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Anonymous wrote:I love these threads, because they're so effective at drawing out the "cyclists-can-do-no-wrong-/-laws-are-for-cars-not-bikes-/-but but but but-whatabout-cars" dolts, who will go to any ridiculous extreme to justify or deflect, whichever is necessary, anything negative associated with cyclists.


It's absurd. Because you'll literally NEVER hear of car driver defending another driver for blasting through a red light or driving aggressively. But literally EVERY TIME a cyclist is criticized, some yahoo will pipe up and try to justify whatever they did.

If Trump was smart, he'd start riding a bike. WABA would then go to war to defend him, lolz!!!!

Literally all the cyclist perspectives here were that cyclists should obey the law. Not one suggested cyclists should break the law. It’s the car drivers who are ridiculous spouting about how their 2 ton SUV is the same as a bike in terms of risk to pedestrians. You drive a giant hazard and need to realize that and act accordingly.

You can't even help with the whataboutism. It's like a gag reflex. You can't even control it, lolz!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:OP here now on a full size keyboard. This was on Macarthur on the MD side in Cabin John. I was stopped immediately behind the bus which had already turned its red lights on. Out of nowhere from behind me came a cyclist that passed me on the left and went into the opposing lane (where there were no cars because they had also stopped for the bus) and whipped back in front of the bus. I assume it was a man but it all happened so quickly. THe person was wearing lycra head to toe and had one of the thin racing bikes that becomes part of your body when you ride leaning side to side. It was just jaw-dropping. He was moving way too fast and would not have been able to stop if a kid had done something unpredictable.

Yes, the person should have stopped.

I live in this area. We have a large number of cyclists because of the multi-use path (used to be called a bike path) in DC, and the fact that the road has few intersections. There seem to be two types of cyclists here -- those that casual riders, or semi-frequent riders into work from the neighborhood, and a group that I like to call 'intense and entitled cyclists'. The second group is characterized by the affinity for breezing through 4 way stop signs (even with lots of traffic), riding on the double yellow in between traffic so as to make the light at the one-lane bridge, and generally acting as if the sound belongs to them (or should belong to them). I admit that the second group drives me nuts -- and that speeding past a bus with flashing yellow lights sounds totally like something they would do. (And yes, it does seem that this group more frequently dresses like they are training for the tour de france)

When a bicycle is using the roadway, they must follow the rules of the road (just like a car). That is the law.

And whether or not injuries sustained when being hit by a moving car are worse that those sustained when hit by or a moving bike are irrelevant. And just because somebody else did something worse than you, does not make what you did right.

Not quite. When a person on a bicycle is using the roadway, they must follow the rules of the road for bicyclists - just like drivers must follow the rules of the road for drivers. That is the law.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here now on a full size keyboard. This was on Macarthur on the MD side in Cabin John. I was stopped immediately behind the bus which had already turned its red lights on. Out of nowhere from behind me came a cyclist that passed me on the left and went into the opposing lane (where there were no cars because they had also stopped for the bus) and whipped back in front of the bus. I assume it was a man but it all happened so quickly. THe person was wearing lycra head to toe and had one of the thin racing bikes that becomes part of your body when you ride leaning side to side. It was just jaw-dropping. He was moving way too fast and would not have been able to stop if a kid had done something unpredictable.

Yes, the person should have stopped.

I live in this area. We have a large number of cyclists because of the multi-use path (used to be called a bike path) in DC, and the fact that the road has few intersections. There seem to be two types of cyclists here -- those that casual riders, or semi-frequent riders into work from the neighborhood, and a group that I like to call 'intense and entitled cyclists'. The second group is characterized by the affinity for breezing through 4 way stop signs (even with lots of traffic), riding on the double yellow in between traffic so as to make the light at the one-lane bridge, and generally acting as if the sound belongs to them (or should belong to them). I admit that the second group drives me nuts -- and that speeding past a bus with flashing yellow lights sounds totally like something they would do. (And yes, it does seem that this group more frequently dresses like they are training for the tour de france)

When a bicycle is using the roadway, they must follow the rules of the road (just like a car). That is the law.

And whether or not injuries sustained when being hit by a moving car are worse that those sustained when hit by or a moving bike are irrelevant. And just because somebody else did something worse than you, does not make what you did right.

Anonymous wrote:OP here now on a full size keyboard. This was on Macarthur on the MD side in Cabin John. I was stopped immediately behind the bus which had already turned its red lights on. Out of nowhere from behind me came a cyclist that passed me on the left and went into the opposing lane (where there were no cars because they had also stopped for the bus) and whipped back in front of the bus. I assume it was a man but it all happened so quickly. THe person was wearing lycra head to toe and had one of the thin racing bikes that becomes part of your body when you ride leaning side to side. It was just jaw-dropping. He was moving way too fast and would not have been able to stop if a kid had done something unpredictable.

Yes, the person should have stopped.

OP here now on a full size keyboard. This was on Macarthur on the MD side in Cabin John. I was stopped immediately behind the bus which had already turned its red lights on. Out of nowhere from behind me came a cyclist that passed me on the left and went into the opposing lane (where there were no cars because they had also stopped for the bus) and whipped back in front of the bus. I assume it was a man but it all happened so quickly. THe person was wearing lycra head to toe and had one of the thin racing bikes that becomes part of your body when you ride leaning side to side. It was just jaw-dropping. He was moving way too fast and would not have been able to stop if a kid had done something unpredictable.

Anonymous wrote:I hate it when cyclists riding think that they have the rights of pedestrians in crosswalks and come flying across, auto traffic notwithstanding. It happens a lot by the Lincoln Memorial and the Mall. If a rider dismounts, he is a pedestrian. Otherwise, vehicle rules apply and the rider must yield.

No, that's incorrect.

In DC, when a person is riding in the crosswalk, they have all of the rights and responsibilities of a pedestrian, except that bicyclists must yield the right-of-way to pedestrians (Section 1201.11). That is, a driver must yield to a bicyclist in the crosswalk just as a driver must yield to a pedestrian in a crosswalk.

Anonymous wrote:I hate it when cyclists riding think that they have the rights of pedestrians in crosswalks and come flying across, auto traffic notwithstanding. It happens a lot by the Lincoln Memorial and the Mall. If a rider dismounts, he is a pedestrian. Otherwise, vehicle rules apply and the rider must yield.

I don't think that is actually the law - a sidewalk rider is not always treated under the law as a vehicle - however when crossing in a ped crosswalk, they should ride at an appropriate pace - I think like a fast runner, max.

Anonymous wrote:Do red flashing school bus lights apply to cyclists? In traffic on MacArthur I just saw a speeding cyclist pass a school bus on the left while it was loading kids. An accident would have been as devastating as with a car for the kid. One more reason to hate them.

It also would have been devastating for the cyclist. And no, I don't mean emotionally - I mean physically. When cyclists hit peds, the cyclist goes down, and is often seriously hurt. That gives cyclists an extra incentive to be careful around peds that drivers do not generally have.

I hate it when cyclists riding think that they have the rights of pedestrians in crosswalks and come flying across, auto traffic notwithstanding. It happens a lot by the Lincoln Memorial and the Mall. If a rider dismounts, he is a pedestrian. Otherwise, vehicle rules apply and the rider must yield.

Anonymous wrote:I love these threads, because they're so effective at drawing out the "cyclists-can-do-no-wrong-/-laws-are-for-cars-not-bikes-/-but but but but-whatabout-cars" dolts, who will go to any ridiculous extreme to justify or deflect, whichever is necessary, anything negative associated with cyclists.


It's absurd. Because you'll literally NEVER hear of car driver defending another driver for blasting through a red light or driving aggressively. But literally EVERY TIME a cyclist is criticized, some yahoo will pipe up and try to justify whatever they did.

What you hear instead are how traffic cameras will take away our freedom, how lower speed limits are a "war on cars", how its wrong to ban talking on a cell phone while driving unless we also ban crying babies in cars, and how when a pedestrian is killed in a crash, they should have been wearing something more reflective or crossing in a different place.

Are y'all still talking about school buses?

I always assume that when riding in the road the stop sign on a school bus applies to me. So I stop.

I think it would be legal for a cyclist riding on the opposite sidewalk to proceed, but the places where I usually see a stopped school bus are all places I am riding in the road.

Anonymous wrote:I love these threads, because they're so effective at drawing out the "cyclists-can-do-no-wrong-/-laws-are-for-cars-not-bikes-/-but but but but-whatabout-cars" dolts, who will go to any ridiculous extreme to justify or deflect, whichever is necessary, anything negative associated with cyclists.


It's absurd. Because you'll literally NEVER hear of car driver defending another driver for blasting through a red light or driving aggressively. But literally EVERY TIME a cyclist is criticized, some yahoo will pipe up and try to justify whatever they did.

If Trump was smart, he'd start riding a bike. WABA would then go to war to defend him, lolz!!!!

Literally all the cyclist perspectives here were that cyclists should obey the law. Not one suggested cyclists should break the law. It’s the car drivers who are ridiculous spouting about how their 2 ton SUV is the same as a bike in terms of risk to pedestrians. You drive a giant hazard and need to realize that and act accordingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Do red flashing school bus lights apply to cyclists? In traffic on MacArthur I just saw a speeding cyclist pass a school bus on the left while it was loading kids. An accident would have been as devastating as with a car for the kid. One more reason to hate them.

No, it wouldn't have been.

But yes, when I'm on a bike, I stop for stopped school buses, just as I do when I'm driving.

I think OP needs a better understanding of physics and bodily injury.

People are killed by bicyclists every year and a child hit by a cyclist has a good chance of being severely injured.

Completely agree. Also, many more people are killed by car drivers every year and a child hit by a car has a much higher chance of being severely injured or killed.

Both are a risk, but it’s silly to say that bicyclists are a similar level of risk. By that logic, so are joggers.

Silly to conclude same level of risk, but that you for the opportunity to voice my loathing for entitled runners (especially in groups) who barrel down busy sidewalks where bikes and skateboards are (at least technically) banned.

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Anonymous wrote:I love these threads, because they're so effective at drawing out the "cyclists-can-do-no-wrong-/-laws-are-for-cars-not-bikes-/-but but but but-whatabout-cars" dolts, who will go to any ridiculous extreme to justify or deflect, whichever is necessary, anything negative associated with cyclists.

It's absurd. Because you'll literally NEVER hear of car driver defending another driver for blasting through a red light or driving aggressively. But literally EVERY TIME a cyclist is criticized, some yahoo will pipe up and try to justify whatever they did.

If Trump was smart, he'd start riding a bike. WABA would then go to war to defend him, lolz!!!!

I hate these threads, because they remind me that there are people out there, operating heavy machinery at high speeds, who hate me and wish me harm simply because I am trying to get from Here to There safely and legally on a bicycle.

Also, you hear people defending aggressive driving all the time, including in real life. I generally assume that the people who defend aggressive driving are themselves aggressive drivers.

Right.

On.

Cue.

I am a person. I have a job and a family. I ride my bike to go places. I don't break traffic laws, either when I'm driving, or when I'm riding my bike. All I want to do is get where I'm going without someone in a car hitting me. Your obsession with hating on bicyclists is scary.

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No.

The actual number is 7 NYC pedestrians struck and killed by people on bicycles in 2012-2019 (8 years), so less than 1 per year.

Citation please

https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2019/10/31/medical-examiner-pedestrian-hit-by-cyclist-died-from-complications/

How about an UNbiased source? Not one that's a cycling advocacy group?!?!

Do you also get gun statistics from the NRA?

You're welcome to get your own data from the from the NYC Department of Transportation to show that the data in this source is incorrect.