Anonymous wrote:Isn’t a math teacher supposed to teach the kids the math? If it’s not happening, why? Is there something wrong with how it’s being taught or the expectations? It’s not true that other professions don’t work extra. I’m an attorney and I’m asked to deliver x product (the equivalent for you would be teaching x concept). I work until it’s done, even if it means working weekends or staying late.

I feel your comparison is off; being asked to reteach a student that didn't put in the initial effort is like being asked to represent a client who no shows at a hearing AND ALSO doesn't pay you. Do you continue working for that client for free, especially when the client refuses to take your legal advice?

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t a math teacher supposed to teach the kids the math? If it’s not happening, why? Is there something wrong with how it’s being taught or the expectations? It’s not true that other professions don’t work extra. I’m an attorney and I’m asked to deliver x product (the equivalent for you would be teaching x concept). I work until it’s done, even if it means working weekends or staying late.

Learning cannot occur for many reasons. Many kid sizes don’t pay attention, fall asleep in class, spend ages in the bathroom, don’t come to school. They are robots who produce x when y is inputted. I will help kids after school if they ask for it, show up when they say they will and don’t waste time in class screwing around.

You are responding to me and I think your conditions for helping are perfectly reasonable. Are you the OP? Because I got the impression OP didn’t want to help even the struggling students who were trying hard. The reason why I’m wondering if It’s OP’s teaching that needs help is because she made it sound like it was a constant or big problem, not an occasional goof-off kid.

When you teach 125 kids it doesn’t take too many asking too stay after school to really eat up your time.

Also keep in mind, I can’t leave till their parent picks them up, so it’s not like a kid just stopping by for help with one problem.

Op, if this is a public school, kids take busses. If parents don’t come for a scheduled pick up, the kid is waiting in the office. If it’s a private, talk to your hos about kids not getting picked up. Still if for some reason a child isn’t picked up promptly means you need to have a discussion with the parents.

The busses leave after school. And besides I have a ton of work to do after school. Plus I want to get home to my own children. Sorry it’s unreasonable to think that teachers staying after to work with kids for free should just simply be part of the job.

Just say sure My rate is $100/hour.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in biglaw. This kind of attitude would basically be grounds for termination. And non lawyers in law firms aren’t making that much to offset.

Ok, so because your job is crappy, although highly paid, that means that teachers should be expected to devote all their waking hours to work?

Read. PP is referring to non-lawyer jobs in law firms. PP is saying that those jobs don’t make much more than teachers to offset the expectation of many more hours worked.

Newish teachers are often making $60,000/year and sometimes much more, working 10 or 11 months per year (so that annualizes closer to $70,000). Most people making that kind of money in the private sector have much higher expectations placed on them.

These complainer PPs remind me of a teacher poster in another thread who was talking about how she has to stay until 6pm sometimes. Lol

You don’t get it. She probably does a lot of work at home other than just staying at school till 6. The time a teacher spends at school, even if they work beyond contract hours is just a drop in the buck compared to the amount of time they put in.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t a math teacher supposed to teach the kids the math? If it’s not happening, why? Is there something wrong with how it’s being taught or the expectations? It’s not true that other professions don’t work extra. I’m an attorney and I’m asked to deliver x product (the equivalent for you would be teaching x concept). I work until it’s done, even if it means working weekends or staying late.

Learning cannot occur for many reasons. Many kid sizes don’t pay attention, fall asleep in class, spend ages in the bathroom, don’t come to school. They are robots who produce x when y is inputted. I will help kids after school if they ask for it, show up when they say they will and don’t waste time in class screwing around.

You are responding to me and I think your conditions for helping are perfectly reasonable. Are you the OP? Because I got the impression OP didn’t want to help even the struggling students who were trying hard. The reason why I’m wondering if It’s OP’s teaching that needs help is because she made it sound like it was a constant or big problem, not an occasional goof-off kid.

When you teach 125 kids it doesn’t take too many asking too stay after school to really eat up your time.

Also keep in mind, I can’t leave till their parent picks them up, so it’s not like a kid just stopping by for help with one problem.

Op, if this is a public school, kids take busses. If parents don’t come for a scheduled pick up, the kid is waiting in the office. If it’s a private, talk to your hos about kids not getting picked up. Still if for some reason a child isn’t picked up promptly means you need to have a discussion with the parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in biglaw. This kind of attitude would basically be grounds for termination. And non lawyers in law firms aren’t making that much to offset.

Ok, so because your job is crappy, although highly paid, that means that teachers should be expected to devote all their waking hours to work?

Read. PP is referring to non-lawyer jobs in law firms. PP is saying that those jobs don’t make much more than teachers to offset the expectation of many more hours worked.

Newish teachers are often making $60,000/year and sometimes much more, working 10 or 11 months per year (so that annualizes closer to $70,000). Most people making that kind of money in the private sector have much higher expectations placed on them.

These complainer PPs remind me of a teacher poster in another thread who was talking about how she has to stay until 6pm sometimes. Lol

Anonymous wrote:This is odd to me. When I taught school all teachers were available for a little while before and after school for extra help. Many of us had specific days and hours. That’s just part of the job. I was actually thrilled when a student took the initiative and came to me for help. Maybe teaching isn’t the career fit you, OP.

Well yeah, I guess you could say that “I’m available” to put in an extra 35 hours a week into work because I do it, but I desperately wish I did t have to.

Anonymous wrote:This is odd to me. When I taught school all teachers were available for a little while before and after school for extra help. Many of us had specific days and hours. That’s just part of the job. I was actually thrilled when a student took the initiative and came to me for help. Maybe teaching isn’t the career fit you, OP.

Says who? Why should that just be part of the job? We don’t ask other people including doctors or nurses to stay after office hours to meet with patients.

Anonymous wrote:This is odd to me. When I taught school all teachers were available for a little while before and after school for extra help. Many of us had specific days and hours. That’s just part of the job. I was actually thrilled when a student took the initiative and came to me for help. Maybe teaching isn’t the career fit you, OP.

Maybe you missed it where I said I do it, but am resentful of it. I have hours of work to do beyond my contract hours, I don’t want to add another few hours having to stay after school to work with students.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t a math teacher supposed to teach the kids the math? If it’s not happening, why? Is there something wrong with how it’s being taught or the expectations? It’s not true that other professions don’t work extra. I’m an attorney and I’m asked to deliver x product (the equivalent for you would be teaching x concept). I work until it’s done, even if it means working weekends or staying late.

Learning cannot occur for many reasons. Many kid sizes don’t pay attention, fall asleep in class, spend ages in the bathroom, don’t come to school. They are robots who produce x when y is inputted. I will help kids after school if they ask for it, show up when they say they will and don’t waste time in class screwing around.

You are responding to me and I think your conditions for helping are perfectly reasonable. Are you the OP? Because I got the impression OP didn’t want to help even the struggling students who were trying hard. The reason why I’m wondering if It’s OP’s teaching that needs help is because she made it sound like it was a constant or big problem, not an occasional goof-off kid.

When you teach 125 kids it doesn’t take too many asking too stay after school to really eat up your time.

Also keep in mind, I can’t leave till their parent picks them up, so it’s not like a kid just stopping by for help with one problem.

This is odd to me. When I taught school all teachers were available for a little while before and after school for extra help. Many of us had specific days and hours. That’s just part of the job. I was actually thrilled when a student took the initiative and came to me for help. Maybe teaching isn’t the career fit you, OP.

Anonymous wrote:I work in biglaw. This kind of attitude would basically be grounds for termination. And non lawyers in law firms aren’t making that much to offset.

Ok, so because your job is crappy, although highly paid, that means that teachers should be expected to devote all their waking hours to work?

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Anonymous wrote:Isn’t a math teacher supposed to teach the kids the math? If it’s not happening, why? Is there something wrong with how it’s being taught or the expectations? It’s not true that other professions don’t work extra. I’m an attorney and I’m asked to deliver x product (the equivalent for you would be teaching x concept). I work until it’s done, even if it means working weekends or staying late.

Learning cannot occur for many reasons. Many kid sizes don’t pay attention, fall asleep in class, spend ages in the bathroom, don’t come to school. They are robots who produce x when y is inputted. I will help kids after school if they ask for it, show up when they say they will and don’t waste time in class screwing around.

You are responding to me and I think your conditions for helping are perfectly reasonable. Are you the OP? Because I got the impression OP didn’t want to help even the struggling students who were trying hard. The reason why I’m wondering if It’s OP’s teaching that needs help is because she made it sound like it was a constant or big problem, not an occasional goof-off kid.

When you teach 125 kids it doesn’t take too many asking too stay after school to really eat up your time.

OP - learn to be an adult and say no. Or be a better teacher.

Anonymous wrote:I work in biglaw. This kind of attitude would basically be grounds for termination. And non lawyers in law firms aren’t making that much to offset.

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