Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of bayonets...why would someone think they need this:



Or this:

"Heckler & Koch is proud to announce the US availability of the HK SP5, the only authentic sporting version of the legendary MP5 submachine gun available.

The SP5 was developed by HK as a semiautomatic, civilian sporting pistol that matches the look and feel of the legendary MP5 submachine gun."

There's no functional difference between that mp5 and an ar15 chambered in 9mm.

It just looks neat.

List price on the referenced SP5, a handgun (not a rifle or submachine gun), incapable of fully automatic fire, is $2,800. Not likely to be flooding the streets at that price.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and Just like that, liberties are slowly stripped away while the cost of enforcement continues to rise. I see the founding fathers rolling in their grave.

Don’t you dare presume to speak for the Framers. Unless you are part of a militia, you shouldn’t have any guns.

I am part of the militia. Jefferson describes the "militia" as "the whole of the people".


That's me. You too.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Gun nuts be crazy.

Well REGULATED militia. Not private unlimited arsenals. REGULATED.

You're showing your ignorance, I'm afraid. Look up the contextual definition and usage of the term "regulated" for the Colonial-era, and you'll find it has nothing to do with the current interpretation of the word.


#themoreyouknow

Well in the Colonial Era they also didn’t have guns capable of mowing down 20 persons. They were lucky if they could hit a deer at 30 feet.

Rifled muskets of the era were quite accurate, out to about 200 yards. Basically the equivalent effective range of most iron-sighted medium-powered rifles today, such as the AR15. Smoothbores less so, but they could reliably hit a man sized target at over a hundred yards.



They also didn't have the internet, television, radio or any manner of other modern methods of speech that you no doubt claim are covered under the first amendment, either.

So if modern firearms aren't protected, then neither is your freedom of speech, unless it's by quill pen or Towne Cryer.

Is that a road you wanna go down?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Gun nuts be crazy.

Well REGULATED militia. Not private unlimited arsenals. REGULATED.

You're showing your ignorance, I'm afraid. Look up the contextual definition and usage of the term "regulated" for the Colonial-era, and you'll find it has nothing to do with the current interpretation of the word.


#themoreyouknow

So we should abide by rules made for the Colonial era? With time comes progress and with progress comes revision of archaic and outdated rules.

The founders are ok with it.

Heck are you aware that piracy is allowed by the Constitution? Article 1, section 8, clause 11.

Plus you can own military aircraft? tanks, artillery, Gatling guns!

What about a neutron bomb?

When you can buy a neutron bomb at a gunshow, then we can talk about it. Until then, let's try and keep you from veering off into crazy-town, m'k?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of bayonets...why would someone think they need this:



Or this:

"Heckler & Koch is proud to announce the US availability of the HK SP5, the only authentic sporting version of the legendary MP5 submachine gun available.

The SP5 was developed by HK as a semiautomatic, civilian sporting pistol that matches the look and feel of the legendary MP5 submachine gun."

There's no functional difference between that mp5 and an ar15 chambered in 9mm.

It just looks neat.

So it’s just part of the cosplay?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Gun nuts be crazy.

Well REGULATED militia. Not private unlimited arsenals. REGULATED.

You're showing your ignorance, I'm afraid. Look up the contextual definition and usage of the term "regulated" for the Colonial-era, and you'll find it has nothing to do with the current interpretation of the word.


#themoreyouknow

Well in the Colonial Era they also didn’t have guns capable of mowing down 20 persons. They were lucky if they could hit a deer at 30 feet.

Anonymous wrote:Speaking of bayonets...why would someone think they need this:



Or this:

"Heckler & Koch is proud to announce the US availability of the HK SP5, the only authentic sporting version of the legendary MP5 submachine gun available.

The SP5 was developed by HK as a semiautomatic, civilian sporting pistol that matches the look and feel of the legendary MP5 submachine gun."

There's no functional difference between that mp5 and an ar15 chambered in 9mm.

It just looks neat.

Speaking of bayonets...why would someone think they need this:



Or this:

"Heckler & Koch is proud to announce the US availability of the HK SP5, the only authentic sporting version of the legendary MP5 submachine gun available.

The SP5 was developed by HK as a semiautomatic, civilian sporting pistol that matches the look and feel of the legendary MP5 submachine gun."

Anonymous wrote:Who designed the M-16? What was it originally called?

1. https://www.armalite.com/history/
"Army officials asked Armalite to develop a smaller version of the AR-10 in 1956 as a potential replacement for the M1 Garand. The ensuing rifle was called the AR-15." (and then it was sold to Colt)

2. https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-complete-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle
1961: Eugene Stoner Becomes a Consultant at Colt
At this time, Eugene Stoner leaves the ArmaLite company, taking a position as a consultant at Colt. Around the same time, the United States Airforce tests the AR-15, commissioning 8,500 for Air Force use.

1963: The M-16 is Born
With the AR-15 in the hands of the Air Force, a standard model of the rifle is born. They dub it the M-16, the most famous service weapon of the United States Military.

General Curtis LeMay saw a demonstration of the AR-15 in 1960. Impressed by the prowess of this new firearm, when General LeMay became the Air Force Chief of Staff in the Summer of 1961, he placed 80,000 AR-15's on order for the U.S. Air Force.

In 1961, ten AR-15's were sent to South Vietnam, as the United States continued to penetrate into the jungles of Indochina.

1989: Production of the First AR-15's for Civilians Begins
With the AR-15 patents long expired, Jim Glazier and Karl Lewis started manufacturing the first civilian versions of the AR-15. These opened AR-15's up to the civilian market from the year 1989 to 1994.

Believe it or not it was first sold as a hunting rifle, in 1963.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who designed the M-16? What was it originally called?

1. https://www.armalite.com/history/
"Army officials asked Armalite to develop a smaller version of the AR-10 in 1956 as a potential replacement for the M1 Garand. The ensuing rifle was called the AR-15." (and then it was sold to Colt)

2. https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-complete-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle
1961: Eugene Stoner Becomes a Consultant at Colt
At this time, Eugene Stoner leaves the ArmaLite company, taking a position as a consultant at Colt. Around the same time, the United States Airforce tests the AR-15, commissioning 8,500 for Air Force use.

1963: The M-16 is Born
With the AR-15 in the hands of the Air Force, a standard model of the rifle is born. They dub it the M-16, the most famous service weapon of the United States Military.

General Curtis LeMay saw a demonstration of the AR-15 in 1960. Impressed by the prowess of this new firearm, when General LeMay became the Air Force Chief of Staff in the Summer of 1961, he placed 80,000 AR-15's on order for the U.S. Air Force.

In 1961, ten AR-15's were sent to South Vietnam, as the United States continued to penetrate into the jungles of Indochina.

1989: Production of the First AR-15's for Civilians Begins
With the AR-15 patents long expired, Jim Glazier and Karl Lewis started manufacturing the first civilian versions of the AR-15. These opened AR-15's up to the civilian market from the year 1989 to 1994.

The rifle designed by Stoner and designated by Armalite as the AR-15 was a fully automatic, select fire, machine gun. The same gun when designated by the military remained a fully automatic, select fire, machine gun. The guns marketed to "civilians" as "AR-15's" are not, and never have been, fully automatic, select fire, or machine guns. Indeed, they are specifically designed to prevent conversion to automatic fire. Cosmetics and marketing nomenclature do not make a sporting rifle a military weapon.

Right. There were various design changes and name changes over the years.

The PP incorrectly stated that "the AR-15 is not a military weapon and has never been used as a military weapon by any military." The predecessor to the AR-15 (also called an AR-15) was designed as a military weapon and was used by the military. Only a few small design changes took it from automatic to semi-automatic, but still has the legacy (and name) of a military weapon.

Same as the Bushmaster ACR vs. Remington ACR. Close enough to give the military "cred" to rifles available to civilians.

Marketing civilian guns as "military-born, forged by the battlefield":
https://fnamerica.com/rifles/home-defense/

Military or civilian?



The fuzzy line between civilian vs. military models naming and marketing is intentional. If you have an issue with it, take it up with the gun manufacturers.

Anonymous wrote:Who designed the M-16? What was it originally called?

1. https://www.armalite.com/history/
"Army officials asked Armalite to develop a smaller version of the AR-10 in 1956 as a potential replacement for the M1 Garand. The ensuing rifle was called the AR-15." (and then it was sold to Colt)

2. https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-complete-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle
1961: Eugene Stoner Becomes a Consultant at Colt
At this time, Eugene Stoner leaves the ArmaLite company, taking a position as a consultant at Colt. Around the same time, the United States Airforce tests the AR-15, commissioning 8,500 for Air Force use.

1963: The M-16 is Born
With the AR-15 in the hands of the Air Force, a standard model of the rifle is born. They dub it the M-16, the most famous service weapon of the United States Military.

General Curtis LeMay saw a demonstration of the AR-15 in 1960. Impressed by the prowess of this new firearm, when General LeMay became the Air Force Chief of Staff in the Summer of 1961, he placed 80,000 AR-15's on order for the U.S. Air Force.

In 1961, ten AR-15's were sent to South Vietnam, as the United States continued to penetrate into the jungles of Indochina.

1989: Production of the First AR-15's for Civilians Begins
With the AR-15 patents long expired, Jim Glazier and Karl Lewis started manufacturing the first civilian versions of the AR-15. These opened AR-15's up to the civilian market from the year 1989 to 1994.

The rifle designed by Stoner and designated by Armalite as the AR-15 was a fully automatic, select fire, machine gun. The same gun when designated by the military remained a fully automatic, select fire, machine gun. The guns marketed to "civilians" as "AR-15's" are not, and never have been, fully automatic, select fire, or machine guns. Indeed, they are specifically designed to prevent conversion to automatic fire. Cosmetics and marketing nomenclature do not make a sporting rifle a military weapon.

Didn't James Madison write the bill of rights? His house is only about 1.5 hours away from DC and they have an entire constitutional center associated with the house. I'm sure they know the answers to these questions off the top of their head and can point to all the information that Madison used to draft the bill.

Who designed the M-16? What was it originally called?

1. https://www.armalite.com/history/
"Army officials asked Armalite to develop a smaller version of the AR-10 in 1956 as a potential replacement for the M1 Garand. The ensuing rifle was called the AR-15." (and then it was sold to Colt)

2. https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-complete-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle
1961: Eugene Stoner Becomes a Consultant at Colt
At this time, Eugene Stoner leaves the ArmaLite company, taking a position as a consultant at Colt. Around the same time, the United States Airforce tests the AR-15, commissioning 8,500 for Air Force use.

1963: The M-16 is Born
With the AR-15 in the hands of the Air Force, a standard model of the rifle is born. They dub it the M-16, the most famous service weapon of the United States Military.

General Curtis LeMay saw a demonstration of the AR-15 in 1960. Impressed by the prowess of this new firearm, when General LeMay became the Air Force Chief of Staff in the Summer of 1961, he placed 80,000 AR-15's on order for the U.S. Air Force.

In 1961, ten AR-15's were sent to South Vietnam, as the United States continued to penetrate into the jungles of Indochina.

1989: Production of the First AR-15's for Civilians Begins
With the AR-15 patents long expired, Jim Glazier and Karl Lewis started manufacturing the first civilian versions of the AR-15. These opened AR-15's up to the civilian market from the year 1989 to 1994.

I've read the postings and there are a few things that do pop up.

Yes, I believe that the vernacular used is important at it's time of conception. For example, a book written in the 20's would have a completely different flavor today if I was describing somebody as "A gay fellow" would it not?

With that said, well regulated was used to describe in good working order and militia were men ages 15-45. Today, the first seems to be regulations which many refer to military or police and the later militia is some fringe group.

Another one refers to times change and all that. Yes, but if you believe in that then mass communication, network news agencies, here, national peroidicals and so on shouldn't be protected by the first amendment and be liable for slander yes?

As for lacking vision about future arms, you may be surprised by looking things up like a Puckel gun and other inventions of their time.

For one commenter involving neutron bombs and other over the top systems, you may want to dial it back a little. Gattling guns are not a restricted item either. If you qualify to own firearms (state dependent) then you can own one. That simple. Try affording to fed it though. With that, machine guns, silencers, short barreled rifles and shotguns can be legally owned and purchased with the proper licenses and taxes, for most its a $200.00 tax stamp.

No, the AR-15 is not a military weapon and has never been used as a military weapon by any military. You're referring to an M-16 or it's variants. An AR-15 is a commercial rifle which is very common today in all types of firearm ventures.

No, the second amendment is not about hunting or shooting clays or any other social event. It is there to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical or overbearing government.

No, the chipping away of the bill of rights weather speech, your homes sanctuary, due process, and yes firearms also should be abhorred. I'm not a gun nut but I can appreciate the rights and freedoms that we as a nation have. I am the last person to say how somebody should live as I believe in the the pursuit of happiness and all that nor do I believe in mob rule.

Just my observations.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Gun nuts be crazy.

Well REGULATED militia. Not private unlimited arsenals. REGULATED.

You're showing your ignorance, I'm afraid. Look up the contextual definition and usage of the term "regulated" for the Colonial-era, and you'll find it has nothing to do with the current interpretation of the word.


#themoreyouknow

So we should abide by rules made for the Colonial era? With time comes progress and with progress comes revision of archaic and outdated rules.

The founders are ok with it.

Heck are you aware that piracy is allowed by the Constitution? Article 1, section 8, clause 11.

Plus you can own military aircraft? tanks, artillery, Gatling guns!

What about a neutron bomb?

If you're in the position to build one of your own, I don't think the government can do much about it.