Anonymous wrote:Have your daughter run insurance quotes for these vehicles before she gets them. I know that the insurance for a Jeep Wrangler is very expensive for younger drivers, high end sports car expensive.

Anonymous wrote:Jeeps are the only brand where the entire range of models they offer gets black marks from Consumer Reports. Usually you'll see one dud model among a carmaker, but for Jeep it's every single model due to maintenance, reliability, and safety.

They are fun though, and there's a loyal following among their owners. Just the cars are basically junk.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

I'm not compensating for anything. I'm enjoying myself. I like driving up rocky/muddy trails in Virginia or Pennsylvania, and going camping way up high in the mountains at GWNF, in places that are too far up into the mountains to hike to with a campsite worth of gear. We bring our huge 18" reflector telescope and look at stars and galaxies and nebulae, stuff you can't see without being way up in the mountains above the valley fog and far from city lights.

Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean others don't - or shouldn't - enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like an unpleasant, joyless loser. Constantly casting aspersions on others and judging them. You not liking something is hardly a reliable barometer for normal people.

Well at the very least you are compensating for your families inability to pack in your own gear when you go car camping - our family hauls our own stuff on our back rather than patting ourselves on the back for bringing the ills of technology to the backcountry and there is really not much that is more unnecessary or wasteful than a gas guzzling SUV.

The worst intrusions you get in the back country in the US (though not in other countries where people have actual common sense about this stuff) is from fossil fuel jocks in their SUV's or ATV's tearing up the wilderness and bringing noise and pollution all while convincing themselves how progressive and outdoorsy they are because they have the machismo to press on the gas pedal.

No doubt you like it and think it is cool but it is destructive and wasteful. The only silver lining is virtually no one actually takes their Jeeps (or any other SUV's) off road though that just reinforces the stupidity and selfishness of people sitting in traffic on the beltway burning up fossil fuels in their vanity trucks.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

I'm not compensating for anything. I'm enjoying myself. I like driving up rocky/muddy trails in Virginia or Pennsylvania, and going camping way up high in the mountains at GWNF, in places that are too far up into the mountains to hike to with a campsite worth of gear. We bring our huge 18" reflector telescope and look at stars and galaxies and nebulae, stuff you can't see without being way up in the mountains above the valley fog and far from city lights.

Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean others don't - or shouldn't - enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like an unpleasant, joyless loser. Constantly casting aspersions on others and judging them. You not liking something is hardly a reliable barometer for normal people.

We do similar trips but we rent a 4WD since we don’t need it for our daily driver. Gas savings alone on our commute pays for rental.

Pretty sure OP DD isn’t camping in a national forest FYI. But enjoy them before they burn up I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

I'm not compensating for anything. I'm enjoying myself. I like driving up rocky/muddy trails in Virginia or Pennsylvania, and going camping way up high in the mountains at GWNF, in places that are too far up into the mountains to hike to with a campsite worth of gear. We bring our huge 18" reflector telescope and look at stars and galaxies and nebulae, stuff you can't see without being way up in the mountains above the valley fog and far from city lights.

Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean others don't - or shouldn't - enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like an unpleasant, joyless loser. Constantly casting aspersions on others and judging them. You not liking something is hardly a reliable barometer for normal people.

Well at the very least you are compensating for your families inability to pack in your own gear when you go car camping - our family hauls our own stuff on our back rather than patting ourselves on the back for bringing the ills of technology to the backcountry and there is really not much that is more unnecessary or wasteful than a gas guzzling SUV.

The worst intrusions you get in the back country in the US (though not in other countries where people have actual common sense about this stuff) is from fossil fuel jocks in their SUV's or ATV's tearing up the wilderness and bringing noise and pollution all while convincing themselves how progressive and outdoorsy they are because they have the machismo to press on the gas pedal.

No doubt you like it and think it is cool but it is destructive and wasteful. The only silver lining is virtually no one actually takes their Jeeps (or any other SUV's) off road though that just reinforces the stupidity and selfishness of people sitting in traffic on the beltway burning up fossil fuels in their vanity trucks.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

I'm not compensating for anything. I'm enjoying myself. I like driving up rocky/muddy trails in Virginia or Pennsylvania, and going camping way up high in the mountains at GWNF, in places that are too far up into the mountains to hike to with a campsite worth of gear. We bring our huge 18" reflector telescope and look at stars and galaxies and nebulae, stuff you can't see without being way up in the mountains above the valley fog and far from city lights.

Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean others don't - or shouldn't - enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like an unpleasant, joyless loser. Constantly casting aspersions on others and judging them. You not liking something is hardly a reliable barometer for normal people.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

I'm not compensating for anything. I'm enjoying myself. I like driving up rocky/muddy trails in Virginia or Pennsylvania, and going camping way up high in the mountains at GWNF, in places that are too far up into the mountains to hike to with a campsite worth of gear. We bring our huge 18" reflector telescope and look at stars and galaxies and nebulae, stuff you can't see without being way up in the mountains above the valley fog and far from city lights.

Just because you personally don't like it, doesn't mean others don't - or shouldn't - enjoy it.

Frankly, you sound like an unpleasant, joyless loser. Constantly casting aspersions on others and judging them. You not liking something is hardly a reliable barometer for normal people.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

Seriously. Almost no 4WD/AWD in the country ever are driven off road. They are purely vanity cars.

Why does anyone in this region need an AWD or a high clearance car? Maybe once every 3 or 4 years do we get enough snow where it is needed.

But hey lets look like a bunch of tools who can't resist slick marketing campaigns driving around in our gas guzzling steel boxes compensating for something while we kill our planet.

If that was my daughter I'd talk to her about the planet and having some common sense about what she needs rather than being insecure and thinking her self worth is tied up in what she drives.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If they are junk, then what would you recommend instead? Needs to be AWD and high off the ground. She does not like what I have recommended so far (RAV4 and Subaru Outback) although I think RAV4 might be the best choice.

Crosstrek is more youth friendly than an outback. Very safe and relatively inexpensive too. Comes in weird young people colors like baby blue and orange.

Anonymous wrote:Do you all own giant farms? Where do you drive your car off of the road? This is so strange.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If they are junk, then what would you recommend instead? Needs to be AWD and high off the ground. She does not like what I have recommended so far (RAV4 and Subaru Outback) although I think RAV4 might be the best choice.

I researched cars for my DD. We live in Los Angeles and to get to school, she has to traverse terrain that you would not expect in LA (going over a mountain and on some really windy roads with little-to-no shoulder (Sunset Blvd. and Mulholland Dr.)

She wanted a Jeep (Wrangler or Renegade). OP, please look at Consumer Reports on Jeep Safety. That car is shockingly dangerous.

The Toyota Highlander is always a good bet, but the "little sister" of the Highlander is the RAV4.

I had an older model Toyota Highlander (2007), but the newer models have gotten overly-big. We got her a 2017 RAV4--the RAVs have also gotten bigger, so now are the size of the original Highlanders.

It's a GREAT CAR, OP! We are so happy with it! I like it better than my Highlander, which I loved. Consumer Reports rates it very highly on performance and safety.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. If they are junk, then what would you recommend instead? Needs to be AWD and high off the ground. She does not like what I have recommended so far (RAV4 and Subaru Outback) although I think RAV4 might be the best choice.

I researched cars for my DD. We live in Los Angeles and to get to school, she has to traverse terrain that you would not expect in LA (going over a mountain and on some really windy roads with little-to-no shoulder (Sunset Blvd. and Mulholland Dr.)

She wanted a Jeep (Wrangler or Renegade). OP, please look at Consumer Reports on Jeep Safety. That car is shockingly dangerous.

The Toyota Highlander is always a good bet, but the "little sister" of the Highlander is the RAV4.

I had an older model Toyota Highlander (2007), but the newer models have gotten overly-big. We got her a 2017 RAV4--the RAVs have also gotten bigger, so now are the size of the original Highlanders.

It's a GREAT CAR, OP! We are so happy with it! I like it better than my Highlander, which I loved. Consumer Reports rates it very highly on performance and safety.

The new 2020 Wranglers get good safety ratings. Its shocking how little you know about it.

no they don't:

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/jeep/wrangler/34192

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/mercedes-benz/glc/21987

https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/toyota/rav4/35881