outside current MLS teams.
Agree. There will be talented teams in MLS, ECNL, other leagues as well. Here’s more than 1 “proven pathway” to college. But there were, and will be, plenty of parents that will get sucked into a team b/c it plays the “highest” level. Tell us how that works when there’s a roster of 30 kids. B/c bloated rosters happen all too frequently and your DS may never get more than 50% PT in a game, or worse, doesn’t dress for multiple games.
BaltArmour 16/17s had a roster of over 30 kids?!?! If a kid isn’t playing how are they getting into a college program? And more importantly how is a kid developing of they’re not playing? Sounds really fun...
http://balt.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=12071920
That's two teams. The U17 team + maybe one or two of the best U16 players play (or played) in the DA league. The rest of the U16s would have played in the DA-only league under the auspices of the EDP. Not yet clear how the MLS league will handle U16/U17 age group.
A look at how our local MLS option handled things is not promising. 30 players on the U16/U17 roster. http://dcut.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=12112440. No U16 team option. 28 on the U15 roster: http://dcut.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=12112440.
Anonymous
05/15/2020 11:22
Subject: Re:BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Statement 1. The Boys ECNL is now the clear 2nd tier option, both nationally and in this local area.
Statement 2. There are teams outside of both the MLS League and ECNL that are better than many ECNL teams.
Statement 3. There are players outside of both the MLS League and ECNL that are better than many ECNL players.
All three are true statements. In other words, the truth of statements 2 & 3 does not in any way detract from the truth of statement 1.
Similarly,
Statement 1. The EPL is at a higher level than League 1 (Fr), and a vastly higher level than MLS.
Statement 2. PSG is better than most of the teams in the EPL.
Statement 3. There are players in MLS that are better than many EPL players.
All three are true statements. The truth of statements 2 & 3 does not in any way detract from the truth of statement 1.
For example, the fact that star MLS players like Carlos Vela and Nocolas Lodiero would likely start for most mid-to-low table EPL teams doesn't change the fact that, on average, EPL players are vastly superior to MLS players, and the vast majority of MLS players would not make a roster in the Championship, let alone the EPL.
When we talk about the strength of a league and its players, we are talking about the average level, from top to bottom.
So, exceptions and outliers aside, the new MLS youth league is now the undisputed top level for boys youth soccer in the US, just as the Boys DA was before it folded. A year ago, it was debatable weather the ECNL was a clear 2nd. In this area, Loudoun's choice to leave DA and join ECNL (playing BRYC, McLean and a bunch of teams from the Carolinas), didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It seemed like the top level of EDP / USYS Nat League offered just as good if not better competition, with less travel. With the ECNL additions of Arlington, VDA, Richmond, Pipeline, .... things look a lot different now.
Statement 2. There are teams outside of both the MLS League and ECNL that are better than many ECNL teams.
Statement 3. There are players outside of both the MLS League and ECNL that are better than many ECNL players.
All three are true statements. In other words, the truth of statements 2 & 3 does not in any way detract from the truth of statement 1.
Similarly,
Statement 1. The EPL is at a higher level than League 1 (Fr), and a vastly higher level than MLS.
Statement 2. PSG is better than most of the teams in the EPL.
Statement 3. There are players in MLS that are better than many EPL players.
All three are true statements. The truth of statements 2 & 3 does not in any way detract from the truth of statement 1.
For example, the fact that star MLS players like Carlos Vela and Nocolas Lodiero would likely start for most mid-to-low table EPL teams doesn't change the fact that, on average, EPL players are vastly superior to MLS players, and the vast majority of MLS players would not make a roster in the Championship, let alone the EPL.
When we talk about the strength of a league and its players, we are talking about the average level, from top to bottom.
So, exceptions and outliers aside, the new MLS youth league is now the undisputed top level for boys youth soccer in the US, just as the Boys DA was before it folded. A year ago, it was debatable weather the ECNL was a clear 2nd. In this area, Loudoun's choice to leave DA and join ECNL (playing BRYC, McLean and a bunch of teams from the Carolinas), didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. It seemed like the top level of EDP / USYS Nat League offered just as good if not better competition, with less travel. With the ECNL additions of Arlington, VDA, Richmond, Pipeline, .... things look a lot different now.
Anonymous
05/15/2020 10:53
Subject: BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.soccerwire.com/news/major-league-soccer-reveals-95-initial-member-clubs-for-new-youth-academy-league/
All this talk from ALL you parents and the only one accepted is a team from Baltimore HA! teams from NOVA right now must really be feeling hurt.
Umm DC United academy is a northern VA club that will play out of Loudon county.
And your point is that they are in Northern VA but didn’t include any NOVA Clubs?
your an Idiot. DC is in the process of moving operations from DC to NOVA the United 1st team will only play their games in DC
When you call someone an idiot, please make sure you spell correctly, otherwise you are the one that looks like the true idiot. It’s “you’re” which is short for “you are”. “Your” means possession, or belonging to.
Looks can be deceiving and I'm sure you're somebody's idiot. So this is for your superior. Please have "your idiot" stop playing grammar police and take a geography course. DC United Academy will be a Northern Va team.
Anonymous
05/15/2020 10:38
Subject: Re:BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ECNL will be watered down with 2nd team while the top boys will be in MLS. So much for being a top league and you better hope this GA doesn't pick up momentum otherwise ECNL will be a thing of the past
There is only 3 clubs, 2 in MD and one in DC , in the whole region here doing MLS. Not every top player is looking to go into MLS. Seen lot good talent individual outside current MLS teams.
Agree. There will be talented teams in MLS, ECNL, other leagues as well. Here’s more than 1 “proven pathway” to college. But there were, and will be, plenty of parents that will get sucked into a team b/c it plays the “highest” level. Tell us how that works when there’s a roster of 30 kids. B/c bloated rosters happen all too frequently and your DS may never get more than 50% PT in a game, or worse, doesn’t dress for multiple games.
BaltArmour 16/17s had a roster of over 30 kids?!?! If a kid isn’t playing how are they getting into a college program? And more importantly how is a kid developing of they’re not playing? Sounds really fun...
http://balt.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=12071920
That's two teams. The U17 team + maybe one or two of the best U16 players play (or played) in the DA league. The rest of the U16s would have played in the DA-only league under the auspices of the EDP. Not yet clear how the MLS league will handle U16/U17 age group.
Anonymous
05/15/2020 07:46
Subject: BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The invitation to join the league was extended to all former DA Clubs. As a former DA Club, Arlington was invited to join the MLS league. They declined, for now. They said that, currently, ECNL is the only ESTABLISHED national league. MLS may get there, but there is too much uncertainty in this current environment to join up with a league that is brand new. They said that the door is open for Clubs that declined the initial invitation to join at a later date. All good, no drama.
ECNL for boys is worse than CCL.
+1
Anonymous
05/15/2020 07:16
Subject: BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.soccerwire.com/news/major-league-soccer-reveals-95-initial-member-clubs-for-new-youth-academy-league/
All this talk from ALL you parents and the only one accepted is a team from Baltimore HA! teams from NOVA right now must really be feeling hurt.
Umm DC United academy is a northern VA club that will play out of Loudon county.
And your point is that they are in Northern VA but didn’t include any NOVA Clubs?
your an Idiot. DC is in the process of moving operations from DC to NOVA the United 1st team will only play their games in DC
When you call someone an idiot, please make sure you spell correctly, otherwise you are the one that looks like the true idiot. It’s “you’re” which is short for “you are”. “Your” means possession, or belonging to.
The period goes inside the quotes Dr. English.
Dumb ass. It’s two different sentences. BTW, “it’s” is short for “it is”.
Thanks Dr. English. Just helping you out for when you offer to correct a poster's punctuation. The period in both of your responses should have been placed inside the quotation marks as such: "it is." No need to thank me.
Holy smokes.....please learn to properly use quotations. The quote is to highlight the word, it’s not quoting what someone said. I can tell English is not your native tongue. Please go juggle a ball and leave English to adult US citizens.
DP here. You are an embarrassment to educated Americans. The period goes iside the quotation marks. It doesn't matter whether you are highlighting a specific word or quoting what someone said. https://www.grammar.com/periods-with-quotation-marks/
Also, when referring to two or more of something, use the plural "there are" rather than the singular "it is."
Finally, "dumbass" is one word. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dumbass
Back to soccer, ... with the influx of all these former DA teams, boys ECNL is now the clear cut second tier league in the nation. CCL looks even more irrelevant now.
Your punctuation is better than your soccer acumen. Stop the nonsense about leagues. Your son, team and club aren't any better because of what ECNL clubs are doing in other parts of the country. And in this area, only Arlington is a top level boys club across ages. There are better boys teams across age groups in CCL and in EDP than McLean, BRYC, Loudoun and VDA/VSA/PWSI. That doesn't mean ECNL is bad, or that Arlington made a bad decision. It just means you're wrong.
Anonymous
05/15/2020 07:05
Subject: BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:[/bAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.soccerwire.com/news/major-league-soccer-reveals-95-initial-member-clubs-for-new-youth-academy-league/
All this talk from ALL you parents and the only one accepted is a team from Baltimore HA! teams from NOVA right now must really be feeling hurt.
Umm DC United academy is a northern VA club that will play out of Loudon county.
And your point is that they are in Northern VA but didn’t include any NOVA Clubs?
your an Idiot. DC is in the process of moving operations from DC to NOVA the United 1st team will only play their games in DC
When you call someone an idiot, please make sure you spell correctly, otherwise you are the one that looks like the true idiot. It’s “you’re” which is short for “you are”. “Your” means possession, or belonging to.
The period goes inside the quotes Dr. English.
[b]Dumb ass. It’s two different sentences. BTW, “it’s” is short for “it is”.
Thanks Dr. English. Just helping you out for when you offer to correct a poster's punctuation. The period in both of your responses should have been placed inside the quotation marks as such: "it is." No need to thank me.
Holy smokes.....please learn to properly use quotations. The quote is to highlight the word, it’s not quoting what someone said. I can tell English is not your native tongue. Please go juggle a ball and leave English to adult US citizens.
DP here. You are an embarrassment to educated Americans. The period goes iside the quotation marks. It doesn't matter whether you are highlighting a specific word or quoting what someone said. https://www.grammar.com/periods-with-quotation-marks/
Also, when referring to two or more of something, use the plural "there are" rather than the singular "it is."
Finally, "dumbass" is one word. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dumbass
Back to soccer, ... with the influx of all these former DA teams, boys ECNL is now the clear cut second tier league in the nation. CCL looks even more irrelevant now.
At this point we can't be sure there is a clear cut "second" tier league, can we? We don't know the rules, structure or format of MLS, at all. My guess is that once all that is established we can start reading the tea leaves. But, locally, there have been several players that didn't play DA and ended up in D1 for school. Additionally, there were a fair amount of players for DA clubs that started out at other clubs and developed and then moved to DA their last year or two of club soccer. Often after they'd received their offer (many wanted t play HS, some even joined after SR year HS season).
Anonymous
05/15/2020 06:25
Subject: BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.soccerwire.com/news/major-league-soccer-reveals-95-initial-member-clubs-for-new-youth-academy-league/
All this talk from ALL you parents and the only one accepted is a team from Baltimore HA! teams from NOVA right now must really be feeling hurt.
Umm DC United academy is a northern VA club that will play out of Loudon county.
And your point is that they are in Northern VA but didn’t include any NOVA Clubs?
your an Idiot. DC is in the process of moving operations from DC to NOVA the United 1st team will only play their games in DC
When you call someone an idiot, please make sure you spell correctly, otherwise you are the one that looks like the true idiot. It’s “you’re” which is short for “you are”. “Your” means possession, or belonging to.
The period goes inside the quotes Dr. English.
Dumb ass. It’s two different sentences. BTW, “it’s” is short for “it is”.
Thanks Dr. English. Just helping you out for when you offer to correct a poster's punctuation. The period in both of your responses should have been placed inside the quotation marks as such: "it is." No need to thank me.
Holy smokes.....please learn to properly use quotations. The quote is to highlight the word, it’s not quoting what someone said. I can tell English is not your native tongue. Please go juggle a ball and leave English to adult US citizens.
DP here. You are an embarrassment to educated Americans. The period goes iside the quotation marks. It doesn't matter whether you are highlighting a specific word or quoting what someone said. https://www.grammar.com/periods-with-quotation-marks/
Also, when referring to two or more of something, use the plural "there are" rather than the singular "it is."
Finally, "dumbass" is one word. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dumbass
Back to soccer, ... with the influx of all these former DA teams, boys ECNL is now the clear cut second tier league in the nation. CCL looks even more irrelevant now.
Anonymous
05/15/2020 02:54
Subject: BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.soccerwire.com/news/major-league-soccer-reveals-95-initial-member-clubs-for-new-youth-academy-league/
All this talk from ALL you parents and the only one accepted is a team from Baltimore HA! teams from NOVA right now must really be feeling hurt.
Umm DC United academy is a northern VA club that will play out of Loudon county.
And your point is that they are in Northern VA but didn’t include any NOVA Clubs?
your an Idiot. DC is in the process of moving operations from DC to NOVA the United 1st team will only play their games in DC
When you call someone an idiot, please make sure you spell correctly, otherwise you are the one that looks like the true idiot. It’s “you’re” which is short for “you are”. “Your” means possession, or belonging to.
The period goes inside the quotes Dr. English.
Dumb ass. It’s two different sentences. BTW, “it’s” is short for “it is”.
Thanks Dr. English. Just helping you out for when you offer to correct a poster's punctuation. The period in both of your responses should have been placed inside the quotation marks as such: "it is." No need to thank me.
Holy smokes.....please learn to properly use quotations. The quote is to highlight the word, it’s not quoting what someone said. I can tell English is not your native tongue. Please go juggle a ball and leave English to adult US citizens.
Anonymous
05/14/2020 21:43
Subject: BA only local club to be accepted to MLSYA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.soccerwire.com/news/major-league-soccer-reveals-95-initial-member-clubs-for-new-youth-academy-league/
All this talk from ALL you parents and the only one accepted is a team from Baltimore HA! teams from NOVA right now must really be feeling hurt.
Umm DC United academy is a northern VA club that will play out of Loudon county.
And your point is that they are in Northern VA but didn’t include any NOVA Clubs?
your an Idiot. DC is in the process of moving operations from DC to NOVA the United 1st team will only play their games in DC
When you call someone an idiot, please make sure you spell correctly, otherwise you are the one that looks like the true idiot. It’s “you’re” which is short for “you are”. “Your” means possession, or belonging to.
The period goes inside the quotes Dr. English.
Dumb ass. It’s two different sentences. BTW, “it’s” is short for “it is”.
Thanks Dr. English. Just helping you out for when you offer to correct a poster's punctuation. The period in both of your responses should have been placed inside the quotation marks as such: "it is." No need to thank me.