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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of talking to people who say they are social distancing but went to Home Depot 3 times in the last 2 days for plants or went to three stores today trying to find yeast. Hold your ground OP. Every little bit counts.

Especially when they say, "OMG I've developed a low grade fever and a cough and I've been strictly socially distancing. We've only been to the grocery store twice a week."

Does your family eat? How exactly do you get food? Do you really think some stranger pawing the food in the grocery store is better? We are all doing the best we can. Get over yourself.

I think the point was that no one needs to be going to the store twice a week.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I’m sorry your neighbors are bad parents but please stand firm. A little girl from DS’s school as just diagnosed with COVID 19. Her parents were very “relaxed” about social distancing and accused everyone else of “catastrophizing”. The father has it, too.

Lots of people are going to get it. We are just trying to not all get it at once but it is expected and necessary that some people get it now - we are just spreading the infections over time.

I don't want to get it. Sorry. It looks horrible even for people who get it and never go to the hospital. I don't want to feel like hell for a couple of weeks and then spend the next couple of weeks regaining my strength. No thanks. Plus they think there are long lasting effects on various parts of the body.

Again, no thank you. I'm hoping not to get it.

+2. It’s an extremely painful illness. I don’t want to get it and I certainly don’t want my kids to get it. It’s certainly not necessary that some people get it now!

I am not saying anyone wants to get it but they were forecasting that over the next couple of years upwards of 50%+ of the population will get it. Right now, estimates suggest about 3-5% have gotten it. A lot more people will catch this over time, each time restrictions ease, there will be another segment of the population that gets it. A vaccine will help but it won't be a cure all and the chance they will get a rushed vaccine right the first time is pretty low. It will be helpful but won't end the circulation of the virus right away. The purpose of flattening the curve is not to reduce the overall infections over time but rather to reduce the number of people infected at any given time.

You realize that they're hoping to develop a treatment before half the population gets it, right? There's a difference between getting it when more is known and effective treatments are available and getting it now. But go ahead, get it now.

You don't seem to be disagreeing with PP. There's a difference between saying "I'm hoping not to get it" and "I'm hoping to get it down the road rather than now." One is not realistic and the other is.

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Anonymous wrote:If they are all staying inside and not going to stores or anything then I don’t see the big deal. Do you trust them? I take my kids to another county to see their cousins who I know for sure are social distancing. My sister is crazy and goes above and beyond so we all play together twice a week

Very few people are not going to stores.

Not in my neighborhood. Everyone gets food delivered and work from home. Walks, bikes, yes, but they are indoors.

NP. We have only gotten groceries delivered as well, no food take out, but I don't think we're that much safer than people who are going to stores. Someone is still touching our groceries, really multiple people are. So anyone who says they're totally isolated but is receiving packages of any kind (think Amazon deliveries) in my mind isn't totally isolated.

"... the probability of getting infected from a contaminated surface is not zero, but it is fairly low. That's because respiratory droplets would have to have landed on the exact spot on, say, a box of cereal that you are touching. And even then, you'd have to get enough residual virus on your hand to start an infection — and you'd have to transfer that virus to your face. Bottom line: If you follow good hand-hygiene practices — washing your hands after unpacking your groceries, before cooking and before eating — then, she says, your risk is probably "very, very low.""


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/12/832269202/no-you-dont-need-to-disinfect-your-groceries-but-here-s-to-shop-safely

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Anonymous wrote:No. I’m sorry your neighbors are bad parents but please stand firm. A little girl from DS’s school as just diagnosed with COVID 19. Her parents were very “relaxed” about social distancing and accused everyone else of “catastrophizing”. The father has it, too.

Lots of people are going to get it. We are just trying to not all get it at once but it is expected and necessary that some people get it now - we are just spreading the infections over time.

I don't want to get it. Sorry. It looks horrible even for people who get it and never go to the hospital. I don't want to feel like hell for a couple of weeks and then spend the next couple of weeks regaining my strength. No thanks. Plus they think there are long lasting effects on various parts of the body.

Again, no thank you. I'm hoping not to get it.

+2. It’s an extremely painful illness. I don’t want to get it and I certainly don’t want my kids to get it. It’s certainly not necessary that some people get it now!

I am not saying anyone wants to get it but they were forecasting that over the next couple of years upwards of 50%+ of the population will get it. Right now, estimates suggest about 3-5% have gotten it. A lot more people will catch this over time, each time restrictions ease, there will be another segment of the population that gets it. A vaccine will help but it won't be a cure all and the chance they will get a rushed vaccine right the first time is pretty low. It will be helpful but won't end the circulation of the virus right away. The purpose of flattening the curve is not to reduce the overall infections over time but rather to reduce the number of people infected at any given time.

You realize that they're hoping to develop a treatment before half the population gets it, right? There's a difference between getting it when more is known and effective treatments are available and getting it now. But go ahead, get it now.

Anonymous wrote:I have been on walks in my neighborhood and out once to do a curbside pick up- where I said my name and they put groceries in my trunk- in the last two and a half weeks. My kids go on walks, play in our driveway/yard, and only see other kids on Zoom. My husband goes to work but sees no one because only a handful of essential people go in. He picks up the take out twice a week and has been to the grocery store once in the past two weeks. It really surprises me how many people aren't doing this. Stay home should mean stay home.

Do you feel like you are doing a good job? I mean, when you get the groceries placed in your trunk, you realize that multiple people have touched them, right? And that the groceries made their way around the store with all the other people who were there. And your husband goes into an office with multiple other people, all of whom are otherwise coming into contact with multiple other people. Then you're getting takeout twice a week and again, it doesn't occur to you how many people have handled that food? And in addition to your curbside grocery, your husband is going to the store? I mean, do you really not see this? I'm not an alarmist and I understand that we taking calculated risks in our family (for example, we own horses, and we still have to go ride them so we do it when no one else is there and we sanitize everything the whole time, we are also getting grocery and package delivery), but I'm not acting like there is no risk to what we're doing. You seem to think you have no risk, which is shockingly inaccurate.

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Anonymous wrote:We have been getting together with one other family and my parents. Two of us have been going to stores (one from each family). We are all aware of the risk and willing to undertake it. For us the risk reduced social contact and support outweighs the virus risk. If anyone wasn't comfortable we would stop.

Unfortunately your decisions affect more than just the families involved. Person 1 picks up the virus despite being careful at the store. Before she has symptoms she gives it to someone in Family B who makes her 1 trip to the store also before anyone showed symptoms. Now it is spread to untold more people... I hope your parents do not live in a retirement community,

Yeah, I just don't get this. We all need social contact and support, and yet some of us are somehow surviving without hanging out with other families. How do you not appreciate that what you're doing affects more than just your family? And do you really not understand how horrible this virus can be even if you don't die? I don't understand the flippancy.

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Anonymous wrote:If they are all staying inside and not going to stores or anything then I don’t see the big deal. Do you trust them? I take my kids to another county to see their cousins who I know for sure are social distancing. My sister is crazy and goes above and beyond so we all play together twice a week

Very few people are not going to stores.

Not in my neighborhood. Everyone gets food delivered and work from home. Walks, bikes, yes, but they are indoors.

NP. We have only gotten groceries delivered as well, no food take out, but I don't think we're that much safer than people who are going to stores. Someone is still touching our groceries, really multiple people are. So anyone who says they're totally isolated but is receiving packages of any kind (think Amazon deliveries) in my mind isn't totally isolated.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of talking to people who say they are social distancing but went to Home Depot 3 times in the last 2 days for plants or went to three stores today trying to find yeast. Hold your ground OP. Every little bit counts.

Especially when they say, "OMG I've developed a low grade fever and a cough and I've been strictly socially distancing. We've only been to the grocery store twice a week."

Does your family eat? How exactly do you get food? Do you really think some stranger pawing the food in the grocery store is better? We are all doing the best we can. Get over yourself.

Yes food purchases are required...but exposure to other people expands exponential every time you go to a different place. Landscaping and a particular food item are not reasons to go to more stores. No one will starve without yeast. Many people are not doing the best they can.

So now our standard of living as Americans is "not starving." For how long? Oh, I know...

"Till there's a vaccine!"

Which could be years...or even never...fabulous.

Missing 1 ingredient is starving in your mind?

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Anonymous wrote:No. I’m sorry your neighbors are bad parents but please stand firm. A little girl from DS’s school as just diagnosed with COVID 19. Her parents were very “relaxed” about social distancing and accused everyone else of “catastrophizing”. The father has it, too.

Lots of people are going to get it. We are just trying to not all get it at once but it is expected and necessary that some people get it now - we are just spreading the infections over time.

I don't want to get it. Sorry. It looks horrible even for people who get it and never go to the hospital. I don't want to feel like hell for a couple of weeks and then spend the next couple of weeks regaining my strength. No thanks. Plus they think there are long lasting effects on various parts of the body.

Again, no thank you. I'm hoping not to get it.

I'm not getting into the whole neighborhood kid issue, but please understand that the odds are that you will be exposed no matter what we do. All evidence suggests that this virus isn't going away. Social distancing is NOT about eradication of the virus which only vaccination could achieve. It's about avoiding overwhelming the hospital system at one time and buying time for medical treatment research and advancements. I wish more people understood this because I'm concerned that when we do relax restrictions and people interact again, and inevitably some managed number of people will get sick (which the CDC understands and accepts will happen), that people will mistakenly think social distancing at this point in time was unnecessary or false advertising as eliminating risk.

+1. A vaccine won’t be here for a long time. When things reopen, many people will get sick and that’s expected.

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Anonymous wrote:I am tired of talking to people who say they are social distancing but went to Home Depot 3 times in the last 2 days for plants or went to three stores today trying to find yeast. Hold your ground OP. Every little bit counts.

Especially when they say, "OMG I've developed a low grade fever and a cough and I've been strictly socially distancing. We've only been to the grocery store twice a week."

Does your family eat? How exactly do you get food? Do you really think some stranger pawing the food in the grocery store is better? We are all doing the best we can. Get over yourself.

Yes food purchases are required...but exposure to other people expands exponential every time you go to a different place. Landscaping and a particular food item are not reasons to go to more stores. No one will starve without yeast. Many people are not doing the best they can.

So now our standard of living as Americans is "not starving." For how long? Oh, I know...

"Till there's a vaccine!"

Which could be years...or even never...fabulous.

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Anonymous wrote:I haven’t seen kids playing together in my neighborhood. If I did, I would be livid. If there’s a neighborhood group, I would report them to that, if not, contact 311.

So would I. They would do a drive by, pull over and talk to the parents. The towns around ours had started issuing tickets $300-500.

Our town would send a police officer over to ask questions in the early days, but stopped doing that when we realized it was unnecessary coronavirus exposure for an already busy police force.

Anonymous wrote:I haven’t seen kids playing together in my neighborhood. If I did, I would be livid. If there’s a neighborhood group, I would report them to that, if not, contact 311.

So would I. They would do a drive by, pull over and talk to the parents. The towns around ours had started issuing tickets $300-500.

Anonymous wrote:You can't expect other people to make your decisions and your parenting any easier.

+1. That was true before covid and it's true now.

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Anonymous wrote:If they are all staying inside and not going to stores or anything then I don’t see the big deal. Do you trust them? I take my kids to another county to see their cousins who I know for sure are social distancing. My sister is crazy and goes above and beyond so we all play together twice a week

Very few people are not going to stores.

Not in my neighborhood. Everyone gets food delivered and work from home. Walks, bikes, yes, but they are indoors.

Then they’re assholes for using up the delivery spots when many high-risk people can’t get a spot.

No, stores are hiring more delivery workers. We should all order groceries from home.

Feel free to apply for the job!

Or keep working with the job you already have and order groceries online.

You can't expect other people to make your decisions and your parenting any easier.